Where to start with a slide?
HobbyPicker
Posted 2007-03-12 6:26 PM (#110889)
Subject: Where to start with a slide?


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Picked up a slide on the local music store today and tuned my 12-string to open D in an attempt to expand my musical palette. Need to work a bit on it to get used to the slide technique and making good sound. Wonder if anybody has some good advice on how to start to explore slide guitar playing?
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cliff
Posted 2007-03-12 6:42 PM (#110890 - in reply to #110889)
Subject: Re: Where to start with a slide?


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start with a six-string.
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72tour
Posted 2007-03-12 7:16 PM (#110891 - in reply to #110889)
Subject: Re: Where to start with a slide?


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Start with an easy 1-4-5 song, would be my advice. Pracitce muting unwanted string fuzz and wobbling it. This song is one of my favorites for slide. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0jRX69mxcE&mode=related&search=
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2007-03-12 7:20 PM (#110892 - in reply to #110889)
Subject: Re: Where to start with a slide?


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72tour, where you been? Last time I remember hearing from you, you were asking for advice on songs to snag women. I figured you tried our advice and didn't survive.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2007-03-12 8:23 PM (#110893 - in reply to #110889)
Subject: Re: Where to start with a slide?


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The main thin is to have a guitar set-up specifically for slide, you'll get nowhere fast with a standard action and light strings.
And Cliff's right, start with a 6 string.

A good place to start is to play a major scale up and down 1 string. Try to play each note as accurately and cleanly as possible. Aim the slide over the crown of the fret, not behind it or you'll be playing flat. And work on the vibrato.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2007-03-12 8:34 PM (#110894 - in reply to #110889)
Subject: Re: Where to start with a slide?


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A similar question was asked back on '04 and I posted this:

Lose the flatpick, really good slide guitar requires fingerstyle (Lowell George being the exception)

Make sure you damp behind the slide (rest your spare fingers lightly on the strings behind the slide to kill the resonance between the slide and the nut)

Use only as much slide as you need to cover the strings you're playing on

Aim for the centre of the fret with the slide, not behind like when you're fretting.

Work on your vibrato. Then work on your vibrato some more. Go on a Bhuddist Vibrato retreat for 10 years, then come home and continue to work on your vibrato.

Learn to play a major scale & a minor scale on one string. How many ways can you slide around those 8 notes? Try Ry Cooder for classic & peerless single-string slide. John Hiatt's "Lipstick Sunset" has one of Cooder's finest slide guitar solos ever, mostly played on one string at a time

Diads, (double stops or 2-notes at a time) can imply lots of harmonies, so it's worth investing some time on chord theory

The really subtle stuff is in the right hand. Right hand muting is the key to really good clean slide guitar.
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72tour
Posted 2007-03-13 12:56 AM (#110895 - in reply to #110889)
Subject: Re: Where to start with a slide?


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Hey Mark! Yeah, I had to recruit help to do battle with the women. I've basically been away while forming my band. We've been together for maybe a month and a half I think.

We got a really good take of a blues jam with some guys camera/video/audio recorder. Mind if I e-mail it to you?
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HobbyPicker
Posted 2007-03-13 10:18 AM (#110896 - in reply to #110889)
Subject: Re: Where to start with a slide?


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Thanks for advice. As for my choice of the 12-string, it's because it's set up with fairly high action after I replaced nut and saddle with bone. My Custom Legend's action is low, so it's no slide guitar. Besides i love the sound of the 12-string played with slide. I may get me another six-string for slide playing, maybe an old cheap beater with high action, haven't got budget for any big spending on guitars for the moment. ;)
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HobbyPicker
Posted 2007-03-13 10:21 AM (#110897 - in reply to #110889)
Subject: Re: Where to start with a slide?


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Do you think the Leadbelly tuning trick (unison third strings) sounds better for slide playing on a twelvestring?
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an4340
Posted 2007-03-13 12:08 PM (#110898 - in reply to #110889)
Subject: Re: Where to start with a slide?


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I'd start here:

http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?sectioncode=7&storycode=17077

Download the sheet music/tab and the mp3.
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2007-03-13 2:40 PM (#110899 - in reply to #110889)
Subject: Re: Where to start with a slide?



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I asked about such in this thread:
slide instruction

I went with the David Hamburger book and it helped.

Also, I searched Google, Youtube, alltheweb.com, bigroadblues.com,... for slide guitar instruction and found a ton.

Also search "open g tuning" and "open d tuning"

Search Youtube for videos of standards like Rollin' and Tumblin' and Walking Blues. Before long you'll be able to pick up licks by watching.

It appears that decent resonators can be had for not too much money. Rogue and Johnson get pretty good reviews. I put resophonic strings on my old Yamaha.

I have been using the 11/16 Craftsman deep socket. I like it better than the glass and brass ones that I have, and JASON STILL HASN'T SENT the one he was gonna send me. I bet I'd like it a lot.

I'm still a rank beginner, but it's so much fun I play some slide every day.
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muzza
Posted 2007-03-14 4:56 PM (#110900 - in reply to #110889)
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Originally posted by 72tour:
We got a really good take of a blues jam with some guys camera/video/audio recorder. Mind if I e-mail it to you?
Why don't you post it on YouTube so we can all see it?
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-03-14 5:21 PM (#110901 - in reply to #110889)
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Where to start with a slide...


....top of the bannister. Watch for the cap on the newel post.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-03-14 5:42 PM (#110902 - in reply to #110889)
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. . . . "the cap on the newel post" . . . .


but, if ya get it juuuust riiiiight....
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-03-14 6:36 PM (#110903 - in reply to #110889)
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You can sing the high harmonies to ALL the Beachboys tunes!
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Beal
Posted 2007-03-14 7:28 PM (#110904 - in reply to #110889)
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2007-03-14 7:45 PM (#110905 - in reply to #110889)
Subject: Re: Where to start with a slide?


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I'm surprised someone else hasn't brought this up...
but when I slide.. I get to the bottom then I go back to the top of the slide where I stop and I turn and I go for a ride till I get to the bottom and I see you again.
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Paulcc1
Posted 2007-03-14 8:05 PM (#110906 - in reply to #110889)
Subject: Re: Where to start with a slide?


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Are we talking about a playground slide or water slide?
Pauly
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72tour
Posted 2007-03-15 1:23 AM (#110907 - in reply to #110889)
Subject: Re: Where to start with a slide?


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Originally posted by muzza:
QUOTE]Why don't you post it on YouTube so we can all see it? [/QB]
Well, it's just audio (.wav form). I don't know how to convert to mp3 and post it on here like some other people have done. I'm not that techno-savvy.

I would like to share it though, so if anybody knows how to do all that, give me a messege.
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2007-03-15 7:51 AM (#110908 - in reply to #110889)
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Speaking of really good slide blues jams, check out Temp, Cliff, JW at OFC NE
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muzza
Posted 2007-03-15 8:39 AM (#110909 - in reply to #110889)
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Any more video clips of OFC jams anywhere? There must be a ton of footage somewhere - SW gathering, NE gathering, NW gathering, tour jams.

C'mon you yanks, share the good times with your foreign brethren.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-03-15 8:53 AM (#110910 - in reply to #110889)
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We have Obscenity laws here makes it difficult.
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-03-15 1:06 PM (#110911 - in reply to #110889)
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and there's the technical challenge....people like me break cameras....

...they always said I had a great face for radio!
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HobbyPicker
Posted 2007-03-16 11:38 AM (#110912 - in reply to #110889)
Subject: Re: Where to start with a slide?


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Originally posted by Captain_Lovehandles:
Speaking of really good slide blues jams, check out Temp, Cliff, JW at OFC NE
Is that slide guitarist playng an Ovation resonator?
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2007-03-16 11:52 AM (#110913 - in reply to #110889)
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That's me playing CWK2's custom built Ovation Reso. It has a National-type cone with a carbon fibre biscuit, Palm Tree soundholes and a HUGE neck. It sounds amazing. Bear in mind thay you're hearing the Reso and Cliff's Slot purely acoustic. The activity in the background was Kim and the guys setting up the PA. Like the Ovation Selmer-style Gypsy Jazz guitar this is yet another model that should be in regular production, or at least available as a special order.
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an4340
Posted 2007-03-16 12:13 PM (#110914 - in reply to #110889)
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I tried the resonator at the OFCNE gathering, and it was great.
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