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Roger Waters' 12-string O on the block

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Standingovation
Posted 2004-06-22 2:51 PM (#184624 - in reply to #184599)
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$600. I'll have to post a pic with the black pickguard. Looks way better.
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Slap
Posted 2004-06-22 2:56 PM (#184625 - in reply to #184599)
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Dave

Sounds like a good deal...would like to see pic with black guard......how does it note?..sound?
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2004-06-22 3:03 PM (#184626 - in reply to #184599)
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So who was the unknown artist ?
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Standingovation
Posted 2004-06-22 3:25 PM (#184627 - in reply to #184599)
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I don't know, never heard of him. I think his name was "George Harrison" or "Harriman", or something like that. Maybe some of the younger members will have heard of him, but it didn't ring a bell with me.
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Bluebird
Posted 2004-06-22 4:23 PM (#184628 - in reply to #184599)
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Dave, the bridge plate number (not original to that guitar) is '67-'68 alright, but most of the guitar features make it look more like mid 50's, assuming it is more or less original. I would love to see more detailed pics to try to narrow it down.
Have you had it apart? There should be a date on the end of the neck, and even possibly under the bridge pickup. Were there any extra pickguard screws in the body when you changed guards?

Wayne
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Standingovation
Posted 2004-06-22 5:15 PM (#184629 - in reply to #184599)
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Wayne, The white pickguard (not sure if it was original, but it was on it when I bought the guitar) had 5 screw holes. When I took it off, there were just those 5 holes. But the new black pickguard has 8 holes, so I had to drill a few new ones. But while changing the pickguard I was surprised to notice that the body is routed for a 3rd pickup. I don't remember seeing any dates under the pickguard or pickup area. I'll check the end of the neck sometime as you suggest. For all I know this guitar could be built out of a mish-mosh of old parts. But it seems to play well and sounds fine, although not that I would really know. It didn't come with any case, so I bought a cheap aftermarket hardshell but it's not nearly as nice as a real Fender case.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2004-06-22 5:25 PM (#184630 - in reply to #184599)
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'' I think his name was "George Harrison" or "Harriman", or something like that. ''

I assume that was joke.
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Standingovation
Posted 2004-06-22 5:40 PM (#184631 - in reply to #184599)
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No, no joke. I just don't remember. It wasn't all that clear. It looked like it was signed in black Sharpie marker, but it turned somewhat light-grey on the white body of the guitar. The "George" was pretty clear. Last name could have been "Harrmon", but no I think for sure it was "Harrison". I'll do a search on CD-NOW. Maybe someone's name will pop up and it'll all make sense - assuming the guy even had a CD. You never know, he could have just been some local guy.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2004-06-22 5:55 PM (#184632 - in reply to #184599)
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Well assuming you really are not joking I would guess you washed away about 6 - 10K worth of ink.
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Standingovation
Posted 2004-06-22 6:16 PM (#184633 - in reply to #184599)
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Well, I still have the rag. Maybe I could at least get a few hundred for the "Rag that wiped George Harrison's autograph off of a Telecaster". Geezuz Miles, I was just having a little fun with you. Did you think the Phoenix heat fried my brain or something? 107 today.
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Bluebird
Posted 2004-06-22 6:23 PM (#184634 - in reply to #184599)
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"...about 6 - 10K worth of ink..."


Looks like ya got a live one there, Dave! :)

What ever it is, if it's got that old Tele sound and vibe, you got a good deal. Would like to see the end of that neck though. If what you say about the pickguard screws is correct, then it is definately a 50's Fender or non-Fender (unlikely) body.

Moody PI, what you say about the old bridge plates being made up in batches of 5000 at a time is correct. However, they were distributed among the entire Fender electric line so were used up fairly quickly. Therefore, while numbering was not strictly sequential, it dates old Fenders down to a couple of years and can then be narrowed down further by looking at some other details.

I do love my old '53, it's the one that everything else (electric) gets compared to. Can't imagine ever getting rid of that unless someone were to wisper "slothead" or somesuch into my ear!

Wayne
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2004-06-22 11:28 PM (#184635 - in reply to #184599)
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"I was just having a little fun with you. Did you think the Phoenix heat fried my brain or something?"

I kinda figured, but I talk to enough younger musicians that don't know who half the people are we talk about here.... actually I don't know half the people who are mentioned here, so the thought of someone not knowing George Harrison seems pretty plausable to me. If it ever comes up, where you are talking to someone under 25 that knows George Harrison's name, ask what band he was with. I would guess unless they are into that music, Beatles will not be mentioned. You'll be lucky if Tom Petty and the Traveling Pilsbury's are mentioned.
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