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Location: Peoria, Illinois | I am starting to notice that shallow (super shallow) bowl models are starting to vanish from the on-line retailers. Does this signal that the shallow bowl models are going away? Will the contour bowl be replacing what is currently offered? I realize that we will never know for sure what Ovation has in the pipeline, but it is fun to think about. Will there be shallow, mid and the current Deep Contour Bowl options? |
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Location: NJ | If I remember correctly from the last tour Rick Hall mentioned the shallow would be used on imports and not USA models |
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Location: SoCal | In the U.S. there should only be mid depth, deep, and eventually, contoured. I would guess that the deep (which is pretty well gone now except for special orders and the AD model) will be totally gone in the next couple of years. I've said since I first saw it, that the contoured bowl is the bowl of the future. In 5 years, most O's will come with that bowl (IMNHO). |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
I would guess that the deep (which is pretty well gone now except for special orders and the AD model)... Paul, the 2005 Traditional Series are all deep bowls - Custom Legend, Legend, Elite, Balladeer.
I agree with your projection - Contour Bowl will soon be the standard. It wouldn't bother me one bit if ALL the other bowls disappeared. In my opinion the contour bowl is the best new development since the adamas top.
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Location: SoCal | Dave:
Good point. Also, next year Ovation is talking about bringing back the original shiney bowl series (or at least some of them). |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Al's Right. That's what I heard. Though I imagine if someone wanted to special order one they'd probably make it for you. I'm more interested in seeing the return of the deep bowls and playing the contuor bowl as well. For the most part I don't imagine you'll see many USA made Shallow bowls at dealers for very much longer.Once they are gone-they're gone! |
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Location: Peoria, Illinois | So if I want a shallow bowl 12-string, now would be the time to buy?? |
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Location: SoCal | Supershallow bowl? Watch ebay or special order one. |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | It is possible that some dealers still have them on the wall. Best bet first chek ebay. There are some music Instrument dealers that have instruments there . They may still have some in stock. You can also double check places like music123.com, musiciansfriend.com, musiciansbuy.com. guitartrader.com,
or like Moody said just specialorder one. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | The supershallow bowls will go the way of silicone implants. Nice while they lasted, but now only available as imports. Dave |
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| Forgive my ignorance but are shallow bowl and super shallow bowl the same thing?
(And I LOVE my shallow bowl) |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Technically speaking the "Artist" bowl is the shallow bowl. Then along came the SUPER shallow bowl. The Artist pretty much disappeared and along came the MID depth bowl (very similar to the Artist). So naturally people started standardizing descriptions as "shallow", "mid" and "deep". So in this way of talking, shallow and supershallow are the same thing. Dave |
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Location: NJ | . . . just keep him away from your plumbing . . . |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | LOL!!Cliff strikes again!! :D |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by cliff:
. . . just keep him away from your plumbing . . . I would prefer "just keep him away from THE plumbing". |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Dave,
Maybe it's just my imagination playing jiokes on me but Don't you feel Sometimes like you're the victim of way too much abuse on this board??
Now that I think about it..It's got to be my imagination.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Ya know Steve, I think I only get about 1/2 of the intended jokes so it does not seem too bad to me. Any joke having to do with plumbing, I do deserve. What I did to Temps toilet was just criminal. Dave |
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Location: SoCal | You'd have to go a lot further than what happened for it to be classified as criminal on this board. |
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Location: SE Michigan | Here's a thought; a contoured shallow bowl. From what I've heard the contour bowl really adds to the sound without sacrificing comfort, it only seems logical that a shallow contour bowl could make a shallow-bowl sound all that much better. |
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Location: Scotland | Believe ne, when Witko takes a dump the shape of the bowl is hardly relevant. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | .....but depth most certainly would be. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | http://www.bigjohntoiletseat.com |
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Location: Tennessee | "Rated over 1200lbs".
Glad they didn't have any models in the ads. |
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| Jim,
I have a pretty cool little 12 string shallow bowel ovation I'm going to put up for sale later this month. If you’re interested, let me know.
It's a model 5858-ASW.
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Location: NW NJ | You know, I really love my 1868LX SS bowl. The sound with the LX enhancements is amazing. I use it mostly for plugged in stuff at church and it is a wonderful combination of comfort and sound. The comfort part is with respect to my own bowl, and the sound is magnificent plugged in. Of course, the only way to get one of those is to buy it overseas, Asia I think, or grab one of the FRGs here, which is what I did. It came pristine, mint, drop dead gorgeous.
For unplugged stuff I'll always use my 6778LX or 1778T - bigger acoustic sound. BUT ... even unplugged the 1868LX is light years ahead of non-LX SS bowls. I wish the mothership hadn't shot them in the U.S. :( |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I've never heard a SS 6-string that did anything for me. But for some reason 12-strings seem to hold up better as SS's. No idea why that is. Anyone else got the same opinion? I've got a SS Adamas/Elite hybrid 12-string that sounds incredibly good. Dave |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Perhaps it was a supply/demand sort of thing. If the ywer eselling more Mid-depth Bowls Here stateside that the shallow bowls. Then the logical step would be make available what you are selling more of. If someone wants a shallowbowl they can still get one as a special order.
so it all must come down to the ole marketing Supply/demand philosophy. just a guess though. |
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Location: Queens, NY | My understanding from last year's factory tour was that there would be no LX super shallow bowls in the US, but I think the "traditional" models will still have them. They're still listed on the Ovation web site and in the 2005 price list.
However, if the traditional models themselves are phased out down the road by the LX line, then the end result would be the same and the SS bowls will be history. I guess time will tell. |
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Location: closely held secret | I like my 1866 and 67 just fine, but I usually am either playing them plugged in, or am deliberately trying not to make too much noise. They're just so comfortable to play.
Like Robbie, I use my 6778LX for acoustic. |
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Location: NJ | ". . I've never heard a SS 6-string that did anything for me. But for some reason 12-strings seem to hold up better as SS's. No idea why that is. Anyone else got the same opinion? . . ."
Yup.
While I don't own a ShallowBowl6 (wish I did - for gigs), the one's that I've played in stores just didn't throw me. My ShallowBowlLegend12 however doesn't sound all that bad. Naturally, it doesn't have anywhere NEAR the bass response of my DeepBowlUltra12 or my Pacemaker (or the bass response the Pacemaker WILL have when I finish w/it), it does have a nice jangly, "harpsichordian" quality to it. Kinda like a oversized mando.
And you just can't beat the comfort of it . . . |
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Location: Peoria, Illinois | Cliff,
Good points about the shallow bowl. If I were to seek out an 1866 Legend 12 string, would I be buying old technology or a stable, well developed instrument that is not "the latest and greatest"?
I really enjoy the comfort factor of the shallow bowl. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by cliff:
I don't own a ShallowBowl6 (wish I did - for gigs You had your chance. Twice. |
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Location: NJ | ". . old technology or a stable, well developed instrument that is not "the latest and greatest? . ."
Jim;
For my purposes (predominantly playing to a bunch of drunks and at least two TV's), latest/greatest/bells/whistles/tuners/scalloped braces/toasted wheat underpinnings, etc., don't really enter into it. I'm pretty much looking for something that is reliable and bulletproof. The Legend12 that I got from Al (Thank You AGAIN, Al!) fits the bill outstandingly.
Dave;
I know, . . . . I KNOW!!
I STILL think about that StealthAdamas, but the money/timing just wasn't right (f*&%#$g alimony!).
Oh, well . . . |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | If the SS bowl is going away, just wait a few years for the Grand Reissue! |
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Location: Cherry Hill, NJ | The 1868T is a shallow bowl that made me a believer. It has such little cosmetic finish, that is is super light, and has a penetrating sound, unlike any shallow bowl I ever tried. An important attraction to the this shallow bowl is that it is very light. For us aging hippies, its a lot easier on the back, and plugged in it sounds great.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I thought this thread was getting back on track, after the diversion talking about Dave's toilet habits, but then I saw MSB's reference to his "shallow bowel." If that was intentional it was a little too subtle. I'm looking for a good shallow bowl, too. Mainly because I don't have one and I think I should. |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | There are still some out there. The latest musicians friend catalogue lists a 1861 Standard Balladeer for $699 including the Case.The ones you are dealing with now I would imagine are the leftover stock. You can also try Al to see if he has any. |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
Mainly because I don't have one and I think I should. LoL, Mark, I'll have to try that one on my wife next time we're in GC. |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Think it'll work?? If it does let me know and i'll give it a try. :) |
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Location: closely held secret | I'll have to work up a lot of courage to say it in a room full of blunt objects.
Or wear my tenners. |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Have you considered Full Body Armor? You might want to before you ask. :D |
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Location: closely held secret | Naw, Steve. Can't run worth beans in full body armor. |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | You're right of course.. I didn't think about that. maybe it's safer that you not mention it at all.. You might live longer. :D |
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Location: Fort Worth, Texas | My Legend 1867 is SS and I use it plugged in with the band. Very comfortable...
I know one of these days I'll be looking at an LX or 2005 Collectors or wiat for the contour bowl to be standard.
In the meantime my Legend is the workhorse and it performs.... |
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Location: closely held secret | Can't afford a Viper yet, but I can get some great tones out of my 1867 with my pedal. The notch filter keeps the feedback down. |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Waskel,
Whatcha bringing to the OFC tour? |
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Location: closely held secret | 6778LXNEB. My new favorite. :D |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Great Guitar. Wish I had one!perhaps one day when finances are right. yes.. One day! I look forward to meeting you at the tour. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Waskel,
Quit trying to be rational when dealing with your spouse. Mine buys stuff because it's on sale, not because she needs it. She collected teapots that never had any tea in them.
I tried to explain why I needed a 12 string as well as a 6 string, but she never really got it. We recently came to an understanding when I bought the Ultra GS and an amp on the same day. I didn't tell her about the amp! I needed a nonacoustic amp to go with the electric guitar, but couldn't think of an explanation that I thought she would understand. When she found out, she just said, "OK, now I get new carpet." If that works for her, it works for me. I'll trade one room for each new guitar.
She also admired my "collection" (a whole 4 guitars)last night. I hope this understanding doesn't cost me too much. |
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Location: closely held secret | I think the current rate is 1.62 guitars per room.
Amps are negotiable, but certainly not worth an entire room. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | That formula won't work if we downsize after the second kid leaves this fall. Works for now, though, because we have a big house.
I like the Ovation to Taylor ratio better. My 3 O's and one Applause still don't equal our friend's $2400 Taylor.
As I said above, though, logic doesn't work. When the next bout of GAS gets really bad, I'll play her "I'll Have to Say I Love You In a Song" and that will be good for a couple more. |
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Location: closely held secret | Yep, I like the OT ratio as well.
The guy I play guitar with in church is really competitive. When I got my original O, a 95 Ultra Deluxe, he bought a Martin. I bought a Strat, he showed up a couple weeks later with a $1600 Godin. Then about a year and a half ago I got my 1867. One week later he comes in with a $2200 Taylor. Recently I've acquired my 1866 and 6778. Now he says he's getting an HD-28 and an American Strat.
I've spent about $3400, play pretty much every day and am very happy. He'll be in for at least $8000, plays maybe twice a week and is always finding his guitars wanting in some respect.
Sad and hilarious at the same time. Sometimes I'm tempted to 'try' a new guitar from GC every week and see if he implodes.
But, of course, he's a friend and of course, that wouldn't be the Christian thing to do... |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Hey Tony!
Can you lend Waskel a small rotation of Special "O's". I want to see how far this can go! |
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Location: closely held secret | hehe. Thanks, Mike, but don't encourage me. I don't want to see the guy go bankrupt.
It would probably be enough to do him in if I just bring in catalog pages of "the next one I'm getting".
Funny, he sits and plays my 6778 and marvels at how nice it sounds, then blows 3 times as much on a guitar that sounds only marginally better acoustic, and can't touch mine plugged in.
Ah, well... |
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Location: NW NJ | I'm with Waskel. I think that the 6778LX (especially NEB - I can't stop looking at it ...) is the best U.S. guitar value in the business. Well that and the 1778T. Different sounds, but exceptional guitar for the dollar ratio.
I've boiught and sold a bunch of axes looking for the one(s) that speak THROUGH me. I can't imagine ever letting the 6778LX-NEB leave the stable. It speaks in languages that only my soul understands ... :cool: |
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Location: Peoria, Illinois | 12-string s-shallow bowl update:
Went to my local GC yesterday. They looked "in the chain" and came up with one 1866, condition unknown. A call to the Mothership was made and I was told they have one left, in Natural. Nothing else out there in the cyber world. So it looks like, at least for now, it is discontinued. |
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