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May this alone bring many blessings to you and your families today and everyday
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Location: central nj | Paulcc1,
Thanks for the great news!! You beat me to it. The GREATEST Story ever told. If Jesus played a guitar, I think HE would have played a 1537 Custom elite with "angel wing" Epaulets. (Just a guess though.)
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Location: East Tennessee | Happy Easter to all. After Sunrise Service with Guitar outside and Two Easter Services singing with Choir inside. Dinner at 2:00 PM Probably Nap at 3:00.
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Location: NW NJ | What a joyous day for those of us who believe the Good News! And for all of us who don't know Him yet, my prayer is that we would find Him and receive and receive the life that He died and then rose from the dead to give to us. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | What a wonderful Easter Morning! All those people in church left the golf course open for the rest of us. Our service at the church of Callaway was very nice as well. Good day for gators too, saw 7 out sunning. |
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Location: Warren, OH | And now to return to our topic... Here's a nice version with that title for next year...
http://www.giamusic.com/sacred_music/audio/CD566track7.ram |
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Location: Orange County, California | Thanks Paul!! It's About Jesus, who came and lived a perfect life, died for ALL of our sins, and rose again on the third day, proving that he is the Son of the Living God.
Did you hear the one the preacher who called in sick to go play golf on Sunday? an Michael the archangel made sure he hit Ealges all day long. When he was done, Gabriel asked him why he did that? Micahel said "Who's he gonna tell..." |
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Location: NC | The Tomb is empty; therefore you may live eternally! Watched The Greatest Story last night and just reaffirmed that there is hope......and I know from the epaulets on certain models of "O's", or angel wings I heard one say once that the angels in God's kingdom must play "O's" rather than any other! God bless you all! |
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Location: central nj | Nice to read that OFC has alot of believers. Lets live the life so that our actions and examples will lead those who do not yet beleive, over to our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. I am not an accomplished player, but I know that my playing is 10 times better when I am up in front of the congregation, even with the butterflies and nerves kickin' in!!
Hope all had a Blessed Happy Easter Weekend
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(but not in "that" way . . . .)
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Location: Orange County, California | Right now, It because It's just after Easter and we're all "pumped" (If you read the last few verses of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, you'd see why). In general, It's the same thing as us posting about great thing on Ebay, or first crack at something new from the factory. It's because we want to share a good thing with our friends and the people we care about, not keep it to ourselves (even though we may try to outbid each other). Only it's more like what you'd get if you went to the Martin Board and did started thread about the OFC Guitar or Ovations on Ebay, And they too would be offended. So the best thing we can do sometimes is show them how great it is to have Ovations in our lives.
I know it's a loose analogy, but please follow me down this path a little further. Imagine if '05 Collectors were freely given by Ovation to those who would believe in them? Would you accept it? What if if it was so good, that you didn't need to play any other guitar ever again? I think this is what drives so many people away from Christianity. Jesus is so good that we don't need anything else. We got it for free, we want everyone to have it too. Only there is only ONE GUITAR. Everything else is a cheap rip off, and many people are throwing there lives (eternally) away chasing things that cannot deliver the goods (be those religion, material posessions, relationships, whatever). The attitude we are supposed to have towards non-believers should make you want what we have (salvation through Jesus), not make you feel wrong for not believing. You know how closed minded some people can be about even picking up an Ovation, when they are looking at Taylors...
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Location: closely held secret | Very nicely put, Fred. Good job. :D
Dave, I would never belittle your beliefs - well, at least spiritual. No such promises concerning political, musical or anything concerning llamas...
Christianity on the horizontal level is about revealing the news of Christ, through our lives and our mouths, and not about forcing anything on anyone. Rather, the motive is care, as Fred put it so well. When you know something is the best, the truth, you want everyone to have a chance at it.
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Location: Upper Left USA | Dave,
Although Paul and Cliff did a marvelous job of trying to take the focus away from your comments and put the attention on you, you deserve an answer.
Responding in this forum will only accelerate the battle that is the basis of your frustration and pops up from time to time on this site. It takes little time to draw lines on this issue and it is all over the very values both sides embrace – the right of free will and choice.
Every one of us has a God. Some are named specifically and some are the ideal that we can choose not to honor a god (this is still a god).
Let’s take it off the board. I will email you and you can tell me to end the conversation any time you like. I will not just harass.
It’s good to ask questions and it is healthy to doubt and wonder.
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You got mail yet? |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Having lived a good chunk of life in Jersey/Philly area, I can't tell you how much I miss good Pizza.
Down here Vahginyah way, they just don't get it.
Al, could you send along a little something from Tuscana's with the guitar? Just not in the case. Mushroom and sausage would be fine. |
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I had to eat left-ova Pizza hut. I could really use a good Pie... I also like Chi-Pie, but I hear there's nuttin like the pizza in Joysey... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Pizza is non-existent in Phoenix. but what they do make, and is really good, is basically an "open face" quesadilla which is a tortilla covered with cheese, chicken, peppers, onions, then baked and covered with salsa. Very tasty. Dave |
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I can send you to some really good places in the area.
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Location: Omaha | StandingO...
...yours is a good and fair question, so let me offer another answer as to why Christians feel so compelled to "share" about their personal faith: another reason we do it is because that's what Jesus told us to do: he commanded us to "go...and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you." (Matthew 28:18-19)
Another biblical image that might help explain some Christian's 'weird' (by the world's standards) behavior of talking to people about their faith (like the guy who asked if you were a Christian - I know why he did that; churches are the primary sales outlet for electronic drums, because the drum volume can be controlled for a number of musical styles and situations - we use them in our church); is this image:
Christians are called "the body of Christ;" he is called our "head." Therefore, the body (when operating in a healthy way) does what the head commands and directs it to do; we are simply being Christ's agents/emmisaries/ representatives on earth, fulfilling his calling on our lives.
I apologize if this is Too Much Information, but I'm hoping it will at least help you have a better understanding of "where we're coming from," and then perhaps you can be somewhat forgiving of our enthusiasm (as long as we don't cross the line of being too pushy, obnoxious, etc.).
You've been more than patient with us...for that we thank you; and we hopefully will be the same with you (and with cwk2 for his comments about open golf courses on Easter morning; but he did make a humorous point! At least I thought it was funny; because its' so true...and I always consider it a good round if I come home with more balls than I started with...) |
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Location: SoCal | I was going to stay out of this (and more than you probably care to know) but...
I was baptized and confirmed, with very strong religious beliefs. I am Roman Catholic. And, I appreciate and recognize the Greek and Russian Orthodox.
I attempt to lead my life appropriately in words and actions. Not as proselyter but to lead by example. I have friends of a number of religions and beliefs. Within my direct ancestory, I have nine saints of the Greek and Russian Orthodox Church, Callimachus (as the Librarian of Alexandria) who had the Jewish scrolls translated into Greek becoming the foundation of the Old Testament, Helen of the Cross (wife of Aurelius Valerius Chloris Constantinius, mother of Constantine), Olga Svyatoslav of Kiev who introduced Christianity to the "pagan" lands, etc. Yet, my grandfather was a 32nd degree Mason, Henry VIII is a cousin, Hunneric of the Vandals is a grandfather, Aaron (brother of Moses) is a grandfather, etc.
However, when I am asked if I am a "Christian", I no longer know the definition of "Christian." Two thousand years ago, it had a narrow definition. Now, I have been told I am not a "Christian" if I am not "born again" and of that particular religion or sect. Take a poll, I really doubt if those on the OFC belong to the same religion and have the same doctrinal beliefs.
Don't misunderstand me...for those on the OFC that are using their gift of music in their worship services, as I did for five years in the early 1980's, I commend you. I encourage OFC'ers in their enthusiasm and their contribution to their faith. I also support the ability for them to discuss their music ministry.
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This is getting to be an all-purpose reply to all threads. |
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Location: NC | I will say this............any Christian faith tells of spreading the word of God. I am Baptist and while not trying to convert anyone I will invite them to our church and answer questions if they ask. When I said above about faith and spreading the word there are several references that tell of people to go and spread the gospel.
I believe actions and genuine concern through our day to day contact will do this without preaching to one.
Fact is............Jesus Christ died for our sins and by asking God for forgiveness and your sins and genuinally meaning it one will find peace and salvation.
I remember when I was 17 and feeling like I had no real meaning and breaking down and asking God to come into my life. Literally a ton of burden lifted from my heart. It was like a physical transformation and I try to grow spiritually stronger each and every day.
Am I still a sinner? YES, we all will be until the day we die. I still cuss when I get mad and ask for forgiveness afterwards. I try not to judge others but understand them. I rambled enough.............I am glad Jesus walks with me, I need someone to keep me straight! |
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Location: NJ | Here at work, instead of sick days, vacation days, etc., we have an annual "bank" of PTO (PersonalTimeOff) Days to do with what you wish.
Naturally, (with any good Corporation) there is a FORM that has to be filled out whenever you use these. I was just signing-off on a few for various members of my staff, and figured while I was at it, I'd fill one out for myself ahead-of-time for the Thurs/Fri. of the OFC Tour/Jam in June.
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Location: Upper Left USA | "PS - Why do I enjoy pissing gasoline on myself and then asking for a match."
The roar of the crowd? Are YOU picking on the Buddhists now Dave?
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Location: Warren, OH | It has been said that more wars and violence have occurred in the name of religion than any other cause. I truly feel that most if not all were really due to humanity's perversion of religion. Unfortunately, the fervor associated with religion is at an emotional level, and many simply put their brain into park, forgetting the teachings of their faith. Thus we have people flying airplanes into buildings and people killing others for their "god". |
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Location: SoCal | and, conflict and war has created the unification of individuals to tribes, tribes to countries; as well as development of inventions (some good, some bad.)
religion has played a part of it but economics has played a strong part in conflict...sometimes, religion is used as the justification.
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Location: Powder Springs, Ga. | Okay lets see if I can clear some of this up.
1. Biblical Christianity has NEVER been the cause of a war. However secular or religious Christianity has on many occasions for the last 2000 years. Do not get the two confused. They have nothing in common except name.
2. The god of the Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses etc is not the God of the Christians. There is one God and they don't know Him.
3. In response to Standingovation's comments on the top of page 4. You state that Christians are assuming that our beliefs are "better" then the ones they already have. That is far from the truth. We "know" our beliefs are better and since they come from God himself we know them to be 100% truthful. If you do not believe what God has said in His word then you are wrong. Sorry, I know it sounds harsh but that's the way it is. This is a free country and by right you can believe whatever you want, even if it's wrong but the laws of God are not the same as the laws of man. There is one truth, one God and one way to spend eternity with Him. Those of us that believe tell people about Jesus because we love them not because we want to show them we are right and they are wrong. Salvation is free because Jesus already paid the price for your sin when he died on the cross. Three days later he came back for 40 days to prove that he had the keys to death and hell. All one has to do is confess that they are a sinner (and we all are), repent (meaning to turn away from that lifestyle), ask Jesus to forgive you and make Him your Lord and Savior. Pretty simple eh?
Ten trillion years from now we will all be alive and the question is "will it be heaven or hell?" Whether you believe the gospel or not doesn't change the fact that it's true. My suggestion to you is this...ask God yourself. Say "Jesus if you are real show me". Be opened minded to the existence of truth. You are not an evolved monkey, you have a reason and purpose for being alive. Find it before it is too late. You have no guarantee of tomorrow. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Paul,
I'm with you on this one.
I have resisted commenting on this thread because I know my post would be truly inflammatory.
When humility, humor and the ability to HEAR and ACCEPT what is true for others, is lost to proving yourself right... people tend to stop listening to you anyway...so what's the point? |
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someone tries to sell a slothead the holy grail of Adamas guitars and I have to beg people to post on the thread.
An off topic threads gets a gazillion responses and only causes bad feelings between members.
I have to be honest. I asked miles to start an off topic section. He does not want to do it. I feel it is necessary because of the familiarity of this group.
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". . . what will they do in two thousand years?"
- Leon Russell they'll be laughing their feelers off. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | What I think is most unfortunate is the total lack of value a serious debate has today. I love a good debate for it's information value. No question that I have my opinions - right, wrong AND indifferent, I'm sure. But the first time someone says "Ok, THIS is how it is and if you feel differrently, you're wrong", the value is lost. It'd be great if we could all just "be friends" and respect other's wishes but you have to hear them before you can respect them. Discussion enlightens, everybody, whether it's about guitars, religion or politics. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Deleted my post to (hopefully) avoid any more responses. I sincerely appologize for starting this. I thought we were having good spirited debate here (like martin vs. ovation), but it turned hateful and prejudiced. That's too bad. Dave |
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Location: Vermont USA | He Lives, He Lives!
May this alone bring many blessings to you and your families today and everyday
Happy Easter Everyone
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That was the original post I did not mean to start such a problem. So to everyone I am deeply sorry. It wont happen again.
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To the executive committe: Bulletin Board should be split in three parts, anything ovation, 2, anything music and 3, anything else, like this. |
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Location: Powder Springs, Ga. | I sure hope you guys didn't get too offended. It was not my intension. However I will defend God if the need arises....and it did.
I see no reason for separate threads for off-topics. We're all adults here and can choose to read or not read whatever someone posts. I like to hear what others think, likes and dislikes, jokes and even politics. I think this is what makes the Ovation Fan Club one of the best E-clubs on the web. Just look around and see all the ridiculous sites out there. Those who choose to chat here are really a good bunch of men and women (yes even Al).
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Location: Vermont USA | That is so true I asked a question on the Acoustic guitar board about Ovations. And world war three began and they resorted to name calling. Then someone sent me here and sweet salvation. That is why I now own an O
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by LeftyThatPlaysRighty:
Nice to read that OFC has alot of believers. Lets live the life so that our actions and examples will lead those who do not yet beleive, over to our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. This is probably the single most offensive statement I have ever had the displeasure to read on this board, and is typical of you self-righteous god-botherers.
As a fellow human being I respect your inalienable right to belive in anything you choose to believe in. Please extend me the same courtesy and repect my right & the the right of millions of other athiests on the planet not to believe, and leave your preaching where it belongs, off the OFC. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Was it Voltaire who initially said "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."?
A constitutional right of Americans, no? That certainly applies to me in this instance because I am neither an athiest nor what I would think Mr Bentman would call a "believer" but have no issue discussing either. |
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Location: SoCal | Well the good thing about this thread is it got Temp out of the closet (no Cliff & Dave, not that closet). and back on the board. I'd say that it shows that even for athestist, religon can be a good thing.
My folks are born again Christians. Dad preaches it. Couldn't sell water to a man in the desert dying of thirst (but would be the first to go get the man). Mom lives it. People meet here and believe that their lives have been changed.
Let's stop preaching about it and start living it.
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by WeaserP:
Was it Voltaire who initially said "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."?
A constitutional right of Americans, no? That certainly applies to me in this instance because I am neither an athiest nor what I would think Mr Bentman would call a "believer" but have no issue discussing either. I have no issue disscusing religion, politics, sex, Michael Jacksons court case or the size & consistency of the dump I took this morning. It's just that I would choose not to discuss any of those subjects on this particular board. Apart from the dump, if anyone's interested. |
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Location: Orange County, California | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
typical of you self-righteous god-botherers.
This offends me. I'm not "self righetous" at all. In fact, as a fellow human left to my own devices, I fail miserably at being righetous. Unless someone randomly offers their life in place of mine, neither can anyone else in my eyes. I also cannot go around living up to anyone elses expections, as no one is perfect, right? |
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Location: Cicero, NY | GUYS! I'm EATING here!!! I'm begging you!!! |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by mtnbikerfred:
Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
typical of you self-righteous god-botherers.
This offends me.
Oh yeah, and the concepts of "righteous" and "self-righteous" are poles apart |
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Location: closely held secret | Serenity now, serenity now, serenity now.... |
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Location: Cicero, NY | (geez!...and meatballs no less...) |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
Oh yeah, and the concepts of "righteous" and "self-righteous" are poles apart Righteous: Trusting in God
Self-Righteous: Exhibiting pious self-assurance
Is that what you meant? |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by Waskel:
Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
Oh yeah, and the concepts of "righteous" and "self-righteous" are poles apart Righteous: Trusting in God
Self-Righteous: Exhibiting pious self-assurance
Is that what you meant?
Righteous; Virtuous, Law-abiding, moral - These qualities are not exclusive to believers or dependant on trusting in a deity or belief system.
Self-Righteous; Excessively conscious of, or insistent upon one's moral or religious uprightness - in my experience these qualities are often exhibited by persons who subscribe to organised belief systems
This is really not the place to pick a theological fight with me and I will not be drawn further. My email address is in the public domain if you feel the need to persue this further |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I'm laughin too hard to keep up |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
My definitions are absolutely secular and are not clouded by religious indoctrination
Uh-huh. I forgot, we're the biased, closed-minded ones...
food for thought: If you're right, what have we lost by being wrong? But if we're right... |
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Location: Scotland | Which part of "this is not the place" didn't you comprehend? |
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Location: closely held secret | All of it. Does that mean I have to believe it? |
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Location: Scotland | click |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Ok, I'm done eating now...hey...where'd everybody go? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | This is like a freaking relay race! Witko runs the first lap against stiff competition. Exhausted he nears the exchange zone. Uses his last bit of energy to delete his offensive posts and hands the baton to Templeman. Carry on my friend. And don't forget to fill us all in about that dump. Dave |
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Location: closely held secret | Right here, Weaz... How were your meatballs?
Not sure what I'll have for dinner...
How 'bout this ? |
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Location: WV | Man I get the feeling I missed something. I'm not gonna have to start reading this thread at the beginning am I? ;) |
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Location: closely held secret | Naw, Hydra. It's an old, old story. |
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Location: Scotland | Dave, it was a clogger, had to call the janitor, again. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Bob, you didn't miss anything. Just some mild banter about guitars. Dave |
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Location: WV | That's good. I hate it when I miss out on the playful banter :rolleyes: |
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Location: WV | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
Dave, it was a clogger, had to call the janitor, again. Our last Governor, Bob Wise, is a well known clogger. Part of his campaign was going to various parades and clogging down the street. Is he doing janitorial work now? |
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Location: closely held secret | I think Paul and I agree that we disagree - let's go back to insulting non-O guitars...
Isn't this the slip that comes with every Taylor? |
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Location: WV | Originally posted by Waskel:
I think Paul and I agree that we disagree - let's go back to insulting non-O guitars... Now we're talkin'. "Hey, there's a guy with a Gibson! LETS GET HIM !!!!!" :mad: |
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Location: Powder Springs, Ga. | I really need the laugh. Just got through watching "The Pride of the Yankees" and was feeling a little down. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | What an interesting thread, and not one mention of Boston Baked Beans. |
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Location: SoCal | til now. |
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | I think they ended up as a clogger didn't they? |
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | I'm really glad I was in a training session all day or I could have really gotten myself into trouble here. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Cloggers, floaters, mixers, clingons ... In the end it's all the same. |
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Location: Atlanta GA | Speaking of that...Who knows what the Star Ship Enterprise and Toilet Paper have in Common? |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Klingons / Cling ons |
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Location: Atlanta GA | OK that was too easy... So what does John Wayne and Cheap toilet paper have in common? |
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Location: WV | Neither one takes any sh--
C'mon you can do better than that! |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Jesus was an actual historical figure.
He was who he said he was...
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He suffered from mental illness...
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He was a con man...
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Location: Atlanta GA | No that's all i got... But if you want I'll go ask my 10 year old if he has any more. :-) |
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Location: Atlanta GA | OK... I tried to divert the thread but it won't die.. So I say let's just all pick a side and let go with a total free for all. My suggested rule would be that we all have to switch sides every 30 minutes. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Switch sides???
Does that mean Jeff will have to become "straight" :D or schroeder will have to cross the ocean :eek: or cruster will have to learn to play a "real instrument" with more than 4 strings :p |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Bongos are not a choice. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | :D |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | BTW...
How you liking the '55 |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | DEJA VU
Actually, better than I was expecting.
First impression was awesome but I was afraid once the newness factor wore off I would become a little less jaded and more critical.
After playing it for a little over a week, I believe it to be even better than I first thought.....mainly because the range of tones is much wider than I expected. Recorded tones (to my ears anyway) are indistinguishable from the real animal. Rock Strat, Blues strat, chickin pickin tele, rock tele.....all the sounds are there.
If only I could play as good as the riffs I hear in my head! :(
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | They haven't arrived yet...
Ordered them slow boat two days ago.
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Location: Los Angeles, CA | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
Jesus was an actual historical figure.
He was who he said he was...
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He suffered from mental illness...
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He was a con man...
...take your pick. Actually, there's another option . . .
He was misquoted/misinterpreted/misrepresented by his followers.
I've come to the realization that people can't be convinced one way or the other simply by reason. And convictions based on emotion can change pretty quickly.
It's the job of the Holy Spirit to change hearts (if you believe in that sort of thing). Us "pious, self-righteous" people are just supposed to ready to explain what and why believe with gentleness and respect. (Yes, I'm butchering a text in 1 Peter). |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | This thread started out innocent enough. People wishing other people a Happy Holiday. Nothing offencive, not on topic, but no real waste of bandwidth involved. No harm no foul. How did it go from Happy Easter and golfing to Religion and Politics I'll never know. BUT IT JUST STOPPED.
FROM THE TERMS OF SERVICE
This board is not intended to be a forum to promote any individual agenda be it from a single person, groups, or commercial or private entity. It is a private community of Ovation enthusiasts from around the world, encompassing a variety of backgrounds, ages, and interests. All opinions and discussions are welcome without fear of censorship, with the only "rule" being to be kind to each other. When said discussions and/or opinions become disruptive and/or repetitive and degenerate into personal agenda, we reserve the right to close threads, remove posts, and ultimately suspend participation.
This is a family oriented board, and as such hurling insults will not be tolerated. The offenders will be warned once and continuation of said behavior will result in the offenders account being suspended.
THIS BBS IS NOT INTENTED TO BY AN OPEN FORUM FOR ANY TOPIC. IT IS AN OVATION GUITARS FORUM. IT IS QUITE OK TO GO OFF TOPIC A LITTLE AS IN THE DIRECTION OF MUSIC, OR IF SOMETHING IS OF INTEREST TO MOST OF US. I AM SORRY IF SOME OF YOU ONLY BELONG TO THIS BBS FORUM AND NO OTHER. YOU ARE MISSING OUT AND MISSING THE POINT.
HERE'S A HINT.
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