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After spending most of a beautiful Sunday "Leaf-Peeping" along the Hudson River in upstate NY, Jeanette and I were taking "TheLongWayHome" along a rural highway in Sussex County, NJ.
Cruising along, we come up to a young girl in a Pontiac Sunfire stopped at a blinking yellow light to make a left hand turn. We come to a stop behind her and wait for her to turn . . .
BAM!
Dumb f@ckin' blond in a Kia NAILS me from behind!
In addition to the evident "sheet metal" damage, the brunt of the impact was absorbed by the after-market trailer hitch that I installed, which (through the frame) propelled the entire car forward) . . .
BAM!!
Despite valiant efforts to evade the girl in the Sunfire in front of me, I grazed her tailight/bumper, smashing the PISS out of my left front end.
Thankfully, everyone walked away without a scratch. Jeanette bumped her head on the seatbelt "take-up" housing, which resulted with pretty much just a headache.
Car is "Totaled".
I'm Totally Pissed.
Anybody that "knows" me will tell you that I loved that car and treated it like I treat my guitars. Granted, it's not an expensive, luxury/sports car, but it was the best that I could afford, served me well, and provided me a LOT of fun driving. I maintained it RELIGIOUSLY, and tried my BEST to keep it immaculate. Unfortunately, the insurance company doesn't "see" any of that when calculating a shitty little three year old economy car with 55K WELL-maintained miles.
Looking to replace it, but having a degree of difficulty.
First priority: It's GOTTA be "Stick".
CanNOT drive an automatic (besides these cars "suck" in automatic). Several dealers I've gone to around here can't locate any w/stick (people are pussies out here).
Would LIKE to find an '05 "lefteover" if I could.
Besides evident cost-savings, they've somewhat "re-designed" the '06's, and I don't really like 'em.
If anybody knows of any dealers that might have what I'm looking for, please contact me. If I can find what I'm looking for at a reasonable distance, I might consider flying out/driving back . . . .
btw:
Seat Belts DO Save Lives . . . |
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Location: SoCal | Totalled??? Damn.
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I appreciate it, but CA might be a BIT out-of-range . . . . |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I HATE IT when the insurance companies just look at the numbers and then total out a car...especially a well loved and maintained one.
Good luck with the search.....you can always check out ebay motors and pay with paypal ;) |
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Location: south east Michigan | Bummer...To bad the insurance companies have to be such weasels about things like this.
As a typical OFCer the first thing my eye went to was the Ovation trade-mark right in the middle of the dent. It took a minute to realize that it's from an Ovation case and you just glued it on. Very cool. |
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Bummer. Big Time.
Glad to hear no one was hurt. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Contact customer service for a new emblem. Wait, what is this post about?
Glad you are alright, maybe its time to buy that Gig-Wagon you really need! Why you are stuck on a stickshift I can't fathom.
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Location: closely held secret | Sorry to hear it, Cliff. I could tell you loved that Cruiser, it really seemed to suit you. Seems fitting that you should replace it with something as similar as you can find. VERY glad you and Jeanette are both ok.
Happened to me last year, an 83 year old man came flying through a stop sign (he told the cops he didn't even know he was driving, thought he was parked somewhere...), and totaled my Dakota. Less than 2 years old.
Seat belts DO save lives. In my case the airbags saved me from severe chest injuries. Now I drive an '05 Honda CRV. This sucker's got 4 wheel antilocks, all wheel drive and airbags EVERYWHERE!! |
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Auto Trader search in the Northwest
Road Trip? |
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| Glad you're both OK. Strangely enough I was at the body shop this morning getting a quote for repairs to where some d*ckhead drove into the back of me as I sat at a red light.
And in the body shop was a much customized (fantastic chrome wheels) PT Cruiser. I thought about you, then came home and read this.
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The Ovation "tag" (which IS from a case) was a "giveaway" by Master Keller at the first Tour/Jam. Picked up that car the day after we got back from that Tour. The tag went on that evening. Used 3M VHB Tape to affix it. It wasn't coming off . . .
When I went to the TowYard yesterday to empty it out, I was tempted to pry it off. Opted to just let it be "buried" with it. Kinda' like a wedding ring . . .
Woodster;
The car was pretty much all the "GigWagon" I really needed. With the rear seats removed (which was the FIRST thing I did when I got it home), it held ALL of our gear (with room t'spare), plus it did about 27mpg.
"Driving" requires shifting gears.
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Was she on her cell phone? The guy in his jaquar, who hit me, while I was on my bicycle, was talking to his fiance! Fortunately, I was thrown up in the air rather than on the ground and landed on his hood. When he got out of the car he said: What are you doing there? I said, what are you crazy? Call the motherfuckin' police. Still talkin' on the phone, he says to the fiance, gotta call you back.
Everything worked ok for me, no injuries worse than some bruises, but man what a shock. And what a jerk. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | This might be an alternative to the PT:
http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?sectioncode=2&storycode=9686
It lacks the PT mojo, but it should work and the price is right. |
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Location: Queens, NY | I'm really sorry to hear that Cliff. I'm glad you and Jeanette are OK. It stinks when such a beautiful day ends on such a sour note.
It's funny, an4340 and I thought the same thing (about the cell phone). What the hell was that woman behind you doing? Because she obviously wasn't looking at the road. |
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Location: NJ | "Petting her Poodle", no doubt . . . .
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Hey! that's a nice box!
What kinda' CAR comes in it??
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Thanks, but I think not . . . |
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Location: closely held secret | Thank you, Cliff. I really didn't want to see you rolling into the Factory parking lot in that. Unless you were selling ice cream out the side windows... |
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Master Wagster owns one . . .
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I have a few connections with dealers here in the Fayetteville area, NC might be able to find you one. I'll make a few calls. maybe I can find you one. |
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I'll trade you a CC65 for the car ;)
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| First and foremost, I'm glad Cliff and Jeanette are okay. They're good friends and I'd be saddened if they were hurt.
With the loss of "'Ol Blue", I feel like I've lost a different kind of good friend. That car had provided me with a bit of relief as it was the first indication that Cliff had showed up at the gig and didn't leave me high and dry to fend for myself. (He'd usually get there first and have the stuff loaded in before I even left the house...WHAT A GUY!!!)
Also, Cliff's not lying when he said he loved that car more than most things. More than once, if it had been raining at a gig, he'd ask me to lie in a puddle as he drove through it so as to not get it's tires wet.
Hopefully, one of you can help him out with his search. PLEASE MAKE SURE HE GETS TO THE GIGS...NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR ME SOLO.
* Seriously, Cliff. Glad you're both okay.
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Location: N.J. | Cliff,
Have you tried Buhler Chrysler on rte.35 in Hazlet? If not,call them and ask for Darin Buhler and tell him that Phil Barbour from the Jersey Viper Club sent you and explain your situation. Darin is a great guy and extremely helpful. Good luck. |
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Location: NJ | ". . With the loss of "'Ol Blue" . . ."
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Ciff, Glad you are OK. Really sucks about the car. My friend has a VW Golf that has quite a lot of room in back for gear. His is a 5 speed stick and it zips around pretty well. Dave |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Hey Cliff, I've never (thank god, satan, and osama) had a car totaled. What exactly does that mean? I mean, who get's the totaled car? Is it yours? I'm thinking you could probably part it out on ebay for like $50,000. net or something. Like Sam's old preacher pickguards. Dave |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Glad to hear you guysa are ok, Cliff, and sorry to hear about the ride. I'll check up here and see what they've got around. We're not too far. If you can't find one, and you're not stuck on an American car (and before everyone starts poundig on me, I've bought my share of cars made here too, ok?), consider a Forester. They're very solid and dependable, lots of room and mine's even a stick. Just a thought but I'll look around for you just the same. |
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| Originally posted by cliff:
". . With the loss of "'Ol Blue" . . ."
. . . th'car was RED, stupid!! Watch real entertainment (such as the great cinematic classic, 'Old School') instead of PBS once in a while and you'll see where this reference came from. |
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| Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Cliff watches PBS? I didn't know they showed porn on that channel.... :D |
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Will Ferrell???
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that WOULD explain why I keep YOU around . . . I always thought it was because you needed someone to handle all the of actual musical portions of the act. |
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Location: Tennessee | IxNay on the OxBay . . . . It might be just me, but whenever I see a Scion pull up, I expect a whole bunch of clowns to jump out and start running around. Either that or Shriners.
REALLY sorry to hear about the PT, Cliff. Not exactly my cup of tea, but my Dad had one and over several years I must have driven 3000km through Holland, Belgium, France, Germany and Switzerland with him. He loved that car, too. I made several 8 hour drives from his house in Holland to his house France and back when he was infirm, and had to carry a lot of stuff. It a little (!) light on power, and a manual and a turbo would help. But a really good car for what a lot of people need. Maybe you can find a nice used one and get the Mothership to do an EliteT red flame paint job for you.
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Location: Cicero, NY | Originally posted by stonebobbo:
...I expect a whole bunch of clowns to jump out and start running around. Clowns, eh? Hmm, could work... ;) |
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Location: NJ | Got it, Mario.
Sorry. I'm a little fried.
Czech yer e-mail . . . |
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| I'll vouch for this, Cliff-it's really a nice vehicle. The amount of space, considering the footprint of the car, is amazing. It would make a perfect "gig-mobile."
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Location: NJ | Bill;
Hey that could WORK!!
Jeanette said:
". . y'know if y'get ANOTHER "Cruiser", . . we'll a have t'take THAT one to KeyWest as well . . ." :cool: |
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I've got a "line" on a couple of 'em in NJ today.
'05 Leftovers seem like an impossibility, but at least it looks like there's '06's with stick . . .
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Cliff,
Thought of an 04 leftover? That's still newer than what you had and the style might be more lto your liking.Either pre-owned or program vehicle..
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Location: NJ | Not a car that I'd wanna buy "used" (especially with a stick). Could end up unwittingly buying the product of someone else's bad driving habits.
My car had 55K miles on it, and other than lube/oil/filter changes and scheduled maintenance, the only thing that was "done" to it was having the tie-rod ends replaced (f@ckin' Jersey potholes!). The brakes (when recently checked) surprised the hell out of the mechanic on how much "life" was still left on 'em (as was the clutch). s'All part of the Zen of (properly) driving a stick . . . . |
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I'll email you with what they told me. May not be any different than you've found in your area. But worth a shot. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Cliff,
Some free legal advice that's worth what you paid me for it. Unless you are in a no fault state, her insurance is supposed to put you back in the same place you were before she hit you. That doesn't mean low book for a PT. It means the value of your PT. Make them show you that you could get a car as good as yours for what they offer you. If it's not the right color or not as clean, negotiate for what it's worth. This isn't your insurance carrier.
If your wife had a headache, that's worth something. Don't settle till you are made whole. My daughters and wife have wrecked a lot of my cars and the insurance companies have been very good to us. They want to resolve claims and adjusters who don't get their claims closed lose thier jobs. |
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Location: Midland, MI | My dad had a brand new Pontiac many years ago. He parked it on the street in front of a friend's (of his) house. Someone in a beat up old Impala failed to negotiate the straightaway (go figure) and the trunk of the Pontiac became a fixture in the rear seat. They had the same insurance company. My recollection is that they (the insurance) started out trying to tell him they'd only give him what MiB calls 'low book' seeing as the car was now 'used' (it was a week old). He said, 'No, I don't think so.' Then they said they wouldn't total it, but would repair it. He said, 'No, I don't think so.' They insisted. When he met with the dealer's estimator and the insurance adjuster he (my dad) made it clear that he really appreciated the adjuster's promise to fix the car to a point where my dad was happy, and keep fixing it if he was unhappy in the least. I believe he said something along the lines of, 'That makes me feel good about your company. You clearly want to go the entire distance with me, because I guarantee that every squeak, rattle and shake in this car will be attributable to unrepaired, hidden damage for as long as I own it.' He had a new Pontiac, same model, color and options, by the end of the week.
My old man is cool. Maybe that's an approach you can use with them, cliffy. Get them to agree to make it right, no matter what, then explain what that'll mean to their bottom line. ;) |
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Location: Tennessee | My two cents ... insurance companies want rear-enders to go away as soon as they can. They also open with their "you're an idiot if you take our first offer" offer. Expect to go back and forth a bunch of times to get what you want. But just cop a righteous attitude and hold your ground. With that said, you can also expect the same from the lady in front of you that you hit ... in California, that one would be considered your fault so your victim will want you (your insurance company) to make her whole. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Well, while my Dad lives in New York he was in a similar accident in New Jersey. He was stopped behind another car at a red light. Another car comes running down the hill, and slams into my Dad's car, pushing him into the car in front of him. The light was still red. Everyone recognized that the guy who reared my Dad was at fault. So that's the law in Jersey.
Paranthetically, when my Dad first spoke to the guy, he only spoke yiddish, then after the police arrived his English magically appeared. The way my Dad tells it, it's pretty funny. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Well, while my Dad lives in New York he was in a similar accident in New Jersey. He was stopped behind another car at a red light. Another car comes running down the hill, and slams into my Dad's car, pushing him into the car in front of him. The light was still red. Everyone recognized that the guy who reared my Dad was at fault. To hit the Dude, my Dad would've had to roll backwards up a hill. So that's the law in Jersey.
Paranthetically, when my Dad first spoke to the guy, he only spoke yiddish, except to tell my Dad that he rolled backwards up the hill into him, then after the police arrived his English magically appeared and his accussation about rolling backwards disappearred. The way my Dad tells it, it's pretty funny. |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Cliff:
I'm really sorry about the car, but like others have said, the important thing is that you and Jeanette are OK. I remember the first time I saw it at one of your gigs. Joanna and I were walking through the parking lot and saw the "PT" with the "Ovation" tag on the back and knew we were in the right place. LOL. I hope you find another just like it. I really was sorta your trademark. That and the shirts ;) |
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Location: closely held secret | Cliff, I must have missed the headache part in your first post. Have either/both of you seen a doctor? No, I'm not advocating insurance fraud here, but I can tell you from experience, their insurance company will be after you to settle this.
DON'T LET THEM RUSH YOU. Getting what you legally have coming to you is not fraud. The fraud is when the insurance companies try to screw you out of it. The accident wasn't your fault. Their business is to compensate you for losses caused by their client.
Mark is absolutely right when he talks about negotiating. Most people think you just have to take what they give you, fair or not. Uh, uh. You find out what the real value of your car is, from the realistic mileage and condition, and hold them to replacing that. And you get yourself and your wife to a doctor or a chiropractor immediately and get neck and back x-rays. When you sign off on that claim, you sign off your rights to come back to them later when injuries show up, and injuries from rear-end collisions may not show up for weeks. In Oregon we have something like 6 months to agree that there were no long term injuries.
Make sure you document EVERYTHING. Any time spent off work, the time/money you spend looking for a new car, doctor bills, whatever. They OWE you for all this, do not let them railroad you.
After the car and any medical issues are settled, figure out a realistic amount including anything they may not have compensated you for yet, plus 'pain and suffering' (this is real compensation - you're doing it now) and negotiate with them for that. They WILL try to lowball you - I think it's in their rule book. If you truly believe your amount is realistic (perhaps Mark could help you there) then hold out for it.
I know this has turned into a lengthy message - I've just been through this last year, with 2 different insurance companies - I know how they are. Their goal is to make you go away for the least amount of money. Don't let them intimidate you, Cliff. THEY WILL TRY. YOU are the one with rights here. Stand up to them and you'll get what you deserve. Otherwise you'll only get what they want to give you. For me, standing up made a difference of several thousand in compensation.
Sorry this turned out so long. Glad both of you are well, but get checked anyway. I had to go through 6 months of physical therapy for my neck and back (which didn't start hurting till 4 days after the accident).
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I was in a severe accident in England on the way back to Heathrow. We got hit twice on the passenger side (where I was sitting) and spun hard all by the same Chevy Van (how many Chevy Vans do you suppose there are in England?). I thought to myself this freaking Van is Christine incarnate. The point is, I felt fine after the accident, but after the flight back home I was sore for a few weeks through my neck and left shoulder. |
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Has this accident taken away your ability to play and sing just like Eric Clapton? Did it ruin the 4 slotheads you had in back? |
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Location: Central Florida | Hey Cliff,
Sorry to hear of your misfortune, and good luck in your quest for that perfect replacement... It's out there. |
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Location: NJ | Bill;
Nah.
I just had a pair o'these SheetMetal guitars in the back (and they were really OLD, anyways) . . .
. . . they "bent" back in t'shape . . . eventually.
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". . Hey Cliff, How about a nice purple PT? . ."
Why? . . y'got a line on one down there??
I wouldn't "mind" a purple one, but I'm not a big fan of the shade that they use . . . it's more "Plum" . . .
If I were t'get a purple car, it'd have to be like a "Nehi Grayple" . . .
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That's part of my rationale . . .
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Ya sure that pink wouldn't be more in line with your, um, *ahem*, tendencies? |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I probably can't help you much on value Cliff. I would hope that in NJ you could get a lot more than what I think it would be worth here. At least the lawyers make a lot more money everywhere else. I'm also not very sympathetic. I never got any. Maybe that's why I whine so much. |
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| Cliff Dammit you were close to me you should a contacted me hell I'd a given you a ride home, after we finished looking at the very odd leaves still on the tree's in November. Know some real nice places to stop and have a great filet etc.
Is that an Ovation case signet I see on that PT?
I like it!
By the way the car I bought for my wife is identical to the car in the reflection of yours. Yep she wanted a "grocery gettin car" and by god those old interceptors can haul a lot a crap! got a trunk big enough for three bodies
Do ya know anyone with a good body shop who owes you a favor?? That Crusier does not look as thought it is not fixable.....make a deal with the insurance guy to keep the thing and get it to someone who knows what their doing and you'll have it back in like new condition in no time!
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Location: NJ | Randy;
We only went as far North as Newburgh,
yer pretty far up there.
BodyShop:
No way. The back view is just half the damage.
The front was bashed in pretty good.
Besides, the frame was bent.
Only one of the doors is operational . . .
That being said, even if they COULD "fix it", I wouldn't WANT it. |
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| Originally posted by cliff:
If it was, we'd be berating YOU . . . ;) True dat. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | I had a used car with a bent frame. Got it cheap in '78, a '68 galaxie 500, my first car. After two years, driving home from work, I hit a bump, the left side of the frame cracked at the bend and started dragging on the ground. It was like star wars! Sparks flying! Sold the car for parts.
(While it worked though, it was a great car --- it said:Party in me!)
I agree with the body shop, in a year or two the car will fall apart and it's dangerous. |
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Location: NJ | Moody;
Get that that tag in d'Mail . . .
Think I hooked me a nice one!!
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Location: Tennessee | If moody can't find his, let me know and I'll donate one to the cause. I've got one in the studio that's doing nothing more than keeping the table it's on from flying up and hitting the ceiling. |
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| Ahhhhhhh.... to both points Cliff Anyway if you ever make it to the great white north look me up we'll sit on the Deck and I'll throw some Shrimp on the Barbee and I will play your Slothead for Hours & Hours!
Good luck with the car
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Location: SoCal | Sorry about that. It's on my desk. I'll shoot it right out..... |
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Location: NJ | Found a replacement:
2004 Turbo DreamCruiser.
Brand New (15 miles on it).
Loaded (well, . . . as "loaded" as a PT Cruiser gets, anyway:-)
Car sat on the lot for 2 years cuz nobody wanted "stick" :cool:
Get it in about a week or so (psyched!:-)
"Shake Down Cruise" :
Driving down to have Thanksgiving Dinner with friends in Daytona.
(Hey Bill!! Turducken sandwiches??)
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Location: closely held secret | Very nice, Cliff. I always liked the two-toned ones. Congratulations! |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Too bad they couldn't fade the two-tone into a nice burst!
Good get! |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Wow. Good thing my wife doesn't visit this site or she'd want me to get her one. At least I don't think she visits here. Is that you, dear? All those bad things about wives were written by some other Mark in Boise. |
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Location: North Texas | You'll be stylin'. Nice ride. Is there a back door? |
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Location: Tampa, FL | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
All those bad things about wives were written by some other Mark in Boise. That drives Porsches, lusts after Ovation guitars and has a cabin with indoor plumbing but outdoor plumbing problems :eek:
Damn him! He's going to get you in trouble this time.
(Don't worry Mark, your secret's safe with us. We'll never turn you in.) |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by ChatMan:
(Don't worry Mark, your secret's safe with us. We'll never turn you in.) Well, unless your wife offers us a reasonable amount of money. Say, over $10. Or your 1537. :D |
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Location: Tampa, FL | Nice ride cliff.
Going to have a christening ceremony? Maybe pour a tequila miniature over her (alternatively you could go with the economical alternative and simply drive over a can of Busch).
Gotta a name yet?
What kind of perfomance specs on her. You know, like how many mid depth O's will she hold? What constitutes a full load out in terms of passengers, guitars and amps. Did you get guitar safety seating, cause the kids are important, especially driving in kamikazee land (I should talk). |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Nicely done Cliff.
But I thought in Jersey if you wanted a new car there were "ways" to make the old one disappear. You didn't have to actually risk your life getting into a real accident, did you?
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Very Nice Ride Cliff! and since it was a left over NEW 04 you probably got a heck of a deal.
I'm happy for you . It looks like it's worked out to your advantage. Now if you can just get Master Keller to get you another one of those Ovation logos for the back, You'll be set! |
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Location: NJ | ". . go with the economical alternative and simply drive over a can of Busch . ."
Chat;
You have NO IDEA how much I'm biting my tongue on that comment. ;)
2.4L Turbo, Gretag 5-speed trans, sport suspension, heated leather, moonroof, Sirius SatRadio, power ashtray, blah, blah . . .
First Thing:
The back seats come OUT.
Lightens up the car, improves mpg, makes plenty o'room for gear (still trying to find a home for the OLD ones sitting in my garage . .)
Funny thing is:
I was talking with dealers from as far (from me) as Ohio and Virginia, and couldn't find what I wanted. THIS car was sitting (for two years) litterally within walking distance from Jeanette's office . . .
Not really into "naming" cars.
(although, "Kismet" might fit) . . . |
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Location: closely held secret | "Serendipity" |
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Location: NJ | . . that one should be in the "Bad Movie" thread. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | c'mon...Kate Beckensale! |
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Location: NJ | Yeah Jeff, I know . . .
. . but I'll watch "Laurel Canyon", instead . . . |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I hear ya... |
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Location: North Texas | It's great when the seats are removable. Instant gig-mobile. I've got a Voyager with seats like that, pull a couple of levers and it's a cargo van. |
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| Originally posted by Buckaroo:
You'll be stylin'. Nice ride. Is there a back door? Everything Cliff does involves a 'back door' in some twisted fashion.
Nice job on the find, C. |
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| Hey Cliff; I typed it in my first message but for some reason that one did not send it'self through so wheh I typed another message I forgot to ask. Was that one of the super rare Ovation model PT crusiers? You know like the Eddie Bauer edition.
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A Limited Edition. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Nice ride! Come on down but we're in New Mexico for chili turkey. |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by cwk2:
Nice ride! Come on down but we're in New Mexico for chili turkey. Perfect, Bill.
"Come on over, Cliff! We're not home right now..." |
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Location: NJ | s'Allright, . . I know where he keeps the key . . .
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Location: NJ | . . . and there was such a thing as an "Operator".
. . now it's " please press "1" to go f@ck yourself". |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Ma Bell and Operators! Here is a strange but true fact. Once upon a time,..right out of high school I spent two years working for Central Telephone Company(Centel). My position??? I was a Telephone Operator. No Lie!! Good money for the time, But I had absolutely no life.Probably why I got out of it. |
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Location: NJ | ". . or just to the hill top for Jesus's birthday . ."
Thought you were stayin' "DownIsland" this year? . . |
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Location: NJ | Gig T'night.
New Car T'morrow.
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Congrats Cliff! Good luck with the new car. Speaking of new arrivals, I'm gonna be a Dad on Monday! Joanna's scheduled for a c-section at 10:00 AM. I can't wait! |
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Location: New Orleans | Congrads to you, John! :D |
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Location: New Orleans | Enjoy the new car, Cliff. Going to salvage the Ovation insignia? |
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Location: NJ | Congrats, John!!
(We'll do Mayer's "Daughters" in your honor . . .
it'l be a refreshing departure from the usual crap we say about you there :o )
Seriously, Congratulation! (tell Joanna that Jeanette and send Our Best Regards)
(btw: Your Life is now officially "Over":-) |
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Location: SoCal | John, your first? You won't sleep for the next 18 years. Raising kids is the hardest thing you'll ever do in your life.
But it's the abolute best thing you'll ever do. If there's anything more important than raising a family, I haven't found it.
Congratulations, Dad! |
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Location: NJ | Thx, Strange.
Nah, . . I let the car go it's Final Pit Stop wearing it's dented Badge of Courage . . . |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | "John, your first? You won't sleep for the next 18 years. Raising kids is the hardest thing you'll ever do in your life."
Yes it's our first and she's a girl so I will be sleepless much longer than 18 years. LOL |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Originally posted by cliff:
Congrats, John!!
(We'll do Mayer's "Daughters" in your honor . . .
it'l be a refreshing departure from the usual crap we say about you there :o )
Seriously, Congratulation! (tell Joanna that Jeanette and send Our Best Regards)
(btw: Your Life is now officially "Over":-) Thanks Cliff. Yeah I know my life as I know it is now over, but I'm prepared for some of the changes. I haven't slept in weeks anyway because I've been so nervous. We're pretty much homebodies, so we're fine with being at home. Most of my friends have young kids and more on the way, so most of our social functions involve babies anyway. I do have one advantage over most guys. The only hobby that I really love is playing guitar, which I will have do more of (gigs) since my wife will be staying home for the first few years. I know it's gonna be different, but I think I was ready for a change anyway. Look at it this way, Julia (that's her name) can eventually be a new regular fan to come to our gigs (until she gets old enough to think her dad is "soooo lame"). LOL. |
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Location: NJ | Trust Me. It ain't over at 18.
(At least I have the luxury of publicly berating my daughter's boyfriends when she brings 'em to my gigs . . :-) |
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Location: Vermont USA | John congratulations!
I have raised two daughters and it is truly a blessing. Now before you do anything else buy a grave marker and have the word Boyfriend put on it. Place it under a tree so when some guy like Cliff shows up to take your daughter out, you can show him what happened to the last guy. All fooling aside it is an honor to raise children.
Enjoy it goes by fast.
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Location: RI. That small State out East | I've been on the road...
So, I open this thread... It reads like a movie script.
1, Glad no one got hurt.
2, The search... Coast to coast.
3, "Free" legal advise
4, A few side-bar my Dad stories
5, The find of the "new" car
6, The birth of a baby
7, Off to a gig...
Great short story.
I'll tost one to your good fortune tonight.
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Originally posted by Paulcc1:
John congratulations!
I have raised two daughters and it is truly a blessing. Now before you do anything else buy a grave marker and have the word Boyfriend put on it. Place it under a tree so when some guy like Cliff shows up to take your daughter out, you can show him what happened to the last guy. All fooling aside it is an honor to raise children.
Enjoy it goes by fast.
Pauly Actually I was thinking of starting a gun collection just so I can take them out to clean them whenever a potential boyfriend comes around, but I like your idea too. |
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Location: NJ | Guns are passe.
What you want is a machete.
It makes a nice, resonant "s-s-s-s-s-s-ingg!" sound as the sharpening stone leaves the blade at the end of the long, slow pass along it's edge . . .
Make sure that the lighting provides the right amount of "glint" as it reflects off the blade into his eyes . . .
Lightly brush the edge along his arm, and ask if he thinks it's "sharp enough?".
Guns suggest a detached, passing thought.
A machete denotes a degree of "creativity" and the care of "doing a good job" . . .
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Location: Vermont USA | Cliff said A machete denotes a degree of "creativity" and the care of "doing a good job" . . . Cliff all I can say is that words can not begin to describe whats going through my head right now. I just have to say it I love you.
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| Originally posted by John B:
Congrats Cliff! Good luck with the new car. Speaking of new arrivals, I'm gonna be a Dad on Monday! Joanna's scheduled for a c-section at 10:00 AM. I can't wait! My best to you, Joanna, and lil' Julia. Joanne and I wish you the best of luck..now and always.
Originally posted by cliff:
Congrats, John!!
(We'll do Mayer's "Daughters" in your honor . . .
it'l be a refreshing departure from the usual crap we say about you there :o ) For the record, I will continue to say rotten things.
Originally posted by John B:
Look at it this way, Julia (that's her name) can eventually be a new regular fan to come to our gigs (until she gets old enough to think her dad is "soooo lame"). LOL. I'm guessing she'll be, what three, four weeks old. ;)
Originally posted by Paulcc1:
John congratulations!
I have raised two daughters and it is truly a blessing. Now before you do anything else buy a grave marker and have the word Boyfriend put on it. Place it under a tree so when some guy like Cliff shows up to take your daughter out, you can show him what happened to the last guy. All fooling aside it is an honor to raise children.
Enjoy it goes by fast.
Pauly Assuming of course, Cliff didn't lean towards Dr. Smith from 'Lost In Space's tendencies. Whhhhooooaaaahhhhh!!!! Naughty boys!!
Originally posted by cliff:
Guns are passe.
What you want is a machete.
It makes a nice, resonant "s-s-s-s-s-s-ingg!" sound as the sharpening stone leaves the blade at the end of the long, slow pass along it's edge . . .
Make sure that the lighting provides the right amount of "glint" as it reflects off the blade into his eyes . . .
Lightly brush the edge along his arm, and ask if he thinks it's "sharp enough?".
Guns suggest a detached, passing thought.
A machete denotes a degree of "creativity" and the care of "doing a good job" . . .
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Hey Rick: Regarding the well wishes, thank you very much. That's very nice of you and I really appreciate it.
As for the rest of your comments.....bite me! ;)
I'll call you when I get Julia home, we can play "dueling screaming babies". :D |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | ".....A machete denotes a degree of "creativity" and the care of "doing a good job" . . .
I take back what I said about Cliff and Dr. Smith...
Ew...Performance art. |
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| Originally posted by John B:
Hey Rick: Regarding the well wishes, thank you very much. That's very nice of you and I really appreciate it.
As for the rest of your comments.....bite me! ;)
I'll call you when I get Julia home, we can play "dueling screaming babies". :D You win. You get them all.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | How timely. I was just talking to somebody about one of my ex-partners who used a machete to scare a teenager who ran him off the road. The cops weren't so understanding when they came to arrest the guy for assault.
We're just not safe anymore. I'm not talking about being safe from guys with machetes. I'm talking about being safe from teenagers. Those good old shotgun and machete threats used to scare kids into thinking. Now they just report us to the cops, who bust us for child abuse.
I also have 2 daughters that are almost raised, but still keep me awake nights. The oldest and her boyfriend are way left of left field. The latest is that they don't want to join us for Thanksgiving because they don't want to celebrate the killing of turkeys. Some of the best and worst times are with the kids, but there is never enough time for them. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
Now they just report us to the cops, who bust us for child abuse.
just how times have you been arrested for child abuse?? |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Fortunately, I have never been arrested and as far as I know, no one ever turned me in for child abuse. My wife eventually agreed that our kids deserved to be spanked occasionally and they turned out alright.
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Location: Cicero, NY | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
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Location: Boise, Idaho | My wife won't let me spank her. When our oldest was just getting to the terrible 2s a little early, she started throwing kicking and screaming tantrums. My wife had read all the books and told me I was not to spank the kids because it made them think that violence was appropriate. I had enough when our daughter threw a tantrum in the middle of the street. I think that was her only spanking. She was a smart kid.
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | Originally posted by Phil Wong:
A ex co-worker of mine used to clean his gun on the dining room table everytime his daughter brought a boy home for the first time. This probably back fired big time because his daughter never got married. I did this to my then future son in law. Couple of days before the wedding, I had bought a new stock for my tactical rifle and was admiring the installation on the kitchen table, carefully cleaning it. The Son-in-law wannabe comes in, and looks a bit funny and says...aw...what's that...heh...heh. I think he was actually nervous. I told him how a Davis family tradition was the "father of the bride" got a new firearm of his choosing to take to the wedding. Since the colors were dark suits for the men, I thought the new McMillan stock was perfect. It was part of that tradition that we got to take and display the weapon.......you know, in case the groom get's cold feet...heh...heh.
To his credit, while daughter said I really had him going, they did get married. Might even let the good doctor (well she married smart anyway) shoot it someday...if he asks nice. Only negative is when he decided to buy a new guitar, he bought a Martin... May have to revisit the 'ol Tac rifle. |
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