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Why Adamas Slothead ????

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Standingovation
Posted 2003-06-26 12:03 PM (#207507)
Subject: Why Adamas Slothead ????



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There has been so much talk on these pages about the wonderful Adamas Slothead, but I've never seen the most obvious question addressed. WHY were the pre-tooling Adamas built as Slotheads and WHY was it changed to a flat peghead once they went into production ??? Dave
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willard
Posted 2003-06-26 12:17 PM (#207508 - in reply to #207507)
Subject: Re: Why Adamas Slothead ????


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It seems I remember something about the angle of the peghead to the neck and that the slotheads were not as strong. It might have been a dream but I thought it came up on the tour.
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alpep
Posted 2003-06-26 12:31 PM (#207509 - in reply to #207507)
Subject: Re: Why Adamas Slothead ????


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cwk mentioned the angle of the peghead related to the sound. I am not real sure why they decided on non slotheads for the production run
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Bluebird
Posted 2003-06-26 1:08 PM (#207510 - in reply to #207507)
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As I recall, cwk2 it was mentioned that the original slothead was considerably more labour intensive, sending the production costs through the roof and production numbers conversly into the basement, thus the new design.

Wayne
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Standingovation
Posted 2003-06-26 6:33 PM (#207511 - in reply to #207507)
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Wayne,

If I recall, I think the comment was that the hand carved wooden headstocks (on the flat peghead) were cost prohibitive, hence they went to the foam stick-on versions. But I don't think it was clear why the earlier change from slot to flat peghead (both hand carved wooden). And I don't think the headstock angle is any different between the two (both 7 degrees). The actualy string angle on a slotted one will be steeper, but I don't think that makes it more prone to breakage problems. Slotted headstocks are alive and well in many high end guitars (Ovation and others) and I'm just still curious why Ovation abandoned this for their flagship model at the time.

Dave
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2003-06-26 8:35 PM (#207512 - in reply to #207507)
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As I understand it the original slothead design was used by Chuck McDonough simply because it looked good. The fact that slotheads may be better from an acoustic standpoint was a side issue. The design was changed to a solid headstock becauase it's easier & cheaper to produce. Marcel Dadi owned a slothead which was obviously a later solid headstock design but adapted as a slothead. Hey, that gives me an idea...........
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samova
Posted 2003-06-26 9:20 PM (#207513 - in reply to #207507)
Subject: Re: Why Adamas Slothead ????


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Marcel had a couple of slotheads.One was areal one,the other was a modified slot head neck with a cutaway body..There may have been another in his collection..

http://www.ovationfanclub.com/gallery/_mar.jpg
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2003-06-26 10:15 PM (#207514 - in reply to #207507)
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Marcel had a number of Adamii, all of which I've seen, were slotheads. What was interesting was that many of them were cutaways and had non symetrical sound holes and epalets.

I have no doubt that Ovation would build whatever he wanted.
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Bluebird
Posted 2003-06-27 12:03 AM (#207515 - in reply to #207507)
Subject: Re: Why Adamas Slothead ????



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Hi Dave, this is a cut/past of the cwk2 post I refered to, which refered to a number of changes other than the headstock carving.

Wayne

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posted March 18, 2003 04:49 PM
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to correct a small point. The Slothead was not preproduction tooling. When we started them it was full steam ahead! However after a few months it becams clear that the costs were through the ceiling and there had to be some changes. So that's why production stopped and it was redesigned. It ran for about a year and was down for about a year. That's when the kbar came in and the different neck attachment and the foam scroll, a different design on the outside of the ring and all the rest.
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dubyatoo

The thread.
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Standingovation
Posted 2003-06-27 7:11 AM (#207516 - in reply to #207507)
Subject: Re: Why Adamas Slothead ????



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Did the original slotheads not have the k-bar?
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2003-06-27 7:32 AM (#207517 - in reply to #207507)
Subject: Re: Why Adamas Slothead ????


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I went back and read thru the threads on this and can now give you a highly intelligent and sophisticated response.....

Nope.
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Beal
Posted 2003-06-29 6:55 AM (#207518 - in reply to #207507)
Subject: Re: Why Adamas Slothead ????



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Paul T, in your 8:35 post you've got it spot on.

Paul M, you've detected it correctly as well, what ever Marcel wanted he got, in the beginning. Towards the end he didn't and it took alot longer to make the special orders...
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