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| Why would a company like Kaman Music let a hack bass (Nikki Sixx) player in one of their ads, let alone let him design a Bass guitar?
Kaman Music, always bottom feeding. No pun intended...
I guess when your career is 20+ years over the only company that will give you any digs in Ovation and Kaman Music., Why... they're cheap and not hip any more.
Sorry Charlie, but the bean counters just knocked your vision down another notch by cutting corners on good ad work and finding up and coming artists that kids today actually care about... what does this ad do for Ovation/ Kaman? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Welcome. I see that this is your first post. Nice to have you on board. Dave |
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Location: Detroit area | Nice name - tell us how you REALLY feel... Welcome to the board. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | You seem to have answered your own question...
Welcome to the board. |
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Location: NJ | While I'm sure that Kaman appreciates you wishing them "success" . . . . I think you might have mis-spelled it. |
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Location: Detroit area | Nicely done Cliff. |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | OK. While it's been discussed here before about Artist endorsements etc. for advertising. I have no problem with them using nikki Sixx or whoever they want for print. As far as I'm concerned as long as Ovation makes print I'm happy they are getting exposure. attacking The company because you disagree with them does'nt help or solve anything. :mad: |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Nikki Sixx is obviously being used because he is part of that hot property known as Motley Crue. Why they're hot again confuses the hell out of me but open your eyes - the boys are everywhere.
Tommy Lee's Back To School reality show is set to begin and Vince Neil seems to have never left the public eye whether it's for whining about having no career anymore, punching somebody out for no reason or MTV's reality show. And now they're back on tour. A shameless scream for attention? Absolutely but no matter how you look at it - they're back in a big way.
For Kaman to take advantage of that by buying Sixx (cheap) is a stroke of brilliance in my opinion. The Crue definitely has an audience again so why shuldn't Kaman jump on?
Oh, yeah, and good to have you here too. I've noticed a huge shortage of uninformed and misguided foolishness lately. |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Artists that kids care about? Yeah, I agree!
How about a Britney Spears signature model. They can make it look pretty and sound like crap. |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by WeaserP:
Oh, yeah, and good to have you here too. I've noticed a huge shortage of uninformed and misguided foolishness lately. Ditto. My feelings exactly. Welcome, junior. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | You guys complaining about my uninformed and misguided foolishness? I'm almost through caring about what the kids care about. I think my oldest may be getting over Korn and Slipknot. The last time I listened to her music was when I had to move her car and couldn't figure out how to shut off the CD player, where some guy just kept shouting "Star F--kers" at me. I asked her if her boyfriend was going to play that for her at her wedding like I played "Wedding Song" and "Beautiful" for her mom at ours.
I know. When I was a kid I listened to some trash, too. Fortunately, Ovation picked people like Jim Croce then. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Hey Kamansuckass, where did you get that att-a-tude? If I were to guess you sound like an unhappy employee. But then again, if you were you'd know that the Beaners (that's slang for accountants, not to be confused with a racial slur) don't call these shots, it's the marketing people. Not that I have an opinion on them but I think perhaps you're being a little generous?
On the factual side I think Nikki has played Hamers for 10-15 years so this isn't new. As far as running an ad with him instead of somebody new, up and coming, etc.... well that's all marketing and on that note,
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Location: Cicero, NY | Don't misunderstand, Mark, I'm not necessarily agreeing with the use of Sixx as a stand up corporate spokesperson nor am I saying that it's not trash (in fact I've always thought the Crue was garbage). What I am saying is that the Crue does have an undeniable audience and Kaman is reaching that audience through Sixx regardless. If Kaman can reach an audience that is that big and do it at a reasonable cost, why wouldn't they? |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
You guys complaining about my uninformed and misguided foolishness? Not at all. It's what we love about you. :D |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Weaser and Waskel,
I was being sarcastic in print again, even though I know it doesn't come across well. What I really wanted to respond to was Mr. "...sucksass" comment about paying attention to what the kids today really care about. Now, that's important. Body piercing and tattoos. Maybe all O's should come tatooed with nose rings.
I didn't know who Niki Sixx was when I saw the ad and didn't care when I found out. If he was from a different era, I'm glad I missed it. |
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Location: Norman, OK | Cliff,
Thank you for re-affirming what prompted me to join this forum.
LMAOROTF, :D
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Location: closely held secret | Mark... I know it was sarcasm. So was mine. :D
Or was it irony. I get them confused. No, no, I'm sure it was sarcasm. Irony would have been if your daughter had answered 'yes'. |
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| Your just not worth the time my foolish friend. |
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Location: closely held secret | north, you're gonna have to be more specific than that. |
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| I was utterly disgusted the first time I clicked on the web page and found Nikki Sixxxxx staring back at me.
Slight over reaction though, don't you think?
And they are making a big deal out of Kaki.
Over here they put WAY more effort and serious competitive pricing into Takamine. It's been mention before (by me, many times) that you guys would not believe what they charge for US Ovations here and there isn't a single full range dealer. And now they've got a distributor (different from the guitar distributor) for Genz Benz I emailed them about an amp, they told me they didn't have one, didn't know if they were going to get one and offered me the one they do have for a higher number of pounds than you pay in dollars LIST in the states. Possibly they ship them over first class on the QEII, at least that would explain the price. All in all I think the marketing (as opposed to the products) sucks.
Anyway, welcome to the board sucksass, can't wait for your next post. |
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| NO.... not really.
Anyone who joins a group like this to simply try and offend it's users does not deserve even this much atttention.
The worlds full of fools. I used up what time and patience I had for them, from the few I delt with already today. |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by schroeder:
they told me they didn't have one, didn't know if they were going to get one and offered me the one they do have Huh? Pain killers? |
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| They told me they didn't have the one I was interested in....
I apologise profusely and would not have you blacken the name of prescription drugs on account of my stupidity. |
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Location: closely held secret | s'ok. I was just confused. |
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| Pain killers? |
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Location: closely held secret | Possibly just dementia.
Time to go home and rest. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | See, we had a couple pages of fun, went back and forth across the ocean and continent, all over a petty complaint about Niki Sixx. Maybe the marketing approach is to go with four letter names where the third letter is K.
I don't have any desire to listen to Niki, but Kaki seems to have a ton of talent. I don't know that she made me want to buy another Ovation, but I sure was inspired to practice on the ones I have. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Oh, come on Randy, He's got a great name!
I can't wait for his next post. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | I'd offer to help him with that next post but it might end up being slightly uncomfortable every time he coughs.
(And I recognized your sarcasm as well, MIB, and probably should have noted it as it is one of the things I enjoy about most of the posts here in OFC-land) |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Yeah, when it comes to user names that's a pretty good one. I suspect this has opened pandora's box and soon we'll see posts from these e-steamed new members:
Roundbacksblow
Alisacrook
Plasticsmashstic
Allcelebssuck
Trollsrule
Notupperwareforme
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | cwk2, you think there's going to be another post???? Can you say T-R-O-L-L???? He wanted a reaction, he got it. We here all know the truth about Ovation guitars and how good they are. Marketing does what they do, we may not agree, but that's OK.....those great guitars just keep on comin'.....
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Location: Anchorage, Alaska | Mr. Suckass-
Your village called and said they are missing their idiot. Maybe you should go back... or change your name and come back and enjoy some fun banter between OFC members and some great information exchanges. |
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Location: Evansville,IN | If it looks like a troll, acts like a troll, and talks like a troll. Chances are pretty good it's a troll. It's just like most trolls, starve them with no attention and they will die. :rolleyes: |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I commend you all for the adult behavior....
The troll has left the building....... :p |
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Location: N.J. | Hi all. I know this is my first post but I have been a looong time lurker here and I really feel I needed to respond to the whole "artist endorsement" thing :rolleyes: . I can remember years ago picking a Hit Parader or Circus magazine and reading the polls about who is the "best" for guitar,vox,etc.. and always finding it ridiculous. HOWEVER,I would go down to the local mom and pop store and see all the guys picking up all these instruments just because the Hit Parader guys played them so they MUST be good! I cant tell you how many errr, debates, I had about Wasburn vs. an old Fender or Gibson :D . I guess my point is I'm glad Nikki is getting out the Ovation name and not someone else. There will always be some kid who pick one up because of that and thats like discovering plutonium by accident ;) ! Doesnt really matter who the player is as much as the sound and the quality of the instrument. :p . If your playing in front of hundreds of thousands of people {as he currently is},thats great exposure for a whole new generation of "O" players. |
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| Hey Al.... was that you????????????
Man your gonna have a hard time getting deals at the factory with a new user name like that one!
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Sleepy Eyes.....welcome to the club and glad this thread brought you out of lurking!
Now, don't be a stranger and participate with regularity so we can eventually ridicule you without feeling bad about it :D |
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Location: Paris/France | As you already know, my English is not so good as your.
That's why I bought 2 month ago a new French/English dictionary. A big one. More than 1300 pages and 1.5kg!! I thought that I've made a good deal but I'm not sure today!! "Kamansuckass" is not inside... It's a steal!!! :mad:
I've finally understood that it's surely a name composed with several words. So I've looked one more time in my big and heavy dictionary.
- Kaman: Not inside but I can suppose that It's the genius who have reinvented the guitars during the 40 last years isn't it???
- Suck: It's written "sucer", "pomper", "aspirer" so I can also understand this word.
- Ass: my dictionary says: "Idiot" ou "Ane". Too easy for me...
But It still difficult for me to understand these 3 words together. I've told to me: "Jérôme, this guy is surely a poet and his name should be very fresh..." ;)
I'm so happy to see that you have also some poets in USA!!!
In France, we had a nice band doing "rap music" (the favorite music to my ears... :rolleyes: )and who's called: "Nique ta mère"...(N.T.M). Something like:"F... your mother". Very poetic for a band name???
It seems to be the same poetry as our new member K.S.A!!!
If you want to change your name in the next future, I've got some french proposition for you: "Têtedecon" ou "Crétindesalpes". Very poetic and fresh too...You can trust in me. :D
Welcome aboard K.S.A!!! |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Actually I never thought he'd post a second time, it has all the smell of a driveby. |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | hey Sleepy Eyes Welcome! Glad you decided to stop lurking. Loved your outlook and look forward to reading more from you.It's always great when you stop lurking and start participating. Don't be a starnger. |
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Location: Minden, Nebraska | It wasn't that long ago that Gibson released the Nikki Sixx Artist Signature bass with great fanfare. Their marketing must suffer from the same problem. |
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Location: Orlando, FL | Yeah, Gibson probably has troulbe findiing endorsees. :) |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Especially that now they've sued Elderly Instruments for carrying other mandolin brands besides theirs....Gibson has been full of smart marketing moves the last couple of years.
Yes, the original post had all the smell of a drive-by.....I agree.
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Location: Malden, Massachusetts | Please be advised that "Kamansucksass" looks alot like "KarmannG" at first glance.
Please don't confuse us.
I find more fun in watching all of us "drift" off- topic.
I have no idea what this guy's point is. I don't think we would drift so far as to comment on Kaman's marketing strategies - unless, of course, we saw something we liked. |
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Location: NJ | ". . No just trouble finding new marketing guys, they change them frequently . ."
Who do I send my resume to?? |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Originally posted by cliff:
". . No just trouble finding new marketing guys, they change them frequently . ."
Who do I send my resume to?? You'd have my vote. |
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Location: N.J. | Thanks for the warm welcome. I just realized though that in my post I wrote "I'm glad Nikki is getting out the Ovation name and not someone else"... Err... that SHOULD have read "I'm glad Nikki is getting out the Ovation name and not someTHING else" :D That really puts things ito a better perspective. Thats what I get for posting way after my bedtime ;) |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Marketing guys make those kind of mistakes all the time. |
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Location: Malden, Massachusetts | Originally posted by cliff:
". . No just trouble finding new marketing guys, they change them frequently . ."
Who do I send my resume to?? I believe that's "To whom do I send my resume?"
Nyuk, nyuk |
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| This Board is great!! and I second the drive-by.
Thought this thread would die.... and whimper a coward's death.
but hey new friends come out of hiding and in defense.
and we all still have fun.
p.s. I was a marketing guy but I made it to old and now I just make pizza.
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Cliff, you can send it to Henry in Nashville. You'll probably even get the job. What I would suggest is that you just get a hotel room, don't move there. Nobody lasts that long. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Hopefully the legal guys that decided to sue Elderly are in that bunch, too. Trying to restrict a dealer from selling any other brand except yours is a loser of a strategy. It says a lot about the (lack of) confidence you have in your products.
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Location: Mt Clemens, MI USA | When Motley Crue came out I loved them. They were hungry and passionate and real. After the second album they sold out and have been horrible and only gotten worse ever since. They have been horrible for almost twenty years now. I can’t stand them. I too was irritated at having that hack Six in the ad….”A legend among bassists!” I think when they broke, the producers didn’t even want him on the albums because he could hardly play. Thus Six to me is an insult to Ovation and that kind of pisses me off as an Ovation fan. Anyway, the ad has always bugged the hell out of me. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | I hate to stick my neck out, but I think it was good to have six in an ad. Most people in the world are not as profound as OFC members. Looking at it from the view of a kid looking for an acoustic/electric bass it was a good ad. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | The timing was correct since they just embarked on a massive (and succesful) tour. Ovation was exposed to a TON of potential buyers easily influenced by their hero. |
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Nikki sixx ad... Can you say why?