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Location: Westchester, NY | I have an old Celebrity acoustic that I tune to Open E, I recently found small vertical cracks in the finish just below the bridge. I think the open tunings might have something to do with this.
I recently bought a used Elite, I want to start tuning it to open E, but Im afraid it might crack the finish like it did on my Celebrity. Should I be worried?
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Location: Athens, GA & Gnashville | While I am very doubtful the open E tuning is an issue here, it would be helpful to know what gauge strings you are using. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Answer; NO. go for it.
Ever play anything in open Em? |
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Location: Athens, GA & Gnashville | There you have it!
I play in open Em7(add 4). ;) |
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Location: Scotland | There's lots of factors that can cause finish cracks, open E tuning isn't one of them. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | How about Em? Hopefully that won't cause cracks either. |
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Location: Athens, GA & Gnashville | I've never tried Em, Mr. B (oh nooooooooooooo!!).
Tell me about it. |
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Location: Scotland | I've been using E modal a lot lately for slide and lap steel. (DADGAD up 1 tone) Might just drop that A down to G and try Em.
Just discovered a great lapsteel tuning. Take a major tuning like E (or D) and drop the first string a half-tone to the major 7th. Then take the 5th string up a tone to the 6th. Great for western swing and early country. Kinda gets some of that 8 string vibe on a 6 string. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Just like Dm but up two. Sonny Landreth does "Congo Square" in Dm. I recently did a tune in open Dm with a slide. You work around the 5th, 7th and 12th and anywhere else you can get away with it.
Goob, you must have played some slide in your days, no? |
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Location: Athens, GA & Gnashville | Pedal steel, only. Oh the insanity!!
Sonny knocks me clean off by bar stool, though!! |
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Location: Westchester, NY | Thanks for the replys, I use Medium Adamas Phosphor Bronze strings.
I never tried Em Or Em7(add 4) but Im game (so many tunings so little practice time).
Paul, is there a thread or FAQ that speaks to finish cracks and their causes? |
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Location: Athens, GA & Gnashville | BTW, welcome foyle!
Em7(add 4) is just fancy schmancy way of saying regular tuning. Sorry for any confusion, but that's why I'm GOOBER.
Most finish cracks in my Ovations occurred due to radical temperature changes the guitars were exposed to over a short time span. I can't speak for others on this matter. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Oh yeah, welcome Foyle
try this is Em
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That was the lick of my tune, then 5th fret and back open, 5th fret and slide up to 7
There ws a right hand picking pattern too but just play around with the chords, you'll find your own. I like using a heavy glass slide for acoustics, better tone. |
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Location: Athens, GA & Gnashville | Bill, are you just raising the 4th and 5th strings 2 frets? I have never studied Landreth's tunings, I just love his touch and tone and notes and feel and......... |
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Location: Orlando, FL | Landreth's South of I-10 is one of my all time favorite CDs. And Congo Square is my favorite Landreth song. I am definitely going to try that Em tuning. Thanks! Love his stuff with Hiatt and the Goners too. |
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Location: Athens, GA & Gnashville | And Buffett, too! He is an irregular part of Jimmy's band now and has played on his last several CDs. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Goober, That's basically the tuning. I usually use Dm so I leave those two and drop everything else down 2. It's a fun tuning to play around with. Make sure you have the slide handy. |
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Location: Athens, GA & Gnashville | Got it. Thanks....now to find that old Cori bottle around here somewhere. |
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Location: NJ | y'gotta get one of those Nunwell blown-glass ones from Matt Smith's website . . .
they's "th'Shizzle"!!
(make great shot glasses, too . . .
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Do like Gatton and use a 3/4 full Henekin over the top. |
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Location: GA USA | Originally posted by foyle:
so many tunings so little practice time Well said.
I've been working hard to get acquainted with open G and open D. I'm still pretty slide-spastic, though.
Jason, did you ever send that slide? I never got it. I'm still using a Craftsman 11/16. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | it only holds about half a shot though. |
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Location: NJ | I got fat fingers . . . |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | The"short cut capo's" are pretty cool for getting alternative tunings with still familiar chord forms. Temp showed me the theory behind it. It's fairly simple and sounds great. |
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Location: Scotland | The partial capo thing is great fun, doesn't work for slide though. |
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Location: NJ | For that, y'need a dawbroh caahpoh. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Aye, that's right there sonny. |
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Location: NJ | git y'hand out y'kilt an' clamp un on . . . |
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Really. Nobody wears black socks with a kilt anymore... fashion faux pas. "But, what's worn under your kilt?" |
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Location: closely held secret | Right back atcha, Jeff.
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Matt may not have the nicest legs but, he really "Sells It!" |
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Location: NJ | whew! . . .
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Location: Scotland | ON NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! It looks like Witko is about to stick it to me.
I wouldn't mind, but he's so damn rough. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | That's just not right......... |
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Location: Scotland | Just a thought to the the kind of message we're putting out here guys. Folyle, in his 2nd post, asks a serious question about open tunings, and within a few responses we get to the Highland Clansman Cross-dressing caber tossing club. Bearing in mind that everyone in the doctored pic is a regular tour attendee, I wonder how many people are cancelling their flights right now. |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by cruster:
QUOTE]"But, what's worn under your kilt?" Sorry almost missed that one. It's an oldie but a classic..... There's nothing worn under my kilt, it's all in perfect working order. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Heh-heh... "Caber Tossers" |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
Folyle, in his 2nd post, asks a serious question about open tunings, and within a few responses we get to the Highland Clansman Cross-dressing caber tossing club. Paul, that is unfair and just so not true.
It took almost a whole page. |
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Location: NJ | s'better than "Salad Tossers" . . . |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I don't equate string tension to finish cracks at all - which was the original question.
I think you are looking at the wrong cause for the effect.
My favorite open tuning is Open G, which I have learned is "taro patch".
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Location: Midland, MI | For the record, the damage was done before I got here. Honest. ;)
As to string tension and finish cracks...I don't think so. I could go with some bellying of the top behind the bridge (and maybe some sinking in front of the bridge as well), which *may* lead to finish cracks. But, if you're not seeing that, then the finish cracks are likely caused by something else. Like, maybe shrinkage of the finishing material? Dunno, I'm not a luthier and I don't play one on TeeVee.
As to open tunings...I have a hard enough time with standard tuning. There's no way I'm going to attempt learning how to play with an alternate tuning. Unless it makes the Potsy chord sound fuller, then I might try... :D |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | The open tuning is more likely to cause the neck to pull up some than the finish to crack.
Now, back to the salad tossers in plaid. |
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| I always break my 3rd string... or 4th string... whatever it is. The 3rd lowest string. In standard tuning it's a D. I always break it tuning back and forth between Em and standard tuning. ): |
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Location: East Tennessee | Originally posted by cruster:
Unless it makes the Potsy chord sound fuller, then I might try... :D OK, I'll bite what's The Potsy Chord? |
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Location: GA USA | I'm with GGG on this. I Googled it, but no help. Potsy Duncan or Potsy Webber? |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | "Happy Days"... Potsy was in the band... |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Potsy couldn't play so the hand movements and "Potsy chords" were barely following along.
Like watching Danny Bonaduce trying to pick up Bass riffs! |
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Location: GA USA | So, a Potsy Chord is something a non-player does to try and look as if he's playing. Gotcha. |
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Location: NJ | Come to the Tour/Jam.
You'll see Moody doing aLOT of it . . . |
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Location: cincinnati, ohio | Original quote by Cruster: As to open tunings...I have a hard enough time with standard tuning. There's no way I'm going to attempt learning how to play with an alternate tuning.
For anyone who's interested in getting open and alternate tuning sounds without re-tuning, check out this little article about partial capoing I did for Guitarnoise.com:
http://www.guitarnoise.com/article.php?id=450
The neat thing about partial capoing is that you can use your regular finger patterns, for the most part, and play a lot of funky, open-tuned sounding chords with one or two fingers. That's about MY speed! |
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Location: GA USA | Moody and I may have to have a Potsy-off. It sounds like my normal style. I'm big on the 2-finger G (although the Slipkid G is becoming more natural to me) and the one-finger A-form 3-string quasi-barre chords.
I also like hyphens, apparently. |
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Location: GA USA | Originally posted by rick endres:
check out this little article about partial capoing I did for Guitarnoise.com Thanks, Ricky-Bobby. I'm going to explore that method as soon as I find the time. |
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Location: cincinnati, ohio | Ricky-Bobby...That's almost as good as my blues name! |
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Location: Athens, GA & Gnashville | Jerry Reed has a cool tuning that he occasionally uses that I had never see before:
G6 tuning
DGDEBD
It makes for nice walk downs on the third string and interesting bar chord variations. |
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Location: SoCal | I'll have to try that. I remember reading someplace, not too long ago, that the open G tuning was nice, but not too sophisticated and that people who use it usually didn't stay with it long. Obviously, the writer wasn't familiar with Reed's work. |
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Location: NJ | G6 isn't the same as Open G.
Here is a REAL good book on the subject:
Alternate Tunings
It even lists a bunch of popular songs that were written/recorded with each specific tuning . . .
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Location: Athens, GA & Gnashville | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
I'll have to try that. I remember reading someplace, not too long ago, that the open G tuning was nice, but not too sophisticated and that people who use it usually didn't stay with it long. Obviously, the writer wasn't familiar with Reed's work. The reason I bought that 1773LX was to have really good axe that will STAY in G tuning most of the time. It is that critical for slack key, Reed and Atkins stuff. |
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Location: GA USA | Rick, do you happen to have a handy chart of your favorite chords for double drop E? |
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Location: Scotland | Using a partial capo in the Esus configuration is deceptively simple. (Esus4 is strings 3,4 and 5 capo’d at fret 2) It’s just like having a regular capo at Fret 2 using any chords from the key of D (sounding as E) You may leave combinations of the top 2 strings open or not to get the open-tuning simulation.
It gets even more interesting as you move up the neck. Capo strings 3,4 & 5 at fret 4 playing chords from the key of C, again you have the choice to leave the top strings open or not.
Capo at Fret 5 using chords from the key of B (or Bminor) Fret 7 use chords from the key of A and Fret 9 using chords from the key of G.
With the capo in the higher positions you have the opportunity to play above and below it. It’s also possible to combine with conventional capos or other partials such as the G-band. I have a couple of song arrangements where I use 2 Shubb partials together, covering strings 3, 4 and 5, 1 at the 2nd fret and the other at the 9th. I take off the capo at the 9th halfway through the song. Gets some weird looks from the audience! |
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Location: GA USA | That helps. I have an extra capo that I was planning to cut. So, Paul, with your Esus, I would cut out the 1,2 and 6 string positions, rather than just the 1 and 6, right? |
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Location: Scotland | Correct. You can also flip that config over to cover strings 2, 3 & 4 giving you an open A effect. |
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | Here is a link to the Kyser site with some pretty good video's on using the short cut.
Kyser Video Page |
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Location: NJ | I've got one of those KyserShortCuts (ThankYouAgain, MasterTempleman) and they ARE really cool!! Especially with a LongNeck!
I find them t'be a bit more intuitive t'use than the G-Band - not to "knock" the G-bands - they're GREAT as well, - just different animals.
. . . and I readily admit to being a Bear of Very Limited MusicalBrain.
I've seen WillyPorter do the multiple partial-capo thing live . . . very cool.
At one point he moves the capo(s) around . . . mid-song.
I'm thinking about getting a new Kyser and cutting my old one down to where it'll leave strings 1 and 6 "open". That way, I can put it on the LongNeck at the second fret and effectively have DoubleDrop"D" tuning whenever I want/need it . . . |
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Location: cincinnati, ohio | Original quote by Captain Lovehandles:
Rick, do you happen to have a handy chart of your favorite chords for double drop E?
I'll see if I can get one together and e-mail it to you. Most of the time I put the partial capo on the 5th fret and play in the key of "G" using "D" based forms. I play "Take It Easy" and "Pink Houses" like that. The most common chords are:
D5: 0 0 0 2 3 0
G6: 0 2 0 0 3 0
Asus4: 0 0 2 0 3 0
Am7: 0 0 2 0 1 0
Most of these are normal chord forms. Play "Bm" and "Bm7" barre chords as you normally do. You can play regular "G" and "G5" chords as you normally do as well.
The "Esus" configuration Paul mentioned is easy and a lot of fun. I put the partial capo on the 3rd fret and the regular capo on the first fret. All the chords are one finer chords except for the "D," which uses two fingers.
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Location: cincinnati, ohio | Original quote by rick endres:
The "Esus" configuration Paul mentioned is easy and a lot of fun. I put the partial capo on the 3rd fret and the regular capo on the first fret. All the chords are one finger chords except for the "D," which uses two fingers.
I meant to add that I play Gordon Lightfoot's "Sundown" this way. Beats holding the barre chord through the whole song! |
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Location: GA USA | Thanks, Rick. Lookie here at the chart I found at praisecharts.com:
I was working last night on progressions in various keys. One thing I'm finding helpful is learning the forms by numbers, not letters. |
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Location: GA USA | A li'l progress update. I led worship at church all by my lonesome and did two songs with my short cut capo. Easy, and gets a good response. The first time I snapped it on in band practice, the band started wanting me to use it more. I am holding out, and using it sparingly to set my solo playing apart from the band style.
I guess the past year has seen me progress more than in previous years. Playing in a band has helped me stay in practice. Learning this technique, some slide, different tunings... after playing for 27 years, I may be getting better.
My next step may be to start a free beginning guitar class for children. I'm thinking seriously about it. |
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Location: SoCal | Cap'n, that's a great chart. I see lots of possibilities in my church band playing for that. Thank you.... |
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Location: GA USA | Lemme know if you get the hang of that F#m. Reaching around the capo is gonna take more practice than I've been doing.
BTW, I cut up an old Kyser, and it works fine. |
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