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Location: Anchorage, Alaska | I have been thinking about having a bone nut and maybe saddle cut to replace the ones on my 2005 Collectors. What exactly would I expect to hear from either of these changes? :confused: |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I would suspect that it might brighten the tone a bit and increase the sustain a bit as well. Hard to tell though, if it would make a big difference. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Not much differnence. I'd save my money and buy something else. A new stomp box or something. It won't hurt. I suppose, it's the difference between having a stamper made out of real rubber and one made out of artificial rubber. The artificial one will do just as well. |
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Location: Anchorage, Alaska | Thank you for the input. That is just what I needed to know. I was actually trying to take a little of the "brightness" away. Any suggestions on getting a little deeper unplugged tone out of my 2005 Collectors. |
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Location: SoCal | Medium gauge strings. Coated. Elixir polyweb. |
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Location: boulder | Hi,
I wonder if Ovation ever tested to find out which material made for the best sounding saddle. (Best being somewhat subjective).
I believe the saddle (as with top wood and bridge) wants to have the highest 'velocity of sound' possible. I mean all the woods want to pass as much sound vibrations through them as possible, with as little dampening of sound vibrations as possible. The Ovation plastic saddle seems to work great. But I have wondered about this also.
FWIW, Stewart-Mcdonald's has a few different types of saddles/nuts.
peace mike
from Tapping woodtones by dana bourgeois
Velocity of sound refers to the speed at which a material transmits received energy. Simply described, plucked guitar strings transmit energy to the bridge. The bridge in return oscillates one surface of a ported enclosure, setting up sound pressure waves that eventually reach the eardrum. In order to contain this chain reaction, one must design an efficient ported enclosure and then make it out of materials that facilitate the transmission of the vibrational energy. Lively materials-those with a high velocity of sound, or low internal dampening-make the best facilitators. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Besides the strings, which is probably the best idea, and tune them done a half step, I don't know if this will work, but I've noticed on the adamas, when the lower bout sound holes are plugged I get bassier sound. I wonder if the same would hold try if you plug the hole with a bung on the collector's. Worth a try, and you can use the bung when you play out. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Ditto what Paul said...medium, coated, elixers |
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Location: Anchorage, Alaska | "Medium gauge strings. Coated. Elixir polyweb"
I did that the second day I had it. I have never tried to tune down or used any alternate tunings before. Maybe I'll look into that. Don't get me wrong now. The 2005 Collectors is a very nice guitar with a nice sound. I just prefer a little deeper tone. I think I just got too spoiled or used to, my 1769 AD-5 Al DiMeola with the deep bowl. She's just a different flavor, but still sweeeet... |
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Location: North Carolina | How many shims have you got under the saddle? When I went from 2 to 3 shims on my CE768 I noticed a fairly substantial increase in low end.
Any increase in saddle height should help you.
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Has anyone ever tried 2 different string gauges at the same time? Say Mediums on the low end and a lighter gauge on the high end?
I am thinking of this as a way to balance the sound or even the tone of an instrument. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Has anyone ever tried 2 different string gauges at the same time? Say Mediums on the low end and a lighter gauge on the high end?
I am thinking of this as a way to balance the sound or even the tone of an instrument. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I've heard that some things bear repeating but never anything that Jeff had to say! ;) |
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Location: Carle Place, NY | Elixir makes a medium/light gauge in both Polyweb and Nanoweb that is medium for the low three strings and light for the high strings. They are hard to find in the local shops but usually available on-line from Musicians Friend or Music 123. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Some people like hearing themselves speak...
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Location: Snellville, GA | D'addario's website shows their strings from bright to mellow. The bronze 80/20's being bright, the silk and steel being mellow, the phosphour bronze being in the middle. |
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Location: SoCal | The other thing to keep in mind is that the 05 Collectors has the LX's bracing pattern, which is the modified X pattern. It's a balanced sound between lows and highs, with a bright balanced sound. The guitars with the A bracing pattern has a deeper bass response.
Your best bet is to keep the action decently high and use medium gauge strings. The high action keeps a strong break over the saddle which exerts maximum pressure on the saddle/body contact, for maximum sound. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Leave it to Paul for a perfectly lucid answer. |
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Location: Anchorage, Alaska | You can always count on the members of the OFC for some great information. Thank you all. |
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