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Location: SE Michigan | In response to Masotta's complaint, I have seen brand new Adamas models with the same open glue seam on the treble side of the finger board. It put me off buying a brand new CVT a couple months ago. I have seen better caulk jobs around bath-tubs. In my opinion it was not acceptable for a $1500 guitar. But I am also under the impression that this is considered normal on the Adamas. Forgive me for not having read all of Masotta's issues in previous threads, but I thought this was a public forum and people were allowed to speak there minds. Even if you disagree doesn't he still have a right to speak? |
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Location: Scotland | Brian, We have all seen defects in new guitars, regardless of manufacturer. The defect in the guitar is not the issue, nor is freedom of speech. The issue is simply this: Should a guitar manufacturer offer a warranty to anyone other than the original purchaser? Fender, Gibson, Martin, Taylor, Ovation & every other guitar maker on the planet have all made a number of dogs over the years. That, like it or not, is the nature of mass-production. If you asked any of them to put one right under the terms of their warranty without a sales receipt & a warranty card they'd rightly tell you to go screw yourself. However if you could prove you were the original owner they'd sort it. This fuckwit expects to have a guitar which he bought used & found out later didn't meet his expectations to be repaired by the factory free of charge. Now that I've brought you up to speed on the subject can we please let it go. I wasn't going to respond to these threads anymore Brian, but it seems you post first & read later. |
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Location: SoCal | Brian, the other point is that the "fuckwit" (good description), asked his question, got a ton of responses, non of which agreed with him, and then kept making the same point over and over again. Like a 4 year old who doesn't want to listen to anybody but just wants what he wants.
If you go back thru the archives, you'll find that there is very spirited discussion on this board. People don't agree. But the vast majority of posters are civil and polite. In over 2 years of this board, this is only the second or third time that somebody has just flat out pissed off the vast majority (in this case, that should read "everybody") of posters. This discussion has gone through several threads, not just this one. |
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Finally one person with an unbiased point of view! You !
THANKS for your kind words and common sense.
I wasn’t aware at all that this defect was/is common on ADAMAS guitars (as you said $1500+).
Do you think that a defect like this is not manufacturer responsibility after the first owner sells the guitar?
Just in case you didn’t read my previous postings I consider this defect is gonna be OVATION responsibility FOREVER !
Paul Templeman
Thanks you too, the second person accepting OVATION can let a guitar like mine go from the factory to the street w/o too much trouble.
Funny there is another thread saying that a FACTORY SECOND is a guitar that has not more than “cosmetic” flaws when guitars like mine are $1500+ “FACTORY FIRST”.
moody, p.i.
let me remind you that I didn’t insult anybody, I wasn’t rude, I wasn’t impolite etc etc.
And yes I’m gonna keep saying what I’ve said cos I consider it fair.
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by masotta:
Paul Templeman
Thanks you too, the second person accepting OVATION can let a guitar like mine go from the factory to the street w/o too much trouble.
Funny there is another saying that a FACTORY SECOND is a guitar that has not more than “cosmetic” flaws when guitars like mine are $1500+ “FACTORY FIRST”.
Thanks again
Pat[/QB]
Don't thank me Masotta, I am simply a realist who has many years experience in the music retail industry. The fact that you think I was suporting you in any way sickens me and is indicative of your crass stupidy & ignorance. You need medication and/or therapy. Just to clarify, the term "fuckwit" is not a compliment. I'm outta this one |
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Well Paul I considered you able to understand my sarcasm …
But I was wrong.
It’s amazing how people can get too exited and insult when somebody just thinks differently, most of you disagree with me but I didn’t insult anybody did I?
Could you please define fuckwit? :-)
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by masotta:
But I was wrong.
at least you're consistent.
Usually I would not enter into a battle of wits with an unarmed man but to answer your question, the definintion of Fuckwit is: Person whose wits are fucked, simple, intellectually challenged, rowing with one oar, torque-wrench short of a toolbox, ribeye short of a barbeque, too many games without a helmet, a moron. Is that enough fucking SARCASM for you? |
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Gottcha, then fuckwit is another insult. Cool, I've found really very interesting people in this board...
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Location: Scotland | No, if you read back through the posts it's not "another" insult, it was in fact my first to you, my other responses to were mostly factual, measured & reasonable, so you are, as always "WRONG!" again!
I'm finished. This guy is unbeleivable |
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Sorry Paul then fuckwit is just only your “first” insult to my person.
Anyway you’ll probably agree that you were not the only one here using the “insult” as a dialog resource…
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | This is a family oriented board, and as such hurling insults will not be tolerated and the offenders can consider themselves on notice. Continuation of this behavior will result in suspension of your account.
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