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Location: NC | I am working out the infamous Eagles "Hotel California". Trying to get the melody down with timing and then doubling back and playing the rhythm through.
Does anyone else do this for pieces or do you choose one or the other?
I know the original recording or some performances have been done using five guitarist all doing a little something different each to get that piece to sound like it does.
Feedback welcomed. I also use my capo on the second fret and it is played in key of A by my book. Sounds good and is coming along somewhat. My guitar teacher wants to do a duo with either ither playing rhythm or melody together. |
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Location: south east Michigan | I spent an entire afternoon trying to record a rhythm track for "Something". Timing errors and tempo variations drove me nuts.
I brought this problem to the OFC and got some good advise from....heck...I think it was Miles but it might have been one of the Pauls...anyway....the wise person said "it's one thing to be IN time, but you also need to be ON time". It took some think time to get my head around that but now it makes sense. Before I always let the mechanical tempo of the guitar drive the song. But now I am trying to let the lyrics share in driving the song. I still need to tap my foot but I am find being a little loose is not a bad thing.
However...when recording it's hard to be loose in the same spot at the same time.
Perhaps on the same subject...in Elderlys latest catalog they have a little metrognome that fits in your ear. For 20 bucks it might be a useful tool. |
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Location: NC | Just bought the metronome as well with earpiece...........this I hope will help somewhat. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I'm really good at music, except for melody and rhythm. Other than that, I'v pretty much got it nailed. Truth is, I always record a metronome track and then just delete it in the end. Dave |
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Location: NJ | From playing drums when I was little, I've been fortunate enough to develop an "internal" metronome, and can't recall ever having having to use an ancillary piece of equipment or click-track, so I'm having a hard time relating to this . . .
ELX:
I believe that the song is in Bm.
If you're doing it in a "duo" arrangement, try capo-ing one of the guitars at the 7th fret. The combination of the capoed and an open guitar blend together really well . . . |
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Location: south east Michigan | BrianT and I play a few songs with one of us capoed. It does make two guitars sound much fuller. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | or have one guitar nashville tuned. Very nice effect. |
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Location: SoCal | With my lead player at church, we find that we normally and naturally are not at the same part of the neck at the same time. It gives the music body, texture. That's also the point about playing a Nashivlle or high string guitar. Or an electric with an acoustic. When two people play the same thing at the same place on the guitar neck, it just tends to sound muddy. |
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Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma | This last weekend I laid down three guitar tracks for Hotel California. 1st is the intro and moves into the rhythm (played on 1976 Balladeer). 2nd is Intermitten strummed (Nashville tuned 1982, 1611). 3rd is a picked melody (Legend). All were capoed at 2nd and played in Am... Next will be the lead insert. Being able to mix them at different levels is great... I used a click track for tempo once I got thru the intro... The next layer is the bass player to lay down his track... Layering different guitars played different ways is a really kewl way to get a deeply textured sound.. As you can probably tell, I've really gotten into recording on my Korg D1200... I really didn't know how much different stuff I could do until I started recording stuff and overdubbing... Enjoy the song... There's virtually an unlimited number of ways to arrange and play it... |
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Location: NC | Yes the sheet music I have is in A minor and capoed at the second fret which sounds good. Timing is the issue and will continue to work it out. Varying the chord strum from different patterns to get that effect.
Currently experimenting with:
/ /-/ /-/
D D U U D
Good thing about music is the varying ways to play it! |
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Location: San Bernardino, California | The chords I have for it are:
Intro
Bm,F#,Asus2,E,G,D,Em,F#
Melody
Bm,F#,Asus2,E,G,D,Em,F#
Chorus
G,D,F#,Bm,G,D,Em,F#
I think it's called B minor sixth scale.
B ,C#,D ,E ,F#,G ,G#,A ,B
P1,M2,m3,P4,P5,m6,M6,m7,P1 |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Sounds OK to me. Looking at the bigger picture, I have to say the rhythym player is more valuable to than lead. A good rythym player can make you look good when you play lead, but a crappy rythym guy will make everyone look shitty. As for getting the rythym down, nothing beats recording yourself, because when you play you are not really hearing that moment, but a little bit ahead. I read this on Matt Smith's website and it makes sense. An alternative thing is to play along with the origanal recording. |
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Melody & Rhythm