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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-01-07 7:22 PM (#167043)
Subject: Sound hole Comparison


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It's Friday night. I am home alone. What else would I do but, calculate the area of the Ovation 22 sound hole design and compare it to a standard 4 inch hole

The answer-
22 sound hole area is almost precisely 12 sq in.
4 in sound hole area is a hair over 12.5 sq in.

I would have guessed that there was more area in the 22 holes.

(let the hole comparisons begin...)
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MWoody
Posted 2005-01-07 8:08 PM (#167044 - in reply to #167043)
Subject: Re: Sound hole Comparison



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Brought this up before! there is a theory and some physics behind it as well. I just say that the multi-holed guitars swish the sound around a little more before they spit it out.
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cruster
Posted 2005-01-07 8:11 PM (#167045 - in reply to #167043)
Subject: Re: Sound hole Comparison


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I thought it was that the sound waves had a harder time getting out of all those tiny little holes so they got all mad and agitated and just sounded louder than you'd expect when they finally burst forth.

Interesting about the area...I figured it was the same as a soundhole, just all divided up. Do you think the Tacoma with the offset teardrop soundhole was building on Ovation's innovation or is it just a design thing?
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-01-07 8:35 PM (#167046 - in reply to #167043)
Subject: Re: Sound hole Comparison


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I just dug this out from Oct 2002 from CWK2:

--------------------The area of the holes is supposed to be the same as the area of the centre round hole, although I've never done the math. Sam's with the mini rosettes came later, an idea that didn't make it into production.

I also read through the reasoning for the design...less bracing required...the upper bout tends to contribute less vibration (read sound) so the holes make for a more responsive soundboard moved from the center of the soundboard...etc
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MWoody
Posted 2005-01-07 8:51 PM (#167047 - in reply to #167043)
Subject: Re: Sound hole Comparison



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My second favorite guitars are the Tacomas with the single upper bout soundhole. It's just the right thing to do!
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45flint
Posted 2005-01-07 9:10 PM (#167048 - in reply to #167043)
Subject: Re: Sound hole Comparison


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When you have time to calculate the areas of that many small holes, I think you need to start looking at your life choices.

"And though the holes were rather small, they had to count them all"

Steve
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-01-07 9:27 PM (#167049 - in reply to #167043)
Subject: Re: Sound hole Comparison


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Steve,
As if I didn't already know that...
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cruster
Posted 2005-01-07 9:30 PM (#167050 - in reply to #167043)
Subject: Re: Sound hole Comparison


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Originally posted by MWoody:
My second favorite guitars are the Tacomas with the single upper bout soundhole. It's just the right thing to do!


When I first decided to get an AE, the only reason I was in the music store was because they said they had a Tacoma Chief (I believe that's the one with the funky soundhole). They didn't...they only had the bass. But, they did have this really cool 1868 that caught my eye...

:)

edited for typohs
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2005-01-08 8:44 AM (#167051 - in reply to #167043)
Subject: Re: Sound hole Comparison


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Some of the physics involved is known as the Helmholtz principle. The purpose of a soundhole (or soundholes) is to tune the resonant frequency of the air cavity, kinda like a bass-port in a loudspeaker enclosure. Plug the soundhole with a feedback buster or set of airlocks and the volume level hardly changes at all, but the bass response diminishes significantly.
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Standingovation
Posted 2005-01-08 8:52 AM (#167052 - in reply to #167043)
Subject: Re: Sound hole Comparison



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Paul, If you plug ALL the holes doesn't the volume drop drastically because the cavity is basically "sealed" and thus inhibits the top from vibrating? Interesting experiment would be how the PLUGGED in sound compares with no holes plugged vs. all holes plugged.

Another thing comes to mind - is there any reason the sound hole(s) has to be on the soundboard for the guitar (front of guitar)? I'm wondering because it is a "bass port" like you say, could the hole be located someplace on the side of the bowl?
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2005-01-08 9:14 AM (#167053 - in reply to #167043)
Subject: Re: Sound hole Comparison


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There are several guitars that I've read about that have a bass port on the side of the guitar. Can't recall the names...
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sixfingers
Posted 2005-01-08 9:40 AM (#167054 - in reply to #167043)
Subject: Re: Sound hole Comparison


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Paul is correct...sound holes are more for tuning the resonant freq. The top is a speaker cone and taking the hole out of the center is threefold..strengthens the top, places the vibrations more focused since there is all solid top with no interuptions in the bridge area where the vibrations originate. It also as someone said allows for lighter bracing....which allows greater resonance.
Click this link for a picture.

My Tacoma Custom
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2005-01-08 4:23 PM (#167055 - in reply to #167043)
Subject: Re: Sound hole Comparison


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Dave there is no reason why the soundhole has to be in the top. I guess most manufacturers are following centuries of convention. Several Luthiers, mostly classical guitar makers have used single or multiple ports in various locations on the rims & at least one maker has made a side-located port with a variable-size opening via a sliding-door contrapion.

Plugging the soundhole(s) has no effect whatsoever on the efficiecy of the top as a vibrating membrane, and consequently has minimal effect on the overall SPL.

You can experiment with a "bowl soundhole" by taking the access panel of an Adamas or Elite. Not recommened!
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-01-09 1:37 PM (#167056 - in reply to #167043)
Subject: Re: Sound hole Comparison


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If you just tap the top of your guitar in different areas on the soundboard you can hear different responses.

I wonder how the epaulets effect the vibration of the soundboard. I
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