Balladeers - When did they change?
BigRed1951
Posted 2007-03-07 1:40 PM (#111787)
Subject: Balladeers - When did they change?


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I was in my local Guitar Center last week and they had a 1995 Balladeer, all acoustic, for sale. Since I own an all-acoustic 1972 Balladeer, S/N 001697, I picked it up and played it for a few minutes. It was barely the same guitar as mine. The first difference, is it felt like it weighed about twice as much, even though I'm sure that's an exageration. Second, the neck was entirely different ... gone is the slender, fast neck that I love so much.

The changes are dramatic, but it is still labelled a 1111. Just curious ... does anyone know when the dramatic change came to pass?
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Beal
Posted 2007-03-07 2:04 PM (#111788 - in reply to #111787)
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over time they follow the trends in the market.
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Waskel
Posted 2007-03-07 2:12 PM (#111789 - in reply to #111787)
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Hey, things change.


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Tupperware
Posted 2007-03-07 2:17 PM (#111790 - in reply to #111787)
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Am I the only one here that suspects that certain members have archives of picture files all nicely organized and sortable for any occasion? At the drop of a hat they can reach in to the files just like a quick draw shooter pulling his sidearm from the holster and almost instantaneously display the needed visual proof for any occasion.

Dave
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dvd
Posted 2007-03-07 2:18 PM (#111791 - in reply to #111787)
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LOL having a deja vu moment.. this is the view out my window right now: (neighbor's car)

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bauerhillboy
Posted 2007-03-07 2:26 PM (#111792 - in reply to #111787)
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I'm guessing you have a TRC on your '72. That guitar would have a more traditional neck w/ truss rod. The '95 has a Kaman Bar in the neck. Do some searching around and you'll find a pic. The bar was large and, though made of aluminium, it was heavy. It made for a VERY stable neck and bolted well to the bowl.
The bar required a change in the neck profile to allow for the depth of the bar. If you try to remove much of the "vee" in the neck you hit aluminum (UK: aluminium).
With the arrival of the new neck design there's no more Kaman Bar (I'm guessing there's one in cwk2's basement), and a shallower neck profile is back.

John <>{
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brainslag
Posted 2007-03-07 3:26 PM (#111793 - in reply to #111787)
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LOL, ah-loom-in-EEE-um. :D
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Waskel
Posted 2007-03-07 3:35 PM (#111794 - in reply to #111787)
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Originally posted by Tupperware:
Am I the only one here that suspects that certain members have archives of picture files all nicely organized and sortable for any occasion? At the drop of a hat they can reach in to the files just like a quick draw shooter pulling his sidearm from the holster and almost instantaneously display the needed visual proof for any occasion.

Dave
You caught me, Dave. You are spot on. I have a HUGE archive of photos which I can draw on anytime I need a suitable picture to make a point or perhaps amuse you.

I call it Google Images.
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Jason_S
Posted 2007-03-07 3:43 PM (#111795 - in reply to #111787)
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al-u-mini-um...i thinks thats what the brits call it...lol jason
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-03-07 4:33 PM (#111796 - in reply to #111787)
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Originally posted by brainslag:
LOL, ah-loom-in-EEE-um. :D
Now that you can pronounce it properly, we'll have to work on your spelling.....

though it's even more accurate to pronounce the 'min' as the stressed sylable....
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cliff
Posted 2007-03-07 4:34 PM (#111797 - in reply to #111787)
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nah, it's "fookin' mheh-uhl!" . . .
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richardd
Posted 2007-03-07 4:41 PM (#111798 - in reply to #111787)
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....down under it's called al - you - mini - um
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Beal
Posted 2007-03-07 5:25 PM (#111799 - in reply to #111787)
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right.
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lanaki
Posted 2007-03-07 5:49 PM (#111800 - in reply to #111787)
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and it's a "jag-you-are" too...

didn't know that til i bought one in 1983. worst auto purchase i ever made thanks to the lucas electronics company.
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Old Applause Owner
Posted 2007-03-07 5:50 PM (#111801 - in reply to #111787)
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Down on the farm, we just called it "tinfoil"...... :D

NICE 2005/2006/2007 Mustang GT..... :cool:

Roger
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Old Applause Owner
Posted 2007-03-07 6:01 PM (#111802 - in reply to #111787)
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Forgot to mention, dvd's neighbor's car looks EXACTLY like my first car, a 1964 1/2 hardtop. Maybe now I know what happened to it???? :eek:

Roger
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philmax
Posted 2007-03-07 7:55 PM (#111803 - in reply to #111787)
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except dvd's neighbor's is a '66
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Slipkid
Posted 2007-03-07 8:13 PM (#111804 - in reply to #111787)
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I read that Mustang sales are down 16%.
They are going to bring back "British Racing Green" to help boost sales.
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cliff
Posted 2007-03-08 8:25 AM (#111805 - in reply to #111787)
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". . They are going to bring back "British Racing Green" to help boost sales . ."


Yeah, . . . THAT'll do it.
(Will they bring back the Desert Boots as well?? ;-)
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cholloway
Posted 2007-03-08 9:06 AM (#111806 - in reply to #111787)
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I doubt if just switching plates on that fastback will hide it from the authorities! :cool:

All together now "Off We Go Into the..."
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2007-03-08 9:22 AM (#111807 - in reply to #111787)
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That car needs mag wheels and it needs to be driven real fast in San Francisco.....
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cliff
Posted 2007-03-08 9:40 AM (#111808 - in reply to #111787)
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PLEASE tell me that car was "stick" . . . .
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brainslag
Posted 2007-03-08 9:53 AM (#111809 - in reply to #111787)
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Stick? Stuck maybe. Looks like he's trying to birth a baby calf out of the tailpipe.
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Slipkid
Posted 2007-03-08 10:11 AM (#111810 - in reply to #111787)
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Of course it was a stick.
That was a damn fine little car.

They hope the green will remind you of the Steve McQueen thing.
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cliff
Posted 2007-03-08 10:26 AM (#111811 - in reply to #111787)
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". . Of course it was a stick. . ."

AttaBoy!!!!
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Paulcc1
Posted 2007-03-08 10:45 AM (#111812 - in reply to #111787)
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It's not just it's a lance hello!
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Paulcc1
Posted 2007-03-08 11:05 AM (#111813 - in reply to #111787)
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What I meant to say it's not just a stick it's a lance.
Pauly
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bauerhillboy
Posted 2007-03-08 5:11 PM (#111814 - in reply to #111787)
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What's all the drooling? Back then Mustangs were just Falcons with different body panels (which took about a year to start rusting-through). Oh...sorry.
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Jason_S
Posted 2007-03-08 5:37 PM (#111815 - in reply to #111787)
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any way you put it its still a ford.......just not my thing...give me a 67'chevyII or a 65'malibu and day....JASON
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cliff
Posted 2007-03-08 6:20 PM (#111816 - in reply to #111787)
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make that a sixtySIX Malibu . . . metallic bleu, please . . .

MyFirstCar (sigh . . .).
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Waskel
Posted 2007-03-08 6:24 PM (#111817 - in reply to #111787)
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'63 Nova SS for me.
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lanaki
Posted 2007-03-08 6:26 PM (#111818 - in reply to #111787)
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'64 ford ranchero, custom, 289. need to find a pic and post it...
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Jason_S
Posted 2007-03-08 6:26 PM (#111819 - in reply to #111787)
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hard top or rag cliff? ive got a 65' hardtop ss tore apart in the garage. the old lady's brother has a 65' ragtop malibu thats been totaly resotred..beautiful car...jason
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lanaki
Posted 2007-03-08 10:14 PM (#111820 - in reply to #111787)
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my '64 ranchero. only pic i could find. it's actually my second car as i bought it soon after my brother wrecked the cadillac i was given as a graduation gift from high school. this was a sweet ride and the only ford car i have owned. had a 289, holley 4 on the floor and an 8-track. many girls and surfboards have ridden in the back.
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lanaki
Posted 2007-03-08 10:23 PM (#111821 - in reply to #111787)
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:cool:
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lanaki
Posted 2007-03-08 10:28 PM (#111822 - in reply to #111787)
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i don't think this has anything to do with balladeers, but this is what i looked like back when i was driving that ranchero. i'm the one on the left.
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Jason_S
Posted 2007-03-08 10:29 PM (#111823 - in reply to #111787)
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im sorry you had to own a ford randy...looks like a nice one none the less tho...jason
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MWoody
Posted 2007-03-08 10:51 PM (#111824 - in reply to #111787)
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I remember thinking that if Chevy would only put the Distributer in the right place like a Ford it would be a nice engine. Dodges were just wrong.

Now the only reason to lift the hood is to add washer fluid and when the cat has been missing for a few days.
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ignimbyte
Posted 2007-03-09 10:06 AM (#111825 - in reply to #111787)
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:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: hmm... I wonder how this thread went from balladeers to the muscle cars of yesterday hmm... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Waskel
Posted 2007-03-09 10:48 AM (#111826 - in reply to #111787)
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My fault, Gil... a good analogy gone bad.
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Slipkid
Posted 2007-03-09 11:28 AM (#111827 - in reply to #111787)
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I also contributed to the diversion.
But it seemed as tho the question was asked and answered.
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Waskel
Posted 2007-03-09 11:43 AM (#111828 - in reply to #111787)
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Well, yeah. Bill answered it in the second post.

Everything else is just gravy. Gravy for the brain.
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-03-09 11:54 AM (#111829 - in reply to #111787)
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Lanaki, nice hair, sweet ride.

This was what the hippy musician drove.
Mine was faded fire engine red.
Seats three, hauls 12+, sleeps 6
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lanaki
Posted 2007-03-09 2:05 PM (#111830 - in reply to #111787)
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fillhixx,
i wish i still had the hair and the ranchero. as far as the girl, she was wonderful but it's her dad's teethmarks i still wear under my right armpit.
("now wasn't that a tasty dish to set before the king?")
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Jason_S
Posted 2007-03-09 2:07 PM (#111831 - in reply to #111787)
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ouch randy, i carry a similer scar on my right shoulder..lol

im not a ford man but the ranchero was a sweet looking car/truck...throw a couple or guitars in the back and head to the beach.....jason
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lanaki
Posted 2007-03-09 2:10 PM (#111832 - in reply to #111787)
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it just dawned on me what this all has to do with balladeers. the girl in the picture, leslie, fell in love with me after she heard me singing ballads. that'll work and now i feel somewhat relieved for my part in hijacking this thread.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2007-03-09 2:16 PM (#111833 - in reply to #111787)
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I'll bet it was the hair, not the ballads.
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lanaki
Posted 2007-03-09 2:21 PM (#111834 - in reply to #111787)
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aww mark, if it was the hair then i have no excuse for the hijack. come on...
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-03-09 4:31 PM (#111835 - in reply to #111787)
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Yeah, yeah...the car's nice too.....
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lanaki
Posted 2007-03-09 4:36 PM (#111836 - in reply to #111787)
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one of my stepdads had a '58 or '59 chevy panel truck that he used for his art business. we painted it emerald green and he then painted "Village Art & Sign Shoppe" logos on both side panels. seeing the pic of the hippy musician's wheels reminded me of that.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2007-03-09 6:45 PM (#111837 - in reply to #111787)
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All us old guys know that the cars, the hair and guitars were all part of the same package--anything to pick up chicks. So hair and car discussions aren't off topic.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-03-09 8:18 PM (#111838 - in reply to #111787)
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Old Farts!
All the cool cars are gone.
My hair is going with them.
All the hippie musicians are dying.
All the chicks are getting old with me.
(The young cuties will land my butt in prison.)
Gave-up drinking and drugs.
(Even Keith Richards sez the drugs ain't no good anymore.)

But I refuse to give up. I'll sit around and make the young'uns listen to all them ancient songs, on the oldest (Ovation) guitar I can find (afford).

Oh, and the necks on both of my guitars with Kaman bars are heavier than the one with a Truss Rod. (1621)
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2007-03-09 8:38 PM (#111839 - in reply to #111787)
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The "young cuties" to me are still over 30. Over 40 is still young, too.
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lanaki
Posted 2007-03-09 8:53 PM (#111840 - in reply to #111787)
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old man arthur,
there's a ballad in the making in your last post above.

(just keepin' it real and on topic!)
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cholloway
Posted 2007-03-10 3:19 AM (#111841 - in reply to #111787)
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Never heard of someone that hated Rancheros enough to make tham bite!!!

Not like my '57 Chevy station wagon with curtains around the back windows.
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