Need a little Emily Post assistance
ChatMan
Posted 2005-03-16 11:53 AM (#159369)
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Is there an accepted protocol regarding fleabay auctions and fellow OFC members? In the past I have I have kind of casually bid on a couple of auctions but always wondered if I should touchbase with the other participant. Then I wonder if doing so would be tacky. Well, now I see an item out there that really catches my fancy. My lonely 6591 really needs some family. So is there any 'code of conduct' or other accepted behavior in this arena? Or is it a case of standback and let 'er rip...
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Standingovation
Posted 2005-03-16 12:08 PM (#159370 - in reply to #159369)
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Touchy subject. For one thing you/we need to make sure we don't violate ebay rules by collusion on bidding, etc. And never under any circumstances bid against anyone named standingovation.

The grey area is what to do if you see something that's obviously been bid on by a known OFC member. I think it has a lot to do with how bad you want it. If it's a "must have", then bid away and let the chips fall where they may. It's a free world. The bad thing (and it happened to me last year) is to get into a bidding war for the wrong reasons. I went back and forth bidding against a guy (didn't know at the time he was an OFC'er) and I finally won the auction at a very inflated price but I really wanted the item. The other guy identified himself here and I sent him an email to say "no hard feelings, sorry you didn't win the item." He emails me back saying he wasn't really interested in the item anyway! So I'm like, Thanks buddy for driving up the price an extra $600 bucks.

So, my own personal code of conduct wrt OFC'ers is that I'll email the OFC bidder and ask how serious he is about the item. Most often we are just bottom feeding and he'll say, naw just go for it. On occasion he'll say that he's really serious about the item. If it's a "must have" for me then the bidding war proceeds, if it's a "nice to have", I'll stay away. I don't ever ask anyone what they have bid or how high they are willing to do, as I believe that would be an ebay violation.

Dave
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2005-03-16 12:13 PM (#159371 - in reply to #159369)
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Last year I spotted a Glen Campbell Deluxe Balladeer. I put a bid in and then posted on the OFC board that I really wanted it (been looking for 30 years and was finally in a position to get it when one came up. Everybody here was good about it and didn't drive the price up. The seller was a casual OFC member and I let him know that I would pay a fair market price (he was looking for his reserve). Transaction done.

If somebody really wants something, they should let the board know. Overall, I think Dave's comments pretty well cover the situation.
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MWoody
Posted 2005-03-16 12:16 PM (#159372 - in reply to #159369)
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Ebay rule #1 - the one that bids the highest wins the auction.

The problem is that there are a lot of "Bottom Feeders" including myself that make stabs at items - which may just push the price up for someone who really wants it.

What i have seen and tried to do is to identify when there is an OFC Bidder in the mosh pit and communicate with them. If you really want or need this item more than I do I will stay out. It can simplify things but not necessarily keep the price down - the rest of the world is still out there!

It is OK to outbid an OFC'er but, to quote the American Philosopher Dolly Pardon "Jolene... don't take him from me just because you can!"
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MWoody
Posted 2005-03-16 12:19 PM (#159373 - in reply to #159369)
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I was typing as Paul and Dave were responding.

There is an auction over an Adamas right now with at least three OFC'ers as bidders. Let's watch!

Just don't tell anyone!
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cruster
Posted 2005-03-16 12:34 PM (#159374 - in reply to #159369)
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You can't post an OFC cat fight...er, bidding war...uh, an eBay auction involving our finest and brightest without including a link! I call 'Foul!'
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MWoody
Posted 2005-03-16 12:36 PM (#159375 - in reply to #159369)
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Single Epaulet Adamas

Cruster made me do it! :rolleyes:
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2005-03-16 12:37 PM (#159376 - in reply to #159369)
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33029&item=7...
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MWoody
Posted 2005-03-16 12:40 PM (#159377 - in reply to #159369)
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Paul's aim is better but my draw was quicker!

That is a nice instrument. Any history about it?
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Posted 2005-03-16 12:41 PM (#159378 - in reply to #159369)
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there will be no collusion or effort to engage in collusion on the OFC.

I have very strong views about this. IF you want to contact someone privately fine but to announce that you are bidding on something and back off is totally wrong.

If I was the seller I would have to use the private bidder function because I would want to get the most for the item I had for sale.
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ChatMan
Posted 2005-03-16 12:45 PM (#159379 - in reply to #159369)
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For about 1 millisecond I was the high bidder (and then the relentless ebay autobid took over and dashed my dreams) I think I'll hang back and try for an 11th hour swoop and grab.
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MWoody
Posted 2005-03-16 1:02 PM (#159380 - in reply to #159369)
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Another tidbit is to make an early bid just to announce your interest.
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willard
Posted 2005-03-16 1:13 PM (#159381 - in reply to #159369)
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I just can't help but think of Pat Boone when I see a blue Adamas.
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MWoody
Posted 2005-03-16 1:24 PM (#159382 - in reply to #159369)
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The bottom line: in the last 15 minutes bid as much as you are willing to pay. I have bought and sold at just meeting the reserve price.


"Pat Boone"???
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willard
Posted 2005-03-16 1:37 PM (#159383 - in reply to #159369)
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He used to wear blue shoes to match his blue pants and his blue shirt and his blue coat and tie. He probably had blue underwear on as well.
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Tony Calman
Posted 2005-03-16 2:10 PM (#159384 - in reply to #159369)
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Basically, I agree with the posts. I am sensitive if I know that an OFC'er absolutely needs the guitar...more to the fact that I won't get it based on a "want." Paul's shiny bowl is a good example. However, have posted a warning that a particular guitar is MINE and it will be expensive if I am outbid. That would be true even if it was "private bidder."

If the bidding is very low, I may mark it with a low bid. For the Adamas, since it was already at $450 (yes, still low), I set it as a watch since I doubt if I am in the market for a second Adamas II.

I have encouraged OFC'ers to contact me privately as to my intent - "want", "need", or "I don't care." To date, I haven't seen any of the auctions affected by this communication. Heck, on an OFC posting for sale, I even let another member get the guitar (after I had paid for it) as his need was a lot greater than my want.

As to bidding on a guitar I want...I have won three auctions for less than the reserve because I was the highest bidder when it closed - using eBay 2nd offer. Stephen got a great 2005 Collector's because he was the highest on the NAMM auction, even though it was below reserve. And a low number.

As to snipe bidding or last minute bids - before the auction closes, I know how much I will spend and I bid it...snipe or last minute don't bother me since I either win it for what I will pay or someone else pays more. So, if it is a need, bid what you can afford, even if less than reserve.

As to the OFC, I have seen it work to the seller's advantage as we have a better idea of what the guitar is worth and the discussion creates sufficient GAS.
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Standingovation
Posted 2005-03-16 2:44 PM (#159385 - in reply to #159369)
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For the record, I never announce what I'm bidding on so any speculation would be just that. Bid, swoop, snipe, whatever ...
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MWoody
Posted 2005-03-16 2:52 PM (#159386 - in reply to #159369)
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Willard:

Too much information!
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-03-16 3:17 PM (#159387 - in reply to #159369)
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Brides at a half-off wedding gown sale...all bets are off. Personally, I wouldn't go near it for fear of getting gouged.
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Capo Guy
Posted 2005-03-16 3:18 PM (#159388 - in reply to #159369)
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I remember Pat Boone wearing White Buck Shoes. When did he switch to Blue?

I don't like the single epaulet style, so I won't be bidding. That should somebody at least
$1.98. :D
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Designzilla
Posted 2005-03-16 3:48 PM (#159389 - in reply to #159369)
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OK, I'm the other OFC bidder. Although, I am only a Junior. I posted here at the end of last year wanting to buy a breadwinner or deacon. Right after that I had the surprise opportunity to buy back an Ibanez V that I originally got in 1975 (my fist Rock and Roll guitar) and hated to part with (hard times) in 1998. By the time I was looking at the deacons and BWs again the price had gone way up. Meanwhile, my oldest friend, my Ovation acoustic I got new in 1973, has some serious cracks on the top. I basically quit playing after I sold my V and a Guild f45CE in 98, so I had my Ovation stored in the case for a few years. When my wife convinced me to start playing again and I pulled out my Ovation, the top was cracked. The neck is bowed also, but I'm afraid if I adjust the truss rod I might make the cracks worse! So I figured I'll send it back to the factory, but really need another Ovation acoustic to play in the meantime.

After lurking around the OFC and looking at various recommendations, I decided to play every Ovation I could get my hands on and buy the one I liked best. Unfortunately, the Ovation selection at music stores in Orlando is limited. I was very disappointed by the sound and feel of many of the ones I tried, mostly low end ones. Then I tried the music store out on Disney property and tried some Elites and Adamii. My new quest became - play every Adamas I could find and buy the one I like best. Unfortunately, the store out a Disney was the only local source. I absolutely fell in love with an Adamas W597 4G. But, soon realized that $2199 was a little overpriced. I started seeing a bunch of them on eBay from $1000 -$1300. Even saw one for sale on the OFC! Of course, by now my guitar money had gone to fixing kids cars and such. Now, my guitar budget is finally almost back and not a W597 to be found! I'm trying to be patient. But I'm starting to bid on stuff again. Like I mentioned, my guitar budget is not quite back, so my interest depends on how high the price goes. I'm guessing I'll just wait for a W597.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-03-16 4:05 PM (#159390 - in reply to #159369)
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Designzilla
This is kinda crass on my part, but i am selling an Elite 1537 (pictured if you click "Opics" in my signiture) and listed in the Sale/Trade section. In your price range and most folks on this board will tell you it is a really fine guitar.

Sorry for a sales pitch
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stephent28
Posted 2005-03-16 4:28 PM (#159391 - in reply to #159369)
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Designzilla
I heartly second what Jeff just said. If you search the archives you will find that the 1537 is considered "one of the best" Ovations. Very few were made and usually when they find a home they stay there and never leave.

Jeff is lucky enough to own 2 of them and it is only because he is lusting after my FD14 that he has decided to part with one of them. :D

I think just about every 1537 owner on this board (less than 10 I think) would tell you if you want a great guitar that you will be happy with....jump all over this one!!!!
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-03-16 4:47 PM (#159392 - in reply to #159369)
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...Don't believe Stephen.
I really don't spend long nights awake, gazing longingly and caressing the photo of his FD-14.

I don't.

Really.
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Designzilla
Posted 2005-03-16 4:48 PM (#159393 - in reply to #159369)
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Jeff
Very nice! Very tempting. Nice price. I'm gonna have to seriously think about this one. The main problem I have is, It's really hard to find nice Ovations to play in Orlando, but of course they all feel and sound different, I played a couple of Elites and absolutely loved them until I played the Adamas W597. Loved the sound, the neck, the feel. I would really like to find one of those, but I'm not sure I can wait. So I'm gonna have to seriously think about this one. In other words, I've gotta ask my wife...
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MWoody
Posted 2005-03-16 4:56 PM (#159394 - in reply to #159369)
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May I take a minute and seriously derail this post topic?

I know there are at least a dozen Floridians and semi-Floridians on the board. Any of you close enough to get together and jam and share?

You are in between Hurricanes, why not a Florida Jam! Or would that be marmalade?
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Designzilla
Posted 2005-03-16 5:02 PM (#159395 - in reply to #159369)
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We do have a while before hurricane season... Anybody in Central FL?
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Posted 2005-03-16 5:05 PM (#159396 - in reply to #159369)
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Designzilla,
If you followed one of the other threads, you would have seen that a 1537 just sold on ebay for $1200. Jeff declared early on that he would only sell to other OFC members to share the joy.....to me a monumental but very heartwarming gesture...even though he knew he could sell it for more on ebay. I believe Jeff even said he would keep it before he would sell it on ebay in the hopes that an OFCer down the road would be able to buy it.

OK....I am through with praising Jeff....but the 1537 is awesome, one of my top 3 that I have in the stable.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-03-16 5:09 PM (#159397 - in reply to #159369)
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Designzilla,
So as not to hijack this thread (geez, what am I worried about?) if you would like to correspond further we can do so over private messages through this site. Ask your wife, do some research, bid on the 597...do what you need to.

If playing before you buy is a requirement, I'm sure we could work something out.
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MWoody
Posted 2005-03-16 5:13 PM (#159398 - in reply to #159369)
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Some brave soul needs to start a post about the upcoming Florida Jam!!!

Now, back to weird looking french Ovations.

Shouldn't it be on OuiBay?
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-03-16 5:13 PM (#159399 - in reply to #159369)
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Stephen T,
It's alright you can go on...

Thanks, Bud.
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cruster
Posted 2005-03-16 5:23 PM (#159400 - in reply to #159369)
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Originally posted by Designzilla:
We do have a while before hurricane season... Anybody in Central FL?
Was just in the Tampa area (with a side trip to DisneyripoffWorld). Will be back in Orlando in September. :)
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cruster
Posted 2005-03-16 5:24 PM (#159401 - in reply to #159369)
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Originally posted by Standingovation:
For the record, I never announce what I'm bidding on so any speculation would be just that. Bid, swoop, snipe, whatever ...
For the record, I *can't* bid on anything since I blew the guitar fund on a stewpeed Palm Tree uke that I'm now addicted to.

Say, anyone like the sound of 'Blackbird' on the uke, or is it just me? ;0
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-03-16 5:27 PM (#159402 - in reply to #159369)
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THAT"S IT!!!

Guys, it's time for an INTERVENTION!!
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Designzilla
Posted 2005-03-16 5:33 PM (#159403 - in reply to #159369)
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Hey cruster,
Drop me an email before you come down. Bring your Elite! And do you travel with you uke?
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Tony Calman
Posted 2005-03-16 5:36 PM (#159404 - in reply to #159369)
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sounds like he sleeps with it...
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Posted 2005-03-16 5:46 PM (#159405 - in reply to #159369)
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Tony,
I'm worried.
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worshipleader
Posted 2005-03-17 6:47 AM (#159406 - in reply to #159369)
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Originally posted by Designzilla:
I absolutely fell in love with an Adamas W597 4G. But, soon realized that $2199 was a little overpriced. I started seeing a bunch of them on eBay from $1000 -$1300. Even saw one for sale on the OFC! Of course, by now my guitar money had gone to fixing kids cars and such. Now, my guitar budget is finally almost back and not a W597 to be found! I'm trying to be patient. But I'm starting to bid on stuff again. Like I mentioned, my guitar budget is not quite back, so my interest depends on how high the price goes. I'm guessing I'll just wait for a W597.
Your patience has been rewarded ...

W597 on eBay :D :D :D
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Designzilla
Posted 2005-03-17 7:39 AM (#159407 - in reply to #159369)
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Yep, I saw it! Still working on my wife, but I'm hopeful. I'm thinking of using the Buy it Now Price. That way I know it's mine, and it's still half the price of the local one!
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-03-17 7:43 AM (#159408 - in reply to #159369)
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Originally posted by Designzilla:
Still working on my wife
Who said romance was dead :eek:
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Posted 2005-03-17 7:58 AM (#159409 - in reply to #159369)
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The "buy it now" price looks pretty good. I hope it works out. This seems like one of those "just meant to be" things.
Waaaay back in the spring of '92 I fell in love with a new Chevy pick-up on the lot. I just could not swing it at the time. I went back to look for a wife car in the fall. That red & white truck was still there 6 months later. My wife said she would keep her car a while longer and that I should go get that truck. I put 235,000 miles on that truck. It was the best vehicle I have ever owned.
There Designzilla....use that story with your wife. Every little bit can help.
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Designzilla
Posted 2005-03-17 8:00 AM (#159410 - in reply to #159369)
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Really, this is all her fault. I had quit playing for 4 or 5 years and she decided to redecorate my office by hanging up those guitars that had been in the closet in cases. I work at home and she said I needed a creative outlet. And I'm a graphic designer! She has mentioned a few times I have wall space for a couple more guitars. She's the Best!
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Posted 2005-03-17 8:56 AM (#159411 - in reply to #159369)
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Just my 2 cents but IMHO the 1537 sounds better than a W597....but it is a different sound.

I guess you gotta follow your dream.
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Posted 2005-03-17 11:14 AM (#159412 - in reply to #159369)
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Ditto. 1537 is an amazing instrument. When people come to my house they oooh and aaaah other guitars ... until I strum the 1537. You can get them for the same price range as the W597 but they are a hell of a lot more rare. It would be an easy choice for me. Dave
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Designzilla
Posted 2005-03-17 11:56 AM (#159413 - in reply to #159369)
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Man, you guys are a bunch of trouble makers. I know what I want and manage to find it and now you tempt me with a beautiful looking guitar that everyone swears sounds better. And I can actually get it for less money! Like I said in earlier posts the selection of nice Ovations to play in Orlando is pretty small. So I only know of those I've been able to play I loved the W597. Now you've got me thinking again. Oh man, my head hurts.
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Posted 2005-03-17 12:03 PM (#159414 - in reply to #159369)
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Well, you have to go with what your heart tells you but.....

If you look at the collections that I have, Dave has, Tony, etc.....and we are all saying that the 1537 is a better sounding, rarer guitar for less money.....

Check out Dave's site (standingovation) at www.ovationgallery.com

The man has every desirable Ovation ever made and some that even the factory denies making!!

Since you are a new member of the OFC family, we are merely trying to give you the benefit of our wisdom and ears....specially since the choices of seeing them in person is slim where you are located.
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Posted 2005-03-17 12:26 PM (#159415 - in reply to #159369)
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You could buy the W597 now and then keep searching for the 1537. Once you find a 1537 you could compare the two and re-sell which ever one you didn't like. Although 99% chance you would end up keeping both.
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Designzilla
Posted 2005-03-17 12:30 PM (#159416 - in reply to #159369)
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Yup, that's why I'm confused. I've checked out Dave's site and a number of the galleries. And I know I'm talkin to people who love ovations. So I really appreciate the advice. And this may be the only guitar I buy this year. So I'm starting to lean toward the 1537...
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Posted 2005-03-17 12:48 PM (#159417 - in reply to #159369)
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Originally posted by Designzilla:
Yup, that's why I'm confused.... So I'm starting to lean toward the 1537...
If you have any questions, please ask all you want.
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Designzilla
Posted 2005-03-17 1:07 PM (#159418 - in reply to #159369)
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Jeff,
I'm not even sure what to ask. Can anybody compare the W597 and the 1537 that has played both. What I liked about the W597 was the nice full sound. It had good volume when played acoustically and it sounded great plugged in. I really liked the way the neck felt. When I started my New Ovation search (my Quest) it had easily been 10 years since I had played any roundbacks other than my '73 Ovation, and I was surprised how different the necks felt from guitar to guitar. How hoes the sound and feel differ? I'm thinkin if everybody tells me the 1597 is so much nicer, I'd be crazy to get the W597. Although, I would probably be really happy with either one.
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Posted 2005-03-17 1:28 PM (#159419 - in reply to #159369)
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Well bottom line, down the road it will be MUCH MUCH EASIER to find a W597 that a 1537. 1537's just don't show up very often cause most owners won't sell them.

The 1537 has a beautiful rich warm woody tone that you won't find on too many of the O's. It is definately closer in sound to a good wooden guitar than the W597.

Like Dave said, you won't go wrong with either one but after you have a 1537 and the GAS sets in, a W597 will be much easier to find and add to the stable.

By my count, there is maybe 1 or 2 of the 1537's on ebay a year. The W597's show up 1 or 2 a month.
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stephent28
Posted 2005-03-17 1:31 PM (#159420 - in reply to #159369)
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OK...I am done,
The 1537 sells itself....doesn't need me pushing it's virtues. Search the archives for 1537...plenty to read and plenty of opinions.

Good luck.
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Posted 2005-03-17 1:34 PM (#159421 - in reply to #159369)
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These are both great guitars. I own a 1537 and played a W597 a year ago up in Hollywood. If I didn't own the 1537, I would have bought the W597.

The above analysis on the 1537 is spot on. It's got a very warm, woody sound. Very deep. The W597 is a brighter guitar but also has a very deep sound. Similar to a degree, but one's warmer, the other brighter. Depends upon what you're looking for.

I've seen 1537's on ebay to the tune of 4-5 per year. No more. I'm not certain I've ever seen a W597 on ebay, but Al has some in inventory (assuming his web page is up to date -- never assume that with Al). Just to confirm, the W597 is a textured top Adamas similar to the original Adamii, but with an ebony fingerboard and abalone inlays. Cutaway, with a 5 piece neck. Look at Al's website to see some pics. They were built for the overseas market. If you're going to buy one, deal with Al. Can't go wrong and he never closes.

I don't think you could go wrong with either guitar.
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Posted 2005-03-17 1:45 PM (#159422 - in reply to #159369)
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Hmmm, maybe it is the Q597's that I see on Ebay all the time.
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Posted 2005-03-17 1:54 PM (#159423 - in reply to #159369)
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Moody, That's the beast, but the one I played (and am looking at on eBay) has a natural graphite crossweave top and they were sold domestically in 2002 and maybe later. And thanks, bright is a good description of the sound.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2005-03-17 1:57 PM (#159424 - in reply to #159369)
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Probably. The W597 is fairly rare. And quite honestly, I like it quite a bit more than than an US built, regular production Adamas offered in the last few years. Better looking, and I felt it had a bigger sound. The only one I held and played had the older style preamp, which, as most of you know, work great.
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Posted 2005-03-17 1:59 PM (#159425 - in reply to #159369)
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Designzilla,
I have not played a W597, though there are certainly folks on this site that have played both.

The 1537 was essentally an Adamas prototype that became the very first Ovation Elite and features like the 5 piece neck and playability will feel very similar to the Adamas in general. I owned a SMT and the necks are similar in feel. The 1537 does have a glossed neck, which may be different from the 597(I'm guessing its neck is oiled.

The 1537 is accepted as one of the very best sounding Ovations. It has a beautiful round, warm and balanced tone. Sustains forever. Volume to spare and great projection. Our ears are subjective critters, but few will disagree about the quality of the acoustic tone.

Plugged in, it is simply one of the best sounding wood tops I have heard. Period. My friends who play Taylors/Gibsons and Martins all give this guitar its due...(plugged and unplugged)

The fit and finish are top notch..AAA Quartersawn Sitka Spruce Top. It has a 5ply real wood binding of walnut/maple and paduak.Resin impregnated Black walnut fretboard. Maple inlay fret markers and gold leaf "Ovation" on head stock with 24k gold schaller machines.
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Posted 2005-03-17 2:07 PM (#159426 - in reply to #159369)
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Jeff, there we go repeating ourselves again! Now repeat after me....we only need to hit the "add reply" button once....we only need.....

By the way, the 1537 is both mono and STEREO which is kinda cool for recording or if you have 2 amps to play live.

Just last night I ran it through my Acoustasonic SFX on the left and the Vox Valtronix w/chorus on the right!

HOLY #^*&#@__&@$, two hours went by in what seemed to be 10 minutes. Lots of fun!
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Posted 2005-03-17 2:14 PM (#159427 - in reply to #159369)
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as concerns the double posting...my browser has been failing to load the page when posting replys. When I resend...there's my post twice????
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Posted 2005-03-17 2:19 PM (#159428 - in reply to #159369)
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Oh yeah,
The 1537 has both mono and stereo jacks, that when engaged apperantly cause Stephen to lose time.
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Posted 2005-03-17 2:40 PM (#159429 - in reply to #159369)
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Unless I'm mistaken (pretty good chance of that) the W597 is the CVT 6-string Adamas. I believe what Moody is referring to is the textured top W597 (W597-T??) that Al P. shows on his website as a made for export special. If Godzilla saw an Adamas over at D-world I think it would probably be a plain vanilla crossweave top Adamas. Much like what is up on ebay today. I recall seeing a couple of these a month. Almost always see at least 1 every time I look.
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Posted 2005-03-17 2:49 PM (#159430 - in reply to #159369)
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Designzilla,
I'd grab the 1537… but what do I know, I just bought one. My decision was based on the descriptions from current owners.
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Posted 2005-03-17 2:51 PM (#159431 - in reply to #159369)
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Noah, you shoulda asked me to play mine before buying one sight unseen. You'll probably hate it. To be charitable, I'll take it off your hands for $175.
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Posted 2005-03-17 3:06 PM (#159432 - in reply to #159369)
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Chatman is right. W597 is a standard cross weave CVT. Not even in the same league as the 1537. The CVT might be a better gigging guitar - more durable than a wood top, cutaway, better pre-amp. But other than that, hands down I buy the 1537. The sound is just incredible. SMT and CVT tops do nothing for me. There are about 15 or so people on this board that own 1537's and how many do you think have ever parted with one because they didn't like it? Other than the greedy few that own more than one, I can't think of any.
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Posted 2005-03-17 3:45 PM (#159433 - in reply to #159369)
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http://search.ebay.com/w597_Musical-Instruments_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfro...
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Posted 2005-03-17 3:51 PM (#159434 - in reply to #159369)
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Originally posted by Standingovation:
Other than the greedy few that own more than one...
I own two, but neither have arrived. Al's should be here Tuesday. The one from Canada (eBay) has not shipped yet. Just could not pass up that one on eBay. It will make a good trade one day.
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Posted 2005-03-17 4:00 PM (#159435 - in reply to #159369)
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Look on Al's webpage under the same model number, W597-8. Beautiful guitar. Much much better than what is sold in the U.S. under the same model number.
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Posted 2005-03-17 4:24 PM (#159436 - in reply to #159369)
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I think Al disguises the model numbers for IRS purposes (just kidding). Dave
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Posted 2005-03-17 4:32 PM (#159437 - in reply to #159369)
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I think we have overwhelmed Designzilla with the out pouring of comments and advice.
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Posted 2005-03-17 4:39 PM (#159438 - in reply to #159369)
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Stephen,
you got mail (PM)
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Posted 2005-03-17 4:40 PM (#159439 - in reply to #159369)
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OK,cut that out!! You guys had me sold on the 1537 and I had to check out W597-8 on Als site. Very nice! But come on, now you're really confusing me! This can't be as nice as the 1537, can it? And the price? And Stereo? No more NEW suggestions, please! Unless it's something really cool...
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Posted 2005-03-17 4:44 PM (#159440 - in reply to #159369)
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Have you seen the new ford mustangs?
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Posted 2005-03-17 4:49 PM (#159441 - in reply to #159369)
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How do they sound compared to the 1537?
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Posted 2005-03-17 4:51 PM (#159442 - in reply to #159369)
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Mustang GT w/ my 1537 in the back seat. Be still my beating heart.
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Posted 2005-03-17 4:55 PM (#159443 - in reply to #159369)
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Originally posted by Designzilla:
How do they sound compared to the 1537?
Both have nice low end...
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Posted 2005-03-17 7:46 PM (#159444 - in reply to #159369)
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Get the 1537. You'll love it. If you don't you can always get rid of it and for pretty good money, perhaps more than you paid if you wait a bit. The other one is a newer guitar and will take more of a depreciation hit. While I have not played that particular model, I have played others like it. I'd choose the 1537 but what do I know, I'm just a retired gas station guy.
Then get the Mustang.........
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Posted 2005-03-17 7:53 PM (#159445 - in reply to #159369)
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Better to be somebody who pumped gas for a living than somebody who passed gas for a living.....

I agree about the 1537. I know somebody at Ovation who really knows the guitars and that's the one model he regrets not having.
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Posted 2005-03-17 8:03 PM (#159446 - in reply to #159369)
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Wife said yes! To the guitar, not the Mustang. JeffW, you have mail. Thanks to everyone for the great input!
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Posted 2005-03-17 8:15 PM (#159447 - in reply to #159369)
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Great decision!

OK Jeff, now about that 6 way split :rolleyes:
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Posted 2005-03-17 8:29 PM (#159448 - in reply to #159369)
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OK, go for the Ford GT, much cooler than the Mustang anyway.
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Posted 2005-03-17 8:34 PM (#159449 - in reply to #159369)
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Once again, six pages of off topic posts sells another Ovation!

Someone has to get Alpep to start posting his inventory here. ;)

(ok, back to the uk..er, guitar)
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Posted 2005-03-17 8:37 PM (#159450 - in reply to #159369)
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The really scary thing is when I asked my wife she said you should get both! Unfortunately, I'm the practical one. We were looing at SUVs and she decided she wanted a corvette. Do you know how hard it is to say no to a corvette! Or 2 Ovations.
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Posted 2005-03-17 8:40 PM (#159451 - in reply to #159369)
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She keeps reminding me I didn't buy her the vette or the SUV...
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Posted 2005-03-17 8:42 PM (#159452 - in reply to #159369)
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Designzilla, listen to your wife! (or just realize how lucky you are). Here's your solution, tell her OK you'll get two but you'll take a rain check for the second one, to be cashed in at a future date of your choosing.

For the record, I sold gas for a living but passed it for fun
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Posted 2005-03-17 8:57 PM (#159453 - in reply to #159369)
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I like the rain check idea. And I feel very lucky that she supports my GAS!
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Posted 2005-03-17 9:16 PM (#159454 - in reply to #159369)
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You made a wise choice. Dave
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Posted 2005-03-17 9:20 PM (#159455 - in reply to #159369)
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Now if Jeff will answer my emails, or my telepathic messages...
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Posted 2005-03-17 9:59 PM (#159456 - in reply to #159369)
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Got em...

emails have been returned...

And THANKS to the whole raft of folks who offered their opinions during this process. You are just a damn fine collection of good folks.

Thanks, Really.
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Posted 2005-03-17 10:09 PM (#159457 - in reply to #159369)
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I Really appreciate everyones advice and patience and information and sarcasm. Thanks to everyone, especially Jeff!
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Posted 2005-03-17 10:26 PM (#159458 - in reply to #159369)
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Especially Jeff :(

Hell, all he did was sell you the damn guitar :confused:

We (me, Dave, Moody, W2, etc) did all the work :D
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Posted 2005-03-17 11:19 PM (#159459 - in reply to #159369)
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Originally posted by stephent28:
Especially Jeff :(

Hell, all he did was sell you the damn guitar :confused:

We (me, Dave, Moody, W2, etc) did all the work :D
Dear Minions,
This will be the model upon which I base the rest of my life...
:D
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Posted 2005-03-18 6:22 AM (#159460 - in reply to #159369)
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I would 'El Kabong' Jeff, but right now all I seem to have handy is made of koa and very small.
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Posted 2005-03-18 7:13 AM (#159461 - in reply to #159369)
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OK, revised thanks. Thanks especially to Chatman for starting a totally unrealted thread that magically led me to buy a beautiful guitar I did not know existed.

And an extra special thanks to all you exalted experts (you know who you are and so do we) who beat me down with opinions and facts until I had no choice but to lust after my soon to be 1537.

And thanks to jeff cause he's gonna send me the damn guitar!
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Posted 2005-03-18 7:14 AM (#159462 - in reply to #159369)
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Oh and a BIG thanks to cruster for making me wonder what stairway to heaven sounds like on a uke!
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Posted 2005-03-18 8:35 AM (#159463 - in reply to #159369)
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Designzilla,
One rule on the OFC is too never thank Cruster and to never never give him an opening to mention his uke!

Your mailbox is probably overflowing with an outburst of email from Cruster trying to send you photos and uke tabs!
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Posted 2005-03-18 8:50 AM (#159464 - in reply to #159369)
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Originally posted by cruster:
I would 'El Kabong' Jeff, but right now all I seem to have handy is made of koa and very small.
....and that might just be the best sound ever to come from that lilliputian lute.

I'll do the thinnin' round here Bobbaloo... and my head hurts.
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Posted 2005-03-18 11:20 AM (#159465 - in reply to #159369)
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Hey, now, I haven't sent out the uke photo spam in ages. Well, actually, I've never sent out a uke photo spam. But, now that you mention it Stephen...

:)
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Posted 2005-03-18 1:03 PM (#159466 - in reply to #159369)
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Damn, I should have seen that rock starting to move and stepped on it.... ;)

Oh well
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Posted 2005-03-18 1:34 PM (#159467 - in reply to #159369)
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If someone would sell me a Hamer Cali Elite or a nice Duotone at a bottom feeder friendly price, I wouldn't have to 'harp' on the 'uke' so much.

;)

(Man, that was bad)
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Posted 2005-03-18 1:48 PM (#159468 - in reply to #159369)
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Don't really know what Duotones go for new but wasn't there one on ebay just this week that didn't sell?
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Posted 2005-03-18 2:10 PM (#159469 - in reply to #159369)
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Cruster,
Might I recommend an aggressive course of high dose steriods for your uke...

...after all look what they have done for baseball
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