Do some songs go on just to long???
Slipkid
Posted 2007-03-07 8:34 PM (#111685)
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Does Hey Jude really need to go through the "nana na naaas" 17 times??
Although I love The Who's "Pure & Easy" after the 6th "there once was a note....listen", I'm ready to say enough already.... end it.
Do they do this just to make the song fit into radio airplay standards?
We counted them one day and I think that Eddie Rabbit "Loves a Rainy Night" something like 47 times.
Or... maybe I have the attention span of a 6 year old.
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Tommy M.
Posted 2007-03-07 8:52 PM (#111686 - in reply to #111685)
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Brad you're just paying attention. Actually I think there is a hypnotic hook with the repeating verses that stick in your mind. Part of the formula for some hit records. In the old days they had to do it without copy and paste.
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Slipkid
Posted 2007-03-07 8:59 PM (#111687 - in reply to #111685)
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hypnotic hook with the repeating verses that stick in your mind.
That makes sense.
Like...
"Way down... below the ocean.... where I want to be... she may be"
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-03-07 9:08 PM (#111688 - in reply to #111685)
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Wa-ay back when I first worked in radio we used to call those bathroom records. Many old broadcasters still get a Pavlovian urge to vacate every time one of 'those' songs comes on.
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Slipkid
Posted 2007-03-07 9:10 PM (#111689 - in reply to #111685)
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Pavlovian urge to vacate
:D
I gotta remember that one.
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lanaki
Posted 2007-03-07 9:16 PM (#111690 - in reply to #111685)
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-03-07 9:36 PM (#111691 - in reply to #111685)
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Yak
Posted 2007-03-07 9:46 PM (#111692 - in reply to #111685)
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The long intro to Pink Floyd's, Shine on you crazy diamond makes me loose interest in the song before it gets good.

I think a song should be 7-8 minutes maximum. Anything more is just playing around for no reason.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-03-07 9:49 PM (#111693 - in reply to #111685)
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"Way down... below the ocean.... where I want to be... she may be"

The continent of Atlantis was an island, located in what we now call the Atlantic Ocean... yada yada.

Thanx Brad... I hadn't thought of that song for years. Now it will be stuck in my head while I searching for a REAL song in there. Thanx alot!
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cliff
Posted 2007-03-07 10:13 PM (#111694 - in reply to #111685)
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". . Every tune ever done by Journey . ."
A(fookin')MEN!!
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Goober
Posted 2007-03-07 10:21 PM (#111695 - in reply to #111685)
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Anything I try to sing is WAY too long from the "get go!!" It's really embarrassing for someone that made his living as a songwriter for 15 years. :( :eek:
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-03-07 10:22 PM (#111696 - in reply to #111685)
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Puff The Magic Dragon. I mean, there's a kid, a dragon, some wax and the dude dies. So let's get it over in one verse and move on. Dave
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2007-03-07 10:22 PM (#111697 - in reply to #111685)
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Capo Guy
Posted 2007-03-07 10:28 PM (#111698 - in reply to #111685)
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Tommy M.
Posted 2007-03-07 10:34 PM (#111699 - in reply to #111685)
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This topic reminds me of the stupidity of some songs. example given: "You're in the dessert. You got nothin' else to do: NAME THE FREAKIN HORSE"
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Posted 2007-03-08 2:11 AM (#111700 - in reply to #111685)
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Originally posted by cliff:
". . Every tune ever done by Journey . ."
A(fookin')MEN!!
Thanks Jeff and Cliff. That was spoken like the true Air Supply fans that you are :D
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Slipkid
Posted 2007-03-08 6:52 AM (#111701 - in reply to #111685)
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Brian & I do "Share The Land" (Guess Who). We don't even try to copy the extended jam type ending. Without being a full band it's hard to keep the mojo up for that long. If we start getting bored anybody listening will surly be tired of it, too.

On the flip side, if you want to do a long ending to a song, the absolute perfect example of the way to do it right is... drum roll please .......Layla.
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cliff
Posted 2007-03-08 6:58 AM (#111702 - in reply to #111685)
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Slipkid
Posted 2007-03-08 7:04 AM (#111703 - in reply to #111685)
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a dragon, some wax and the dude dies
Little Jackie Paper doesn't die.
He grows up. Leaving Puff all alone and sad in his dark cold and lonely cave pineing away for the days when..when.. (sob) I can't talk about this right now. :(
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BluesSailor
Posted 2007-03-08 7:16 AM (#111704 - in reply to #111685)
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Pull yourself together man! Take a deep breath. It's alright.

Puff moved on and got a gig on 'The Lord Of The Rings'. He kinda digs the dark side.
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Capo Guy
Posted 2007-03-08 8:08 AM (#111705 - in reply to #111685)
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Originally posted by BluesSailor:

Puff moved on and got a gig on 'The Lord Of The Rings'. He kinda digs the dark side.
Yes but only after doing a bunch of those "Godzilla" flicks. :D
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2007-03-08 8:27 AM (#111706 - in reply to #111685)
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The original version of "Light My Fire" by the Doors was something like 12 minutes as I recall. Everybody went to the can when that one was played.
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cliff
Posted 2007-03-08 8:33 AM (#111707 - in reply to #111685)
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cliff
Posted 2007-03-08 8:34 AM (#111708 - in reply to #111685)
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cliff
Posted 2007-03-08 8:35 AM (#111709 - in reply to #111685)
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cliff
Posted 2007-03-08 8:35 AM (#111710 - in reply to #111685)
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cliff
Posted 2007-03-08 8:37 AM (#111711 - in reply to #111685)
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Beal
Posted 2007-03-08 9:04 AM (#111712 - in reply to #111685)
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Yes, some go on waaaay too long. Then some like the original version of Layla keep your attention and some of the Allman Brothers stuff, they had to be long so you could finish the joint.
Anyhow here on Amelia Island at the Florida House (www.friskymermaid.com) there is a singer/songwriter night every Wednesday. There's a topic, you write a tune and perform it. The ones that work are about 3-4 minutes long. You get longer than that and the vacate factor sets in. No big extended solos, most couldn't do one anyway and most acts are solo.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-03-08 9:15 AM (#111713 - in reply to #111685)
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Posted 2007-03-08 9:51 AM (#111714 - in reply to #111685)
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Beal
Posted 2007-03-08 10:00 AM (#111715 - in reply to #111685)
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that's a lot of Glade.
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Posted 2007-03-08 10:12 AM (#111716 - in reply to #111685)
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Posted 2007-03-08 10:39 AM (#111717 - in reply to #111685)
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Originally posted by Gospel Guitar Guy:
Originally posted by BluesSailor:

Puff moved on and got a gig on 'The Lord Of The Rings'. He kinda digs the dark side.
Yes but only after doing a bunch of those "Godzilla" flicks. :D
I think he's a body double for Trogdor the Burninator in his spare time.

Thanks, Arthur. I WAS thinkin Freebird from the second I saw the thread.
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Waskel
Posted 2007-03-08 10:46 AM (#111718 - in reply to #111685)
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Originally posted by Slipkid:
Does Hey Jude really need to go through the "nana na naaas" 17 times??
Yes.
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-03-08 10:47 AM (#111719 - in reply to #111685)
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Originally posted by cwk2:
Anyhow here on Amelia Island at the Florida House (www.friskymermaid.com) there is a singer/songwriter night every Wednesday. There's a topic, you write a tune and perform it.
Rumor has it that May 23rd some dude is gonna sing/play at this thing on ukulele. With a bearded backup on baritone slide. If you're in the neighborhood stop in.

Dave
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Slipkid
Posted 2007-03-08 11:24 AM (#111720 - in reply to #111685)
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"I'm So Glad".... It must take one heck of a drug induced stuper think that constitutes a song lyric.
Never liked that song.
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Posted 2007-03-08 11:31 AM (#111721 - in reply to #111685)
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in na gadda da vida


it has me till the drum solo
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Posted 2007-03-08 11:34 AM (#111722 - in reply to #111685)
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Slipkid
Posted 2007-03-08 12:05 PM (#111723 - in reply to #111685)
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Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Originally posted by Slipkid:
Does Hey Jude really need to go through the "nana na naaas" 17 times??
Yes.
I fully realize that it was like whacking a beehive with a stick when I used that example.
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-03-08 12:27 PM (#111724 - in reply to #111685)
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cliff
Posted 2007-03-08 12:28 PM (#111725 - in reply to #111685)
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-03-08 12:32 PM (#111726 - in reply to #111685)
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....and why isn't that "The Wait?"


I know what a 'load' is, and it just doesn't weigh that much.
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lanaki
Posted 2007-03-08 12:34 PM (#111727 - in reply to #111685)
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Posted 2007-03-08 12:44 PM (#111728 - in reply to #111685)
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#9, #9, ad nauseum...
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lanaki
Posted 2007-03-08 12:48 PM (#111729 - in reply to #111685)
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Originally posted by fillhixx:

I know what a 'load' is, and it just doesn't weigh that much.
depends on what you had to eat.
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-03-08 1:57 PM (#111730 - in reply to #111685)
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Originally posted by Lanaki:
"all we are saying (1.3 million times), is give peace a chance"
All I'M saying is stuff a sock in that bitches mouth and shut her the hell up!

Dave
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Posted 2007-03-08 2:09 PM (#111731 - in reply to #111685)
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Any song by Van Morrison and the Doors.
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Posted 2007-03-08 2:12 PM (#111732 - in reply to #111685)
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Posted 2007-03-08 2:15 PM (#111733 - in reply to #111685)
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". . Do some songs go on just to long??? . ."

The entire GratefulDead catalog.
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Posted 2007-03-08 2:31 PM (#111734 - in reply to #111685)
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How about the outro to Zeppelin's "Thank You"?

Otherwise .... great song.
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lanaki
Posted 2007-03-08 2:32 PM (#111735 - in reply to #111685)
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i suppose classical music does not fit in with brad's idea for this thread. besides that, when i hear ravel's "bolero", i think of dudley moore. (yeah, right!)
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-03-08 3:30 PM (#111736 - in reply to #111685)
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One that really works for me @ 14minutes long is;

'TelegraphRoad'
by DireStraits from 'LoveOverGold'.

Masterful piece of both writing an playing.
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Posted 2007-03-08 3:33 PM (#111737 - in reply to #111685)
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..did someone mention "McArthur's Park"?..
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Posted 2007-03-08 4:11 PM (#111738 - in reply to #111685)
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Any rap "song" i've ever heard. Anything past a couple of seconds and i want to smash the radio/stereo/car with the widows rolled down and the driver slumped down in the seat.

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Posted 2007-03-08 4:13 PM (#111739 - in reply to #111685)
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freebird is a long one with many reaped verses too...but its one of may favorite songs....jason
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Capo Guy
Posted 2007-03-08 4:26 PM (#111740 - in reply to #111685)
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Originally posted by gh1:
Any rap "song" i've ever heard. Anything past a couple of seconds and i want to smash the radio/stereo/car with the widows rolled down and the driver slumped down in the seat.

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gh1
:D I agree. :D
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Slipkid
Posted 2007-03-08 4:29 PM (#111741 - in reply to #111685)
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Zep's "Thank You" is a good example.
It's not that repeated word thing but unless your mood is chemically altered, it lingers just a tad to long.

As far as "Bolero", ya gotta train youself to think "Bo"... not "Dudley".
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-03-08 4:34 PM (#111742 - in reply to #111685)
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There's the trick!

Just like Cheech & Chong movies, some songs are um, situational in as much as you can only appreciate them in certain situations.... and if those situations no longer occur in your life, the song (or Cheech & Chong movie) no longer works for you either.

I'm sure that if you wore your pants around your knees, shoes with loose laces, and a ball cap on backwards that rap songs would sound okay too. I don't feel like running the test 'cause I think I might look tooooo good, one of you try it.
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Posted 2007-03-08 4:35 PM (#111743 - in reply to #111685)
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"Any rap "song" i've ever heard."

Especially since you been getting the Bass prelude from four blocks away!
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Posted 2007-03-08 5:45 PM (#111744 - in reply to #111685)
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Don't know if this was mentioned yet ... I just had this one on in the car ... Layla - the piano part at the end.
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Posted 2007-03-08 6:16 PM (#111745 - in reply to #111685)
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My favorite part of the song.

Written by Dominos drummer, Jim Gordon (before he sadly went over the "deep end", killed his mom & got put away . . . ).
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Tommy M.
Posted 2007-03-08 6:53 PM (#111746 - in reply to #111685)
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Yea, sad about Jim Gordon. Carl Radle and Duane Allman also met tragic endings. Weird about that group. Great Album though.
Back to the Topic. Any drum solo recorded between 1965 and 1985. In my opinion, that's what ruined it all. When bar bands started that drum solo crap, thay lost the audience. Probably responsible for disco.
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Posted 2007-03-08 7:10 PM (#111747 - in reply to #111685)
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Best way I know to get a fresh round of drinks for the band mid-set. As a bonus, it tires the drummer out a bit so he speeds up during songs....less.
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Posted 2007-03-09 9:56 AM (#111748 - in reply to #111685)
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In the world of popular and rock music, unfortunately, lengthy music due to repetition of the same word or group of words (or its equivalent) over and over, can get annoying.

In the world of contemporary classical music, however, it is a good thing. I happen to love minimal music with the likes of composers: Steve Reich, Philip Glass, Terry Riley and to some degree, the music of John Adams. If you get into this genre, perhaps, you just might appreciate the same words chanted repetitiously; the same two, three, four notes replayed over and over for extended periods of time; layered on top of each other by the various instruments and voices.
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lanaki
Posted 2007-03-09 2:19 PM (#111749 - in reply to #111685)
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i enjoy richard burmer's contemporary classical music for the layering effect that you mention. john tesh does nice stuff too with contemporary worship music.
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Posted 2007-03-09 2:55 PM (#111750 - in reply to #111685)
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another long one from the past... rare earth... Get Ready...
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Posted 2007-03-09 2:57 PM (#111751 - in reply to #111685)
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Posted 2007-03-09 6:08 PM (#111752 - in reply to #111685)
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The entire works of Andrew Lloyd Webber.
The entire works of The Moody Blues.
The entire works of The Electric Light Orchestra.
Everything Paul McCartney wrote after Fool On The Hill.
Sugar Sugar by The Archies.
The Osmond Family.
Jimmy Swaggart.

(Anybody I haven't offended yet?)
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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2007-03-09 6:21 PM (#111753 - in reply to #111685)
Subject: Re: Do some songs go on just to long???


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Der Ring des Nibelungen
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MWoody
Posted 2007-03-09 6:50 PM (#111754 - in reply to #111685)
Subject: Re: Do some songs go on just to long???



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"Der Ring des Nibelungen"

Or to my generation; "Kill da wabbitt"!
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Capo Guy
Posted 2007-03-09 7:03 PM (#111755 - in reply to #111685)
Subject: Re: Do some songs go on just to long???



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Originally posted by schroeder:
The entire works of Andrew Lloyd Webber.
The entire works of The Moody Blues.
The entire works of The Electric Light Orchestra.
Everything Paul McCartney wrote after Fool On The Hill.
Sugar Sugar by The Archies.
The Osmond Family.
Jimmy Swaggart.

(Anybody I haven't offended yet?)
You forgot John Tesh. :D
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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2007-03-09 7:03 PM (#111756 - in reply to #111685)
Subject: Re: Do some songs go on just to long???


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...nevermind...
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