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Location: NJ | There is a tenative date of Friday September 30th for a gathering of all original Adamas slothead owners at the factory in New Hartford, CT.
Rick Hall and I have brainstormed many ideas to make this event speacial. The slothead Adamas guitar is the "holy grail" of the company and with the 30th anniversary a gathering of owners of the original instruments is a must.
Some of the ideas thrown about were photographing all guitars, and the group of owners. A special dinner event, plaques and other commerative items, an invitation to the namm show and the anniversary party. etc.
Bill Kaman will give a special Q and A session about the instruments and all owners will have a chance to talk about their instrument, how they obtained it etc.
Please e me at alpep@aol.com if you are interested in attending. I know that this is a small select group of owners but this event is a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Also contact me privately if you have any questions or concerns.
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Location: NJ | Count me in, Al!
Just lemme know as soon as you can how "firm" that date is (shut up, Witko!!).
I've got a gig scheduled for that night, and I'd like t'give as much advance notice as I can on the cancellation . . . . |
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Location: south east Michigan | That's Fantastic News!!!!!
Now all I need is an original Adamas! :( |
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Location: NJ | Hurry Up, Brad . . . Time's Runnin' Out! . . .
Colin's still got that one For Sale in Georgia . . . . and you CAN live a perfectly normal life with just one kidney . . . |
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Location: Burbank | This may be a dumb question, but I was looking in the refernce section about the slot-heads, and it says:
As you may know, starting in the fall of 1976, twenty-six prototype Adamas guitars were released to select artists and dealers. These first 34 guitars are very unique and sought-after instruments that forever changed the Acoustic guitar world.
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Location: NJ | The first 26 were prototypes.
The subsequent 34 were the SlotHeads that went to the artists/dealers . . . |
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Location: NJ | I e-mailed Jeanette about this.
Her response was:
". . Be careful – it might be a plot to acquire back all of the original Adamas guitars and make pod people out of all of you . ."
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Location: Burbank | Thanks Cliff, any idea what happened to the 26 proto-types? Are they good or too experimental |
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Location: NJ | I believe Samova's got a couple lyin' around that he uses to dry towels on . . . .
Bill uses one to prop open the cellar door . . . .
The few that I've seen pics of were pretty raw . . . shitty (if any) paint . . . hand-cut access doors taped in place so that you go can back in and shave the errant brace . . . Sam'd know . . . |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I think someone (Sam or Bill maybe) once commented that the 26 protos were not all full guitars. Maybe 26 soundboards. Some had necks, some had bowls, some had god knows what kind of frankenstein parts attached to them. I think none of them actually had slotted headstocks. The only real "slotheads" were the 34 pre-production ones + whatever kinds of Dadi conversions and Adamas II wanna-be makeovers that jealous owners of non-slotheads attempted. Dave |
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Location: NJ | playing phone tag at this moment.
I called him monday he was out.
spent time at jury duty yesterday and forgot.
spent time with my mom in the hspt called and got voice mail.
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Just wish the 2100 mile road trip was! :rolleyes:
I'll hafta run it by the "financial advisor".
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Colin, you gotta come, nice time of year up here. Get a ride with Sam.
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I sent you an e mail please respond or send me one at alpep@aol.com
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| Hey Al...... Nice event your planning here. Once in a lifetime stuff. I am not lucky enough to own one of these beautiful guitars and have no intension of crashing the party, but I am wondering if perhaps you would make one of the many group photographs you will take of these great guitars available to the rest of us? Sell it through the store perhaps?
Also I have not seen any more mention of the OFC guitar. Am I correct in thinking this new guitar will be made similiar to these great old slotheads with electronics? If so I think I may have to force myself to find a way to get one.
By the way That Hamer 8 is beyond my expectations! There are some craftsmen & perhaps Women working in the Hamer factory. Well done! It was a pleasure doing this transaction through you.
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Location: NJ | OK Sept 30th is confirmed.
There is some really cool stuff planned. I suggested to Rick that the guitars that show up get put on the laser vibrometer to see if they changed in any way and that the guitar owners get the readout to take for themselves.
There are plans to photograph all the guitars and owners in attendance. My plan is to complete a history of the Adamas book so eventually everyone will get to see all the photos. I may even get a calendar together but we will see what progresses.
Looks like we will use the Homewood suites in windsor lockes and those flying in want to go to Bradley airport.
please make sure you send me your names addresses and phone numnbers so I can provide them in advance.
keep in touch more info to follow.
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Location: NJ | Cool!
In lieu of the expense of the hotel, I'll probably end up driving up at Crack O' Dark that morning . . . .
Once things are a bit more "established" Al, lemme know what time I need t'be at the Factory so I can plan travel time accordingly . . . .
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Location: south east Michigan | Al....I would be interested in some photos for the calender if you are not going to use them.
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Location: Decatur,Ga. | And then there's this one which will be finished by the 30th. Sam has barricaded me in the shop with nothing but sandpaper and my will to live. I hear the occasional bird chirping outside...or maybe that was a whip cracking!!!
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Location: NJ | Agreed.
If ANYONE can reach a new "high" in "low" it's US, dammit!!
Al;
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it is my understanding that hector no longer owns his guitars.
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Don't hold your breath... |
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Location: NJ | Here is the information on the hotel.
I am trying to get in touch with the person for a special Kaman rate.
Homewood Suites by Hilton® Hartford/Windsor Locks Compare Hotel
65 Ella Grasso Turnpike
Windsor Locks, Connecticut, United States, 06096
1-860-627-8463
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| Ohh My God those guitars are beautiful! No doubt these were, and will always be, the very best Instrument Ovation ever made! You guy's enjoy this! I am sure the Factory will! nice event Al! Well done!
I sold my doubleneck Rickenbacker. I may be able to put myself on the list for one of the OFC guiars. Perhaps not as good as an original, but about as close as I will come to owning one of these. (not that anyone actually cares now that I read this but) I thought I would mention how much I appreciate these rare guitars and how lucky you guy's are to own one! Besides I want to be more like Cliff.
Peace! Love! Dope!
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Location: Studio City, California, USA | Hello,
extremely nice guitar. How much would one those go for if for some out of this world reason one would come up for sale?
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Colin
Just a little nostalgia, I spent some years from around 1947 til' 1953 farming with a IH Farmall cultivision A, the IH cub was a tiny version of that as I recall. We did a lot of custom combining with an IH combine powered by a 4 cylinder Continental engine towed behind our modified Farmall A (Big wheels, hydraulic seat, tampered governor, etc). When not doing custom work, my brother and I took the Farmall A and worked some local Threshers hauling in sheaves and working our asses off either in the loft forking straw or hauling bags of grain off the discharge into the granaries (straw came out of one end of the thresher and grain out the other at extreme quantities when they got the thing cranking off the big Case tractor power take off), and enjoying ample threshing dinners prepared by the wives of the threshing crews. We worked some udders 7 days a week also as dairying was what we lived off of, no llammas only cows that we entertained with our first attempts at country and bluegrass that we had to play in the barn as our parents were fans of orchestras and jazz.
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Bailey,
Thanks for that. I like ALL the "old iron", but I am partial to IH since I own 4 of their garden tractor models.
Back on topic...
Been a major change in plans. I won't be making the trip to the Mothership with #45 this month, but I am going to send it up for the event.
If Rick Hall reads this, please get in touch with Kim. We've talked and he wasn't sure if I should send it as normal or to someone in particular.
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Make the Trip!!!
It'd be great to meet you,
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I personally volunteer to escort Colin's guitar and represent him at the event. I could even slip in an Adamas II slothead (God forbid). Dave |
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Location: NJ | That's a capitol idea!!
You should fly out to GA, pick up the guitar, rent a car & drive it up to CT (or at least to NJ & ride up w/me) . . .
- 'course you'll have to reverse the proceedure t'get home . . . |
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Location: Upper Left USA | If this isn't material for a "Spinal Tap" Rock-u-mentory I don't know what is! The OFC has set the stage once more.
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Location: NJ | Who knows . . . by the end of the month, we may have to hock one of 'em for gas . . . . |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | A very important side issue of this gathering is that the factory guys can spend time with all these guitars and get to know them. None of these guys were around when the originals were built. Priceless information, thanks to all who are sending the guitars in early. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | So...
Those bringing their instruments in are actually providing a work shop/Seminar for the Kaman Luthiers for waived honorariums. That sounds fairly tax deductible!
That would make the MoodyPI-StandingO Team Sub-contractors. |
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Location: Colorado | Al: I am closer to getting in touch with Jim Messina - but have not had any direct contact yet - However, I did get an email to Richie Furay's (of Poco and Buffalo Springfield) church and they forwarded it out to Richie - who is on the road performing this week with Loggins and Messina in Wisconson and Minnesota. With any luck - within a day or so - Furay will talk with Jim Messina about the status of his slothead...and tell him about the event...though he is slated on the 30th to play in Clearwater, FL. I will kleep you posted.
I arrive the evening of the 29th, and will stay through noon Saturday. Anything else I need to be doing? If more details are needed - find me at elginacres@aol.com
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Location: NJ | I was originally planning on doing just a dive up/down on Friday, but I'm thinking of also doing the Thurs. eve thru Sat noon-thing as well . . . providing that a hotel room is still available at this late date. I'll call 'em manana . . . . |
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Location: NJ | The part about the PizzaIncident that never got told was:
After we scarfed down the SoccerMom pizza, the pizza that we ordered arrived . . and I don't know HOW many arrived . . . but at the end of the night, when the vast majority of celebrants "faded", YoursTruly stayed behind to "tidy up" a bit. I consolidated all of the uneaten pies together and left the night staff about four whole pizzas in the kitchen (which I'm REALLY surprised wasn't served to us as the next morning's ComplimentaryBreakfast). . .
That, and a couple of night's worth of good(?) music in the Lobby has put us in good graces with staff at HomewoodSuites (despite the fact that the dumpster out back looked/sounded/smelled like the remains of an overturned beer truck on the Interstate . . .
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| My God moody You flew in from CA for this? Now I feel really guilty... I had a busy weekend, always do, but I could have taken a break from all the building and come to this event. I am 3 hrs away. And I am certainly just kidding when I say "I will add some class to this event" but on the other hand I can no longer eat Pizza nor Drink Beer. Does sound like fun playing Music with a bunch of musicians and jamming some tunes for shits & giggles and a whole room full of Ovation Guitars. I'll plan on bringing my Bass & Guitar to next years? Still hope someone would learn the Mandolin parts to "Thats the Way" from Zeppelin??
Now this event with the slotheads is really something!
I wish I could accidentally, on purpose, have to bring my Adamas to the Factory for an electronic upgrade the same day this event is happening. This group of Ovation owners is very, very exclusive indeed! If I owned one of these I would make every effort to make this one time meeting!
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What you want to do is to send the guitar you want upgraded to the factory 2-4 weeks ahead of time and then pick it up when you come up for the gathering.
Don't make me come down to NY and drag your sorry ass up to CT. It would be more than my sorry ass could stand.
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| Alrighty then. Next year it is. Somebody please bring one of these slotheads! I just have to see one! And perhaps pluck a short tune on one?
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Just called the hotel and reserved what I THINK is the last available room (THANK You, Ronni!!).
Will be arriving Thurs Evening.
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Sorry to say I am not a lefty journeyman hurler...but it is not the first time I have been asked...since I played D1 college ball at the University of South Carolina - and turned down a draft to attend college and play college ball...He had a solid career...I hung up my catcher's mitt and spikes after 2 college seasons at 21....and opted for a career of playing roundbacks... Does my namesake like roundbacks too? That would be wild since my name and other activities paralled his quite a bit. I even keep his baseball card on my desk...I'll bet he doesn't own a slothead though..Heh heh. |
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I need to mentor you on excuses to leave work for higher priorities! In my office I have earned exactly three "Forty-Hour" awards for staying all week. It ain't missing work! |
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Just in case anyone is wondering, Cliff arrived in fine shape.
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Location: SoCal | I've been on the phone with the folks of the gathering in CT.... they are having ENTIRELY TOO MUCH FUN WITHOUT US!!!! |
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Location: south east Michigan | If I woulda had da right geetar, I woulda been dere. |
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Location: NJ | Just rolled in . . . .
Whew! What an "interesting" past couple o'days!! . . .
After I recharge the batteries on the cameras (and myself), I'll try t'post a couple of pics . . .
Right now I have t'finish unloading the car and hang some sheet metal that "followed me home" up onto the wall . . .
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Location: Colorado | Just reporting back home in Colorado from the slothead reunion...great time thanks Al and Bill..it was surreal for me infact. I'll get around to emailing all you other new friends after the gig...the Buell theater calls...and it's Wicked. Made the gig ontime. Hope my guitar finds its way home someday.
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Location: NJ | Y'want "History"??
How's THIS for "History"??? :
Got a LOT of really great shots.
Unfortunately, in order to get this clockwork "Gallery" software to accept them is frustrating in that the images really suffer when you have to res them this small. For now, these two will have suffice until I can muster enough patience . . . .
We all had a GREAT time!!!
BIG thanks to Al, Bill, Frank, Rick, Kim, and (again) the ENTIRE Factory staff . . . .
We all got a private FactoryTour, and (while I'd aleady SeenIt/DoneIt) it was fun watching ElginAcres see it all for the first time. Much like watching a kid on Christmas. After lunch, we all did a private tour of the "traditional" Adamas section of the operation, and and a bunch of the guys had gotten a printout of how their SlotHead fared on the LaserVibrometer . . . purty interesting shit. Adamas veteran Nick Mackin was there to offer a LOT of SlotHead insight/anectodes, and my stomach STILL hurts from laughing while sitting across from Bill and next to Timm Kummer at Fri. nite's dinner!
We had a BLAST!!!
It's late and maybe I'll make an attempt t'get some more pictures up tomorrow, but when y'gotta make 'em this small, they really suffer . . . .
(yes, Paul . . . there are in fact a pair of REALLY old Nationals (a Style "O" and a Style2 TriCone) that'll be "wintering" here in NJ, and I'll be needing to pick up an instructional Mando book . . . hope we get a SHITLOAD of snow this Winter!:-) |
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Location: SoCal | Ya know, the guitars in that picture are 1/3 of the total production of the slotheads. The rest are probably sitting in cases in storage somewhere along with the rest of various rock stars equipment. A third lasted 30 years and are still played.
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Location: NJ | Paul;
In response to your e-mail:
Back Row:
Darren, ElginAcres, Timm Kummer, CWK2, Nick Mackin, Al, Rick Hall, PlayAdamas, Moi, Kim Keller
Front Row:
35, 36, 41, 43, 45, 47, 49, 50, 53, 54 |
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada | Which one is Hector?
I see both of his slotheads showed up.
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Location: Colorado | Now the test is...who can get the serial numbers correct in order from left to right? For the folks on the tour - no looking at the crib sheet I made.
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Location: Colorado | Ah Cliff..you helped them out - I didn't even see #s the first time. I was tired by the end of the gig...AM - Homewood suites in Conn. PM Buell theater in Denver. Long Day. The Mossman just isn't a slothead.
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Elginacres,
So I take it y'all determined yours was #43?
#35 & 47 sure are a different -2 red!
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Location: south east Michigan | Jeff...stop...take a look down and behind you. Yep..Theres that pesky line again! :D |
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | Does anybody know how many of the un-attending guitars are accounted for? Where are they now? |
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Location: NJ | The only ones that I know of are Sam's and Elias's, and the one (and only) 12-string is in Japan . . . |
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Location: SoCal | There are the ones in the hands (collections/storage spaces) of people like Glen Campbell, Nancy Wilson, Jim Messina, etc. |
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Location: NJ | Maybe.
There seems t'be some speculation (according to Mr. Mackin's recollections) that some of those "celeb" guitars MAY had been returned to the Factory . . . and then from there . . . who knows? . . . |
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Location: Colorado | Yes we did determine that mine is #43. Darren W. went through many gyrations and original documents to determine this. The fun part is that Nick did say that some of the originals from artists came back to the factory, then they were disseminated in many ways..but it is only 30 years of memory at this point that documents this. Both CWK2 and TK believe they had my guitar at one point too...completely overshadowing the rumour that Nancy had it. It's obviously worth more now that Bill once had it and traded it! Curiously there is no official documentation at the factory (which we saw) saying which guitar(slothead) that Nancy W. got. They do show her getting one that was not a slothead, and there are several pictures of her with a slothead... confirming that she indeed got two..but not necessarily both slotheads. She says she still has one - and she has no idea which one it is. As for accounting for the others, it is going to to take someone actually having real conversations with some artists to try to track the slotheads down. One amazing thing about having all these guitars together was to play and feel the differences between these 10 guitars. We each found ourselves having our own biases - even among these great guitars. For instance, I learned very quickly I could fall in love with one of the wide neck slotheads. Hmmm...no I gotsta find one that's available. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | You know, you bring up a very interesting point. Seems in recent years wide necks have definately caught on and I know that I myself now am much more comfortable with 1-3/4 or 1-7/8 necks compared to the skinny's. It's a real shame that the #47 reissue or the OFC guitar couldn't be offered in an optional wide-neck (for an extra charge). IS ANYONE LISTENING? |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I was gonna go for the #47...
but then, I played the U681T/FD/Lowden- all with 1 3/4 inch neck. I'm never going back. As much as I'd love to own a #47, I'm not going to buy 'cause, I know it won't get played because of the narrow neck. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Bill, you slay me.......
Is amelia island anywhere near coconut creek?
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Location: Keller, TX | Originally posted by Standingovation:
It's a real shame that the #47 reissue or the OFC guitar couldn't be offered in an optional wide-neck (for an extra charge). IS ANYONE LISTENING? Dave, come on, say what you really mean...
"It's a real shame that the #47 reissue or the OFC guitar couldn't be offered in an optional UKE size/config... :D :eek: :rolleyes: |
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Location: Germany | If there would be a wide-neck option I would definitely buy the slothead reissue. Too many narrow necks ..
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| Hey Where's al? Did you guy's leave him at the factory again? You know how angry that makes the guy's in the Mother Ship!
Al....?...... wha-te-ye-doin....writing a book?
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Now that your talkin' wide necks you've peaked my interest. I really love the 1 7/8 neck on my 1624 CA. It's so easy to play, and I don't have the reach problems with a regular classical. Would the fret wire be lower than is the standard now? Wider neck, flatter radius, lower fret wire?
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Location: NJ | I'm back home. Back to my construction hell.
It was a great time. Aside from the 10 guitars you see pictured I have located another 7 so that is half of the production of slot heads. (if you include the 12 string which was not a slot head but in the group)
I wish more could attend but I am thankful for what we had. It was a really cool gathering of guitars and people. Watching Nick in the factory was worth the price of admission right there. He has not seen guitar manufacturing for 20 years and things have changed.
Just a public thanks to Rick Hall, Frank Untermyer, Kim Keller, John Budny and the men and woman of the factory that once again let us impose on them. A special thanks to Bill whose passion for these guitars is unsurpassed by anyone.
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Location: NJ | For the Record:
I'd like to offer a Public Apology to those other poor unwitting patrons who had the misfortune of being sat at tables adjacent to our's at Amici's Restaurant Friday night . . . and had to "move".
It had to have been AT LEAST eight tables' worth
(Al . . you would know, you were facing them).
Next Time: Timm Kummer and I aren't allowed to sit near each other, and the JerseyBoys can't all be at the same end of the table.
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| Construction--- Have I---! I got a concrete truck coming tomorrow and my second lumber delivery this month. It's all for a good cause though. I gave up my Music Room/ practic hall. So my Mom will have a place to live right with us. Hated to give it up but My mom is the coolest Mom there ever was. Making a huge appartment out of the upstairs of the three stall garage and building the deck she always wanted off one side. And I just got done building a 12 by 16 shed over an outdoor wood boiler to heat the house and the garage this winter! No More OIL for me I have had quite enough and I got lots of wood.
Anyway This really looked like it was one cool event! I sure plan to make it to next years gathering. I would love to play one of these slotheads for a few minutes, if someone was good enough to let me? I sure hope I can put together the cash to buy one of the OFC guitars this may be the second best instrument Ovation ever made!
These were the one of the most interesting guitars ever made as far as I am concerned! Nice photo in the thread. Now how bout one with just the instruments!
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Location: Upper Left USA | Cliff,
I heard you say that they laser-spectrometered the instruments and I saw in your Gallery that there was a printout from back then.
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". . Adobe PhotoShop . . . when you need "The Truth" . . . BADLY! . . ."
Is that whatcha' want, Master Durasa?? |
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Location: NJ | Woody;
I don't really know, because mine didn't "make it" to the machine. Those were shipped up ahead of time . . I brought mine.
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I just posted a BUNCH of pics from Friday in my Gallery . . .
I've got a lot more, but (like I said), I gotta give Al & Timm "first crack" . . . |
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Location: Colorado | # 43 made it to the vibrometer. I have a printout of the response. It has changed a little, but probably not enough to consider it audible. Curiosly the double peaks involved in the response are tighter on 43 than some of the others. If you are talking less than 1/4 db at 19000hz, probably not enough to reduce the jangle. I also altered the guitar a little in 1992 - put in a OP-24 - for which Kummer promptly called me Dr. Mengele.
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| I like all you guy's And your guitars ain't bad either!
I want an OFC Guit Box! Real Bad myself! HAd some cash from selling the doubleneck Ric...Ohh well that's going into construction funds. I'll beg borrow & steal when these become officially available and see what happens ten.
Nice Event guy's.... I envy all of you who own one of these and am pleased you all had a good time. I gotta play some Banjo with Cliffy though to make my life complete!
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Location: NJ | Woodster;
I believe there was a BIT of a difference in the measurements from 30 years ago to now - but you have to take into consideration that there's been a drastic change in the technology since then. Nick Mackin said that for the most part, the measurements in '76 were "mechanical" measurements of the deflection of the top, whereas the LasVib "maps" the way various areas of the top interact with each other during the creation of a specific frequency.
It was interesting to see how MOST of the SlotHeads "see-sawed" in the lower bouts - whereas the lower bass bout would "pump", and as that declined, the lower treble bout took over.
Two Slots (I believed it was ElginAcres' #43 and PlayAdamas' #50) behaved a bit differently in that both lower bouts "pumped" more in unison - very much like a Martin dreadnaught (we watched the profiles running side-by-side to a Martin dread's profile). The funny thing was that Mark (ElginAcres) said that he bought this Adamas BECAUSE it was the first Ovation that he ever played that "sounded like a dreadnaught" . . . .
Seeing/playing them all in the same place made me realize that even though they were all "kinda" made at the same time, they were all like batches of cookies - or snowflakes - while they're all "kinda the same", they have individual characteristics. Even LOOKING at them side-by-side, you can SEE subtle variations in appearance.
Some had more gold around the fibreglass ring than others, there where variations in the amount of gold glitter applied to the top finishes (even the BOWLS for that matter), and there where just subtle differences in color (albeit "ageing" could be a factor). If y'look at the group photos, you'll notice that there really aren't too many (if any) that are "The Same" Colour . . .
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Location: Rego Park, NY, | Great pictures Cliff!! As you know I was not able to make the trip. My father in-law has been in hospital since mid July. we heard from the doctor's that he needed a dialysis treatment. He is 89 years old and all of his organs were beginning to shut down. Without the dialysis he would not last the weekend. He received treatment on Friday and by Saturday afternoon his vital signs were getting better. He also spent Saturday afternoon beating my sister in-law at poker. I was close but it looks like he is going to be fine. I want to thank Al for being so understanding . I felt really bad about cancelling. If I had come I probably would not have my mind totally on the day's events.
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Location: closely held secret | So... no video?
I'm glad your FIL is doing better, Phil. |
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Location: Rego Park, NY, | Thanks Waskel, Sorry This time there will not be any Spweilberg Wucas pwoduction. |
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Location: NJ | I believe I periodically saw a small video camera on a tripod accompanying Master Keller about . . . . |
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Location: Rego Park, NY, | I think his video camera is a Sony that records on 3 1/2 disc. |
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Location: closely held secret | I'll ask him. I need to find out about my 1624 "needs a little work" anyway. |
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Location: NJ | That MIGHT've been his still camera . . . he had that too . . . . |
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Location: south east Michigan | Cliff...great pics!!!
I sure wish I owned one the the guitars to get invited.
Now....please fill us in.
What is this #3000 (the cannon) you played???
What is with the red, shiney, contour bowl?? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Cliff, PLEASE don't tell Michael that he's got a slothead that pumps like a Martin Dread. For christ sake we'll never hear the end of it. The guy has ears that hear things nobody else does. Typical situation:
Playadamas: "Now, listen to that 3rd harmonic it's got much clearer ring on this guitar compared to that one. If you tilt the guitar 2 degrees towards the floor the whole sound really opens up. Listen."
StandingO: "Yeah, Mike, whatever. It's blue and it's fun to play. Next."
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Location: NJ | Brad;
I'm working on something that I'll send you for the calendar, if y'want it(it follows along the line of Bill's suggestion . . .).
I'll send you a "rough concept", once I have something somewhat "presentable" . . . .
Adamas #3000:
I'm assuming that it was just s/n 3000.
Somebody played it, and said "hey! this thing sounds GOOD!!"
(Bill'd have to elaborate . . .)
This thing's got some MondoBoffo bass response!!!
The "XmasBowl":
This was AT the last Tour (but it was hidden behind the "BlackCurtain"). When Darren and I were discussing "off the wall" finishes, he broke down and showed this to me, but made me promise "not to tell" . . .
This visit, since it was laying out in the open, I figured it was "FairGame" (Louie in Engineering even wiped it down for me so I could get a nice pic:-) I flipped it over, and got a shot of the top too, but it's so much like a MIRROR that you really just see a reflection of the shop ceiling & lights.
I also got a pic of a REALLY cool CustomOrder, but Louie made me PROMISE not to publicize it, as the celeb recipient'd probably get pissed if it got out before he/she saw it . . . . |
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Location: NJ | ". . Cliff, PLEASE don't tell Michael that he's got a slothead that pumps like a Martin Dread . ."
Dave;
What the f&*^k do I care????
If I wanted a guitar that sounded like a Martin dread, I'd BUY a Martin dread!!! The thing I like about MY guitar is that it has a distinctive sound (that DOESN'T sound like a Martin dread) . . . . |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | No comment. |
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Location: Colorado | True story - 1985 - I was in Atlanta - actually looking for an Elite - not a dreadnaught. None of the stores had one in natural - so I passed - a sales person sent me to another store - but they did't have one either - but they had this slothead sitting in the corner. I played it for a few hours, and even commented that it sounded more like a dreadnaught than any other Ovation I had ever played. I was not saying it was better or worse - just sounded more like a dreadnaught. I purchased it - fast forward 20 years to the vibrometer, and Darren says out of the blue - look ...this one reacts closer to a dreadnaught Martin than the others. Not better - not worse - it just is....Thanks for bringing it up Cliff - yopur sheet of cookies example is right on - the fact is they all taste goooooood. It's just weird to have someone 20 years later ...out of the blue ...confirm something I had said in passing...my ears did not deceive me! Any yes - I was like the little child who was left overnight in Toys R Us. It was great. |
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Location: NJ | ". . yes - I was like the little child who was left overnight in Toys R Us . ."
y'mean YOU got fondled by the NightWatchman TOO???
Oh.
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Location: Bluffton, SC | Originally posted by cliff:
y'mean YOU got fondled by the NightWatchman TOO??? Difference being he stopped going back, Cliff. :D |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | How can you go back when you never leave? |
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Location: Colorado | Good point Bill, my heart will ever leave...twas an honor...
Mark |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Mark, you were asking about this.
24 narrow necks, 9 wide necks, 1 12string
27 electrics, 7 straight acoustics
6 red, 8 biege, 19 blue, 1 brown
1687-2, 2
1687-7, 5
1687-8, 11
1187-2, 2
1187-7, 1
1187-8, 3
1689-2, 2
1689-8, 5
1189-7, 1
1689-9, 1 for cat litter to replace 28
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Location: Colorado | Thanks |
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Original Adamas Slothead owners !!!!!!!!!!!!