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In the middle of this is some pictures of adamas custom shop guitars. If you doubleclick you can enlarge it and see more detail. One on the left is kind of cool. Also gives you a feel for what is happening at NAMM.
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | Its a shame that it is not open to the public. Won't that be a fun way to spend a few days. Is there any show open to the public that would be close to this?
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Location: NJ | If it were open to the public, it'd be a total CattleCar and none of the exhibitors'd be able to write any business.
Right now, I'm working (simultaneously) on a diamond show, a stationery show, an eyewear show, a giftwear show, a jewelry show, and a fancy food show. All of these are open to the "trade only" and have stringent requirements to admission. If they allowed the public, they be spending a goodly amount of time policing the booths to ensure nothing gets ripped-off, fielding questions from those who are "just looking", or perhaps MIGHT buy one unit, taking time/attention away from those looking to do BUSINESS, and allowing public access would probably quadruple the amount of traffic on an already overcrowded exhibit floor thereby causing legitimate attendees to shy away . . .
SOME shows do offer one "Publc Day", but Security/CrowdControl (post9/11) is a nightmare.
We just opened the NewYorkMotorcycle Show this weekend, and it's a mass of leather-clad human(?)ity lined-up around the corner to get in - mostly gawkers/wannabees who'll probably only "buy" from the accessory/trinket FleaMarket down in the lower level. I have an AccessBadge, but I tend to stay far away.
The REAL "fun" comes when the plastic surgeon's convention comes to town and you have to work out the logistics of the delivery/handling of plastic containers of severed cadaver heads used for procedural demonstrations . . .
. . . ahhh, "ShowBiz" . . .
Your best bet MIGHT be a large, "regional" guitar show, but those oftimes tend to be used/vintage FleaMarkets. |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | Steve - I went to a show in Reading, PA - they had new, used, vintage, parts, everything. It wasn't that big, so it really only took 1/2 a day to see all of it. It was worth it though and they did have some decent O stuff. StuartMiller picked up his Mandacello there. I got some good parts.
Here's a couple of links to sites that list shows:
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Location: Houston, Texas | Originally posted by cliff:
The REAL "fun" comes when the plastic surgeon's convention comes to town and you have to work out the logistics of the delivery/handling of plastic containers of severed cadaver heads used for procedural demonstrations . . .
. . . ahhh, "ShowBiz" . . . And are you responsible for procurring such items? :eek:
Only in Jersey.... :(
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Location: Houston, Texas | Hmm, seems there's a few OFCer's we haven't heard from in a while... |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by cwk2:
Are they ex-musician parts? At least they're working. |
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| Crimson Lake,
If there's a Carolina guitar show in Charlotte this year I could check that out. I guess the exhibitors do shows on a full-time basis. Be interesting to see how many O's and A's show up.
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Location: Houston, Texas | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Originally posted by cwk2:
Are they ex-musician parts? At least they're working.
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Location: closely held secret | Happy I could help you achieve one of your life-goals, Rick! |
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | Does anyone else think it is a little odd that I am the only person to post a picture of some of the Ovation guitars that were at NAMM and I am in Ohio and never left the state.
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Location: NJ | There was a bunch posted on the AcousticGuitar Board, but none of it (naturally) was Ovation-related. |
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Location: SoCal | Take a look in my gallery......
What I found interesting is that Ovation is really getting into shiny bowls. The guitar in the glass case is a 2080 that was hand painted.... the price tag was $10k.
The guitar that Witko is holding is whatever the Ute became, but it's got a shiny bowl that's got all kinds of sparkle in it.
There was also a 2080 with a shiny contour bowl.
Interesting stuff. If you really want to see what the Adamas Custom Shop can do, call for their catalog. When you order a guitar, you can mix and match to your hearts content. |
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | Thanks Moody, I really like that shiny bowl. Is it the same material? Was the shiny bowl on that dark adamas.
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Location: SoCal | The same material as what?
The shiny contoured bowl was on a 2080, I think. |
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | I am curious if the bowl material is the same as a current LX's, lighter, etc. Is it just a shiny paint, eposy, or a new material composite of somekind.
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Location: SoCal | I believe that the bowl was the older hand laid fiberglass, but I'm not certain. I know that since Ovation did those bowls for their reissues, they've also been using them for other projects. |
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Location: SoCal | Custom Shop Catalog/brochure says:
Body Configuration Options:
glass black bowl
deep non-cutaway handmade fiberglass
contour handmade fiberglass
deep non-cutaway standard on 1687
deep non-cutaway GS, standard on 1680
deep cutaway, standard on 1581
mid-depth cutaway GS
super shallow GS
Body Finish:
prism metal flake
gloss black
Adamas I flake
not sure what was on one of them but actually picked up the guitar thinking it would be heavy-had a finish that looked like the old marbles from the school yard days.
Also, Binding and Purfling - avail on 2080 only:
Creme, Ivoroid binding, tortoise shell binding
Inlaid maple Adamas logo is standard on the 1581 AND price list we saw on the factory site - wrong, Adamas II is deep bowl. |
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Location: Germany | Thanks Tony for the info!
Can somebody scan the Adamas Custom Shop brochure and send it to Jerome? I fear it takes month (if at all) until the brochure is distributed all over the world.
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Location: SoCal | I've already mailed off a copy of the Ovation and Adamas Custom Shop brochured to Jerome. |
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Location: Germany | Great Paul! Knowing Jerome, we'll see it soon.
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I'll put these catalogs on the site when they will be arrived.
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Location: SoCal | Customer Service should just send him everything...he probably has more traffic than OvationGuitars.com or AdamasGuitars.com combined. :p :p :p |
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Location: Paris/France | Originally posted by Tony Calman:
Customer Service should just send him everything... I'm not often in contact with the guys at the Factory (John and Andy) because I don't want to bore them.
But each time, they have been so nice and so helpful with me!!! ;)
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Well, Here are some Pictures from NAMM:
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Location: SoCal | Good pics. The 1680 has the glittery shiny deep bowl. The 2080 has the shiny contour bowl. That one surprised me with the bowl..... |
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Location: south east Michigan | I like the "A" logo with the fingerprint behind it. I take it that represents the Custom Shop where you can order a guitar as unique as your fingerprint. |
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Location: NJ | Yeah, I like it as well. This is the first I've seen it . . .
I REALLY like the "concept" of it, but I personally would've done the "execution" a bit differently . . .
(But then, wtf do I know?? . . . I'm always the one grumbling when the client's always trying t'be an "ArtDirector" . . .)
Any more pictures of the overall booth?? |
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Location: Upper Left USA | So, will there be a "Carvin"-like catalog out soon? |
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Location: south east Michigan | Cliff.... I bet you would love to land the design job for the next Ovation booth. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Is there a "Write in" ballot somewhere? |
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Location: Paris/France | I've put nice pics from Paul on the site: HERE!!
I'll be glad to add more pics if anyone wants to send them to me. ;)
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I'm in love with that custom shop 2080. Black/grey burst GLOSS top, GLOSS contour bowl, GLOSS neck, Gloss everything. Should rank right up there with the Q as being a fingerprint-meister. But I love it (more than you think).
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Originally posted by Slipkid:
Cliff.... I bet you would love to land the design job for the next Ovation booth. Oh hell, he'd prob'ly do it for nothin' just for the love of the gaaaame! Right?
Or maybe a #47... |
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Location: NJ | I don't need no steenking #47!!
(I've got #54).
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | More from NAMM:
"ChinOs":
Blackbird- Cool concept in a travel guitar. Phenolic Resin Hollowbody (including neck with soundhole where the TRC would be) with Carbon fiber top:
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
I wonder who's going to end up buying that 2080 that Tup's in love with? Some dealer bought it. Dave |
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | Awesome pictures!! Thanks Heard on another site that that carbon travel guitar is $1500. Hard to believe.
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | That shiny 2080 seems to me to be greatly influenced by CA. Almost looks like a CA. I think they know where their competition is. That whole shiny bowl thing could be a wind blowing from the south. They may end up doing it better, sparkles are cool.
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by cliff:
Who's that in the last pic playing the Adamas with the Gband?? That's Harvey Reid with my new ex-Witko Adamas 2. As that pic was taken he'd just taken off a GB-1 at the 10th fret and switched to a Shubb partial at the 2nd. Harvey pretty much invented the entire concept of the partial capo 30 years ago. Harvey is a real nice guy and a KILLER player. Kinda freaked me out a little when he came back a second year to watch my demo! Harvey and Jeff Hickey designed the 3rd Hand Capo in the early 80's and the industry seems to be getting hip to the partial capo deal right about now. Just watch some bigshot with a ton of marketing dollars try to claim it as theirs. |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by 45flint:
That shiny 2080 seems to me to be greatly influenced by CA.
Steve Time for a reality check. CA are hardly in a position to be influencing the company that established the concept of a non-wood acoustic guitar in the global market place and have held the position of the ONLY composite instrument to have mass market acceptance for over 30 years.
There were several reasons why I made a point of visiting the CA stand. 1)I thought I liked them a few years ago at NAMM but the ambient noise in hall E made it impossible to be sure 2) They were a really nice bunch of guys 3) I'd run out of the bottle of Louisiana Hot Sauce they gave me. Fortunately this time they were up and out of the mayhem.
So, my impressions. The Dreadnought style guitar sounds exactly like a really expensive, absolutely stellar wooden dreadnought. Which is exactly why I hated it. Great guitar, I'm sure it will be very successful but not for me. The X was wonderful. Has everything I want in a guitar. They had 3 on the booth, all sounded different, 2 I loved and 1 was mediocre. So much for carbon fibre consistency. If there was no such thing as an Adamas I'd play CA, but right now I have no need for one. |
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Location: Paris/France | Originally posted by kid-school:
Great Paul! Knowing Jerome, we'll see it soon.
Karl The package is arrived 30 minutes ago.
The Custom Shop Brochure is viewable ON THIS PAGE
I hope you will enjoy it.
Thank you so much Paul !!!
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Brochure says "go to the adamasguitars.com website for more detailed information".
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | Paul, No one is arguing against what Ovation has done for pioneering and mainstreaming the concept of a non wood guitar. Without an Ovation there would probably not have been a CA. But innovation I think often happens at the fringes. I am not sure the reality check needs to be here. If you look at the current CA's with the gloss bursting and the custom 2080 gloss burst the similarity is striking. I appreciate your impressions of their guitars at NAMM but for the life of me I can't understand why anyone with an appreciation for what Ovation has done would not just say "go for it guys". I talked with a custom wood guitar builder that knows some of the player endorsers of CA guitar and they say that there is inconsistancy in their sound from guitar to guitar which is puzzling. Competition is a good thing and drives all to be better, the custom shop is a great example of this. Build your own guitar how cool is that. In the end we all get something that is better. Watch I bet int he future the custom shop will have a graphite bowl option, why not.
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Location: NJ | the 2080 gloss burst is similar to an Adamas Q in fact that was the vibe Rick Hall was trying to get. How do I know? He told me so at Namm on thursday morning about 10 am.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Steve:
Wonder what they would charge for a 'Custom Shop 1581' in Baritone?...that would be sweet! Can't stop looking at that guitar!.. The 1581 CSA that was on display had a list of something like $4200. Probably Bari pushes it up near $4500. list.
All 4 of the displays had list prices $4200-$4700. range. CSA will not be cheap.
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Location: Germany | They write that top finishes can be changed to a stock color and a non-stock color. Does that mean you can get any color without restrictions?
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Just guessing, but I would think:
- change to another stock color is small upcharge
- have them do a custom color is big upcharge
I'm sure there are things they will NOT do, either because it's techncially too difficult or it just violates their "principles".
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Location: Germany | Dave, that makes sense to me. Studying the brochure another question came up. They write peghead can be "carved and slotted". Is that the peghead of the original slotheads? What do you think?
Also interesting to see that they can do the 1 7/8" and even a 2" neck.
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Location: Paris/France | I've converted the Adamas Custom Shop brochure in PDF file. ;)
Click here to download
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by kid-school:
They write peghead can be "carved and slotted". Is that the peghead of the original slotheads? What do you think? That's my interpretation. But I think it would be on a standard 1687 type body and fretboard. Just like some of the later slotheads they made for Marcel Dadi. I am guessing that the golden inlays, and decorative golden accented body binding are history as of the 47RI and OFC Guitar.
Originally posted by kid-school:
Also interesting to see that they can do the 1 7/8" and even a 2" neck. They have been doing this all along. Someone in the OFC even ordered a 2-1/8 inch neck. You can't assume all the options listed are mutually compatible. For example I'm pretty sure you can not get a 2080 with a carved slotted headstock on 2 inch neck. Or maybe anything is possible for a price. But based on what my dealer has told me, it seems the walnut slotted headstock neck is only available up to 1-3/4 width. It may have something to do with the jigs and tools used to make them, just a guess on my part.
The other thing to keep in mind, and we do this in my own business, don't assume that just because it's listed as an option that it will really be available. Just an example (I make this up), the public including the OFC screams for slotted carved headstocks. But the factory does not want to do them because they are a huge pain in the ass. So they put them on the option list to quiet the masses, but they price them so outrageously that in the end nobody buys them. We do that in my work. We call it Posturing.
Anyway, it will be cool to see what kind of CSA guitars people spec out and buy. I'm going to set up a part of my website to feature these instruments as they come to life.
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