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Location: NJ | My thoughts are with our brethren AcrossThePond.
Hope that Friends and Family are Safe.
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Location: closely held secret | My feelings as well, Cliff. I was thinking about Schroeder on my way into work this morn. |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Anyone been in touch with our friends over there? Is everyone ok?
Not sure how close Master Temp lives to London, but he was first on my mind when I heard the news this morning...wish I had a phone # to call.
Peace to all... |
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Location: New York, NY | Our hearts go out to our friends in the U.K.
I hope everyone is safe. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | I would only imagine that those thoughts are backed by all OFC'ers across the globe. Our prayers go out to all victims of terrorism everywhere. Astonishing to think that it was intentionally timed to coincide with the G8 which, among other topics, is set to discuss African starvation. I know my God would never sanction that type of sensless barbarism |
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Location: Snellville, GA | My heartfelt sorrow goes out to our friends in Great Britain and specifically the London area. God be with you. |
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| Thank you all - Lady S is safe and well even though the nearest bomb was just a couple of minutes away from her office. It's amazing - her sister worked in the building right next to the Trade Centre and was taking a long weekend at Cape Cod on 9/11.
We're only a 25 minute train-ride from the centre of London here, so the sirens were going all day as police/paramedics were called in to help. It's like the IRA are back.
When you consider that 4 of the bombs went off in deep, deep tunnels it's a miracle that the toll wasn't in the hundreds or worse. It obviously wasn't for lack of trying on Al Qaida's part. No doubt they are dancing in the streets somewhere again tonight.
One of the comforts of faith is that I get to believe that those guys will burn in hell.
Ex-Mayor Guiliani was in town and close to the first explosion - he spoke very well on radio, the right words at the right time. Very impressive I thought.
Be careful out there. |
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Location: NJ | Rudy's the Best!!
. . . AND he's capable of staying upright on a bicycle . . . |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | My thoughs and prayers are with all of our freinds in the UK. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Briefly, I remember 9/11 when the governor sent us home from work. I went out into the streets ... people walking, army trucks full of soldiers ... humvees zooming around, helicopters chopping overhead, low flying f-15s ... I went down to the waterfront just after the collapse of the WTC and saw smoldering smoke throwing debris and papers into the sky, raining down in Brooklyn ... you knew the smoke contained the burnt remains of people ... I rode my bicycle home and got my wife and we went back down underneath the Brooklyn Bridge ... I saw the refugees from manhattan shuffling across the Brooklyn and Manhattan bridges, making their way to brooklyn ... boats came up to the waters edge and we helped people off the boats ... they were covered with soot ... there was no panic and everyone behaved with dignity ... other friends have other stories and some have no stories to tell because they are dead. You'd never think it would happen here. I feel for the people in London, it's so horrible. |
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Location: Rego Park, NY, | I just left a message at Paul Templeman's website asking if everyone is okay. I asked Paul to post a message to let us know if he is safe.
Hope to hear from him soon. |
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Location: SoCal | Paul lives up in the northern part of the country and should be fine. But it would be good to hear from him. |
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| "But it would be good to hear from him."
The problem is, like 9/11, it's the business capital and every day thousands of people are in the city for maybe the only time in a year. We have a friend at church who lost a grandson on 9/11 who lived/worked in Washington and was at the Trade Centre for a meeting. It would be good if everybody checked in. |
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Location: SoCal | I just got off the phone with Temp. He's 300 miles from London and fine. But the bad news is that his car is in London being repaired, and knowing his luck, it's in little pieces right now. |
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| Unless he has his car fixed in the equivalent of Manhattan that is inlikely. :D
Jerome - I have tried 3 times to email you but the board keeps returning an error message. Your email to me came through twice, so maybe you have received mine. If not - thank you for the message. |
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Location: NJ | ". . and knowing his luck, it's in little pieces right now . ."
. . . and from the story that Temp told me about that car . . . he's better off if it is . . |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Glad to know Paul T. is safe. Thanks, Paul M. |
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Location: Scotland | Hey guys, thanks for your concern. I'm fine & good to know the other Brit OFC activists are OK too, especialy as they're a LOT nearer than me. The really scary thing is that this could have been dirty bombs. |
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Location: NJ | Templeman is many things . . .
. . . "safe" ain't one of 'em . . . . |
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Location: Fort Worth, Texas | As cliff first said, our thoughts are with our brethren.
From a BBC article:
"The Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, said he had joined with Muslim leaders in condemning the attacks during a visit to West Yorkshire.
"Such solidarity and common purpose is vital for us all at this time of pain and sorrow and anger," said Dr Williams."
Solidarity and common purpose sounds good to me. |
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada | I too, am glad our English pals are safe and accounted for. My thoughts and prayers go out to those that were not so fortunate.
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Paul Wag:
From a BBC article:
"The Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, said he had joined with Muslim leaders in condemning the attacks during a visit to West Yorkshire.
"Such solidarity and common purpose is vital for us all at this time of pain and sorrow and anger," said Dr Williams."
Maybe they could start by condemning the Muslim clerics in Britain that advocate this cowardly crap. |
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Location: Evansville,IN | I have always been a firm believer in Karma. "What goes around, comes around". These heathens will get theirs, sooner or later. It just ain't right to hurt innocent people. The God I believe in will get them in the end. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | While I try to let my beliefs carry me onto higher ground with you GC, there's no doubt part of me would like to make their end come a little quicker than most. Senseless deaths of men, women and, most of all, the children really get my dander up in a hurry.
God speed to the innocents. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I would have no problem at all killing a terrorist. When they finally get these bastards and stick them in the chair I personally volunteer to throw the switch. With pleasure. Dave |
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Location: Anchorage, Alaska | The problem is, is that we already have a bunch of them, but the only thing happening is our young men and women are being tried and convicted of not treating these bastards nice enough. Yea, the exact same one's that have been cutting the heads off inocent people... |
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Location: NJ | I think it will take more than an act of terroism to get PT. He is rather resilient |
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Location: SoCal | Well, if I must, I must.... |
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Location: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida | Our prayers do indeed go out, to ALL the victims of the Terrorists...
Glad to hear, the lead punter, slide guitarsman, from the Wankers OFC Band, is still fook'in, kick'in...
I was 2 feet to the right of that poor Applause when he connected... I will never forget that moment... it is burned into my soul...
(Slipkid I liked your pronouncication of Master Temps favorite word... I think, that's how you spelled it)
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Glad to hear evryone is ok. |
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Location: Evansville,IN | Originally posted by Standingovation:
I would have no problem at all killing a terrorist. When they finally get these bastards and stick them in the chair I personally volunteer to throw the switch. With pleasure. Dave I totally agree with you and WeaserP. I would not have any qualms about killing these terrorist, whatsoever, but it's not up to me.
You're right it does tend to make me more, and more angry that they don't do something with them quicker. Why feed and house them for years. I feel deep down that if you are found as a terrorist, it should be an automatic death sentence. :mad: |
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Location: Birmingham. U.K. | i totally agree with you Grilledcheese the only problem here is that here in the UK we have no death penalty and therefore end up having to pay for 25 years (if your very lucky) of upkeep for the bastards. |
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Location: East Tennessee | Better a car than an Ovation. :cool:
Our prayers are with those in England and all the innocent victims of these cowards. :mad: |
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Location: Ohio | And now that we're talking about killing terrorists, how about the bastards who have been molesting and killing our kids right here at home. How about that guy in Idaho who just got caught alive. How could that happen. He is a career child molester and murderer. How did he get caught alive?
Again, glad to hear our friends across the pond are safe.
See how you all get me dander up! LOL |
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Location: Midland, MI | Revenge, at first though sweet,
Bitter ere long back on itself recoils. - John Milton |
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Location: Germantown, MD | Cruster and John Milton got it right. Throughout history, force has done nothing more than create an excuse for more force. |
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Location: SoCal | Revenge is often an irrational response.
Irrational response is rarely successful.
Force, however, is not necessarily revenge. The statement that the use of force begets more force may be true in some cases but throughout history, security has been effected by awareness, preparedness, security, and (when necessary) men-at-arms.
Aggressors are rarely rational, debate or concession are rarely effective. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | This isn't Home. It will never be right.
But you still need to try. |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Let me add my support and condolences to our brothers and sisters in London. I'm glad to hear that everyone on the OFC family is OK. Watching the images on TV brought back some awful memories of 9/11/01. I agree with those who want to see the terrorists killed, but unfortunately, they believe that it's an honor to be a martyr. It only strengthens their resolve. This mess in Iraq is proof of that. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Well said, Tony. I'm in complete agreement with security and discussion at all times, force when necessary. And John, you're also correct which is why this is a more difficult fight than we typically find ourselves in. I think that resolve and global unity against terrorism will prove to be the only source of resolution. |
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Location: SoCal | John, I'd be happy to "honor" as many of the terrorists as possible. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | as I once heard a great person say, "Kill the Motherfuckers" Sort it out later. |
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Location: East Tennessee | As posted by MWoody;
This isn't Home. It will never be right.
But you still need to try.
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Location: Barnoldswick, England | Thanks, you guys, for sending your messages to us here in the UK.
Your sentiments of what should be done to the bombers are echoed here by many people.
But I can't help believing that terrorism will never be stopped by simply bringing those responsible to justice, because there will always be someone else to take their place and the violence will never end.
What we need to do is solve the problems at the root of all this, otherwise innocent people of all nations will go on getting killed.
It's too huge an issue to go into here and I have no simple one-line answer to it (unlike cwk2's quotation!). Except maybe that hate never solved anything.
We've had terrorism and bombs here in the UK since the early 70s, from the IRA. While many, many US citizens sent their condolences, there were others in the US who funded this and similar organisations - and the violence continued. When is it OK for innocent people to die? It all depends on your personal viewpoint and religion, perhaps. |
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