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Jim D
Posted 2005-01-26 7:42 PM (#165495)
Subject: 2 shims out, perfect action!


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Location: Peoria, Illinois
I had a chance to work with my new 1861 Balladeer tonight. Thanks to the fine information I have been reading here, I was ready to remove a shim or two to lower the action. I found 3 shims in place after removing the saddle, and took 2 out. Re-strung and action is perfect for me.

I am really enjoying my first Ovation.
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cruster
Posted 2005-01-26 8:50 PM (#165496 - in reply to #165495)
Subject: Re: 2 shims out, perfect action!


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The OFC rule, and I believe it is codified in section 3, sub A, part ii of the agreement you 'signed' when you joined, clearly states that if you consider the action to be too high on your Ovation, you must install heavier gauge strings as opposed to removing shims.

Of course, we all know that there are exceptions which serve only to prove the rule, and here on the OFC, there have been exceptions. As I recall, there was a special meeting of the Star Chamber in each of those cases to consider and weigh the relative merits of the individual circumstances, as presented. Since I have been a member of the Star Chamber, we have yet to decline a request for shim removal in lieu of heavier strings. In one instance, the owner (incidentally, that's the colloquial term applied to those whom we deign to allow temporary custody of an Ovation product) had already installed flatwound 16s and considered the action too high. As there aren't really any alternative gauges heavier (the 16s came from a baritone set) that would work, we felt removing one shim was an acceptable compromise. Happily, the 'owner' was satisfied with the resulting reduction in action by approximately 1/64".

I think I speak for all of the current members of the Star Chamber (you know who you are; Hi guys! And gal!) when I say that considering you are a relatively new member, with a low number of posts, if you make haste to replace the shims and then fill out the proper forms we can get the bureaucracy machine rolling and hopefully have a decision in time for you start learning Greensleeves.

That being said...congrats on lowering the action on your Balladeer! My Elite has 3 shims and I find the action to be just fine, considering that I have 12s (or 13s, I can never remember) on it. No fret buzzing (except when I get lazy) but whole step bends are a bite. :D
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Tony Calman
Posted 2005-01-26 11:54 PM (#165497 - in reply to #165495)
Subject: Re: 2 shims out, perfect action!



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hmmmm, have we found the daytime BBBBBailey??
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Bailey
Posted 2005-01-27 2:37 AM (#165498 - in reply to #165495)
Subject: Re: 2 shims out, perfect action!


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Tony

There is no daytime Bailey, exposure to sunlight causes immediate immolation in a burst of blinding fire. You sound like a person with a vintage bloodline worthy of the French burgandian regions, by the way, where is the address of where you sleep, and do you have an entry for thirsty bats?
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ChatMan
Posted 2005-01-27 3:58 PM (#165499 - in reply to #165495)
Subject: Re: 2 shims out, perfect action!


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Is Las Cruces, by chance, anywhere near Carlsbad? Saw a bat or two there once.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2005-01-27 4:37 PM (#165500 - in reply to #165495)
Subject: Re: 2 shims out, perfect action!


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They're close. Las Cruces is in New Mexico and Carlsbad is in California. Both in the southwest corner of the U.S.
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cliff
Posted 2005-01-27 4:43 PM (#165501 - in reply to #165495)
Subject: Re: 2 shims out, perfect action!


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Moody gets the gold star t'day for Geography . . . . and an extra one because he spelled everything correctly . . . .
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2005-01-27 4:52 PM (#165502 - in reply to #165495)
Subject: Re: 2 shims out, perfect action!


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I alwayz spell good.
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Slipkid
Posted 2005-01-27 5:18 PM (#165503 - in reply to #165495)
Subject: Re: 2 shims out, perfect action!



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Location: south east Michigan
I like light strings.
Can I stay?
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cruster
Posted 2005-01-27 5:33 PM (#165504 - in reply to #165495)
Subject: Re: 2 shims out, perfect action!


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Do you have an appointment? Nobody gets rulings on strings without an appointment. How does Tuesday, 27 JAN look for you? That'd be 2009, of course.

;)
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2005-01-27 5:40 PM (#165505 - in reply to #165495)
Subject: Re: 2 shims out, perfect action!


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cruster, have you taken your meds today?
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cruster
Posted 2005-01-27 5:44 PM (#165506 - in reply to #165495)
Subject: Re: 2 shims out, perfect action!


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They told me it was for the ST...er, communicable disease I picked up on that trip, but I don't believe 'em. I never went on a trip! So, I don't take 'em.

You think mebee I should?
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2005-01-27 5:54 PM (#165507 - in reply to #165495)
Subject: Re: 2 shims out, perfect action!


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Oh yeah....
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cruster
Posted 2005-01-27 5:57 PM (#165508 - in reply to #165495)
Subject: Re: 2 shims out, perfect action!


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That's because of the Peavey's, isn't it. I can take them out of my sig, but they really are nice guitars.

;)
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Bailey
Posted 2005-01-28 1:20 AM (#165509 - in reply to #165495)
Subject: Re: 2 shims out, perfect action!


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C'mon Moodypi

Our Carlsbad, NM has bats and wonderful caves, yours just has useless Caleeforneeyas including my oldest son who lives close to that metropolous, and keeps inventing experimental rock songs on garageband.

Flying out of Carlsbad with millions of my cavemates has been a great experience for a night poster.

Muddy
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Old Applause Owner
Posted 2005-01-28 5:27 AM (#165510 - in reply to #165495)
Subject: Re: 2 shims out, perfect action!


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Bailey, I didn't realize that the song "Bat Out Of Hell" was a biographical song about you!!!! :D

Roger
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Bailey
Posted 2005-01-29 1:48 AM (#165511 - in reply to #165495)
Subject: Re: 2 shims out, perfect action!


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Not quite Roger

It would have to be named "Bat Out of the Western Plains" by Sons of the Pioneers.

He left his cave on the Pecos
And flew to the Rio Grande
Where he met a paint caballo
And they made love in the sand

The colt of this romancing
Was born with big bat wings
He flew to where his dancing
At American Idol where he sings

Made him the nation's hero
A colt that dances, sings and flies
and speaks in Spanish cadence
and when he bites the victim dies


Waaahaaa, don't trifle with the flying rhymer

Bailey :eek: :cool: :p :p
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cruster
Posted 2005-01-29 7:24 AM (#165512 - in reply to #165495)
Subject: Re: 2 shims out, perfect action!


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I gave it an 8, Dick. It had a good beat and was easy to dance to. But, it started out with a Marty Robbin's feel, but lost it by the third verse. So, yeah, I gave it an 8.

:D
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Bailey
Posted 2005-01-30 1:35 AM (#165513 - in reply to #165495)
Subject: Re: 2 shims out, perfect action!


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Verse 4

An 8 an 8 an 8 a number that I hate
I will fly across the judging table
for that you seal your fate
bury your body parts in my stygian stable

If I can't win on this mandolin
This thing with strings of 8
Played by a colt who needs a ten
Then I'll just pout and immolate
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