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Location: Carle Place, NY | I came home yesterday to find that this happened to my 1537: :eek: :mad:
I think that the factory can fix this, but I'm unwilling to pay for it.
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Location: Up North | The factory can definitely fix it. the exact same thing happened to my 1868 Elite. Sent 'er back and got it done.
But mine was under warranty, so I don't know what it would cost. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Ow! Sorry, Mitch. I hope someone with some skills gets it. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | That blows...
Sorry to hear about it, Mitch |
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Location: big island | that's painful! and i logged on here this morning (Hawaii time) to feel good...
so sorry, mitch! |
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Location: Up North | Sorry Mitch, I didn't add my condolences, I remember how I felt, sick to my stomach.
That sucks, here's hoping it ends well. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Mitch,
I emailed my condolences and then with bottom feeder speed added my request for pictures and what you need to get out of this. My work server won't allow the pics.
W(mixed emotions)Woody |
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Location: Orange County, California | You are the original owner RIGHT?! :p :D :p :D |
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Location: Tychy, Poland | what strings did you use? i've seen something similar on yamaha agx7 when guy put 17-72 or sth like that strings, from resophonic guitar. |
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Location: Carle Place, NY | Originally posted by Little Boy Jefferson:
what strings did you use? i've seen something similar on yamaha agx7 when guy put 17-72 or sth like that strings, from resophonic guitar. I had Markley Alchemy Gold's .012-.054 and the guitar was tuned to E. |
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Location: big island | what's it tuned to now?
mitch, when was the last time you played it?
did you just replace the strings and de/re-tune it the night before? |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Don't let this cause widespread panic. It looks like a glue failure that showed up after 24 years. I doubt that one in a million guitars are detuned after they are played. Mine are always left at concert pitch and the Matrix has been that way for 30 years.
This is just a very unfortunate, rare occurrence. |
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Location: Tychy, Poland | i was just asking, i doubt that 12-54 strings could do this damage. |
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Location: closely held secret | Mitch, that is a sad thing. I think you should find out what it will take for repairs before you make any decisions. |
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Location: big island | mark,
i didn't mean to ask if mitch de-tuned it to relieve stress. when i read that he had it tuned to E, i was thinking open E and if he had just done that the night before. pardon me.
did the finish cracks occur at the same time, mitch, or were they already there? |
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Location: Carle Place, NY | The strings had been on the guitar for about 4 months. I played the guitar on Tuesday and found it like this Wednesday.
I don't think that it would be prohibitively expensive for a factory fix. $450 or so.
I just don't want to fix it. It was at the factory just last year for a neck re-set and re-painting of the bowl.
If nobody here makes me a decent offer, it will go to eBay with a starting bid of $100. |
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Location: closely held secret | Tell Keller the bowl paint obviously weakened the bridge glue. |
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Location: big island | that would make more sense than the neck reset causing too much tension on the bridge! |
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Location: Tychy, Poland | Originally posted by Mitchrx:
I don't think that it would be prohibitively expensive for a factory fix. $450 or so.
$450?
send it to Poland, my luthier would repair it for at most $100. |
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Location: NJ | There's a joke in there, but it's just TOO easy . . .
. . . I gotta let that one "go by" . . . |
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Location: SoCal | I'm with Waskel, the bowl paint obviously weakened the bridge glue. |
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Location: NJ | Damn fumes . . . |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Vapors... |
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Location: closely held secret | Maybe if we get John & Kim to sniff some they'll buy the story... |
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Location: Tychy, Poland | Originally posted by cliff:
There's a joke in there, but it's just TOO easy . . .
. . . I gotta let that one "go by" . . . if it's about price...
i don't know your market. |
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Location: Warren,Pa. | I'll bet it's more like $250 at the factory. Why not email John or Kim the pics and ask for their thoughts?
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Location: Central Massachusetts | ouch, my condolences!
hard to tell from the pics, looks more like the glue held and took a layer of spruce with it, especially the way the top is pulled apart under the strings. That's what happened to the first incarnation of my Redwood... had to replace the entire top. LOL hey, there you go, think they'd do a new 1537 top with inlaid eppies? :) |
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Location: Upper Left USA | The ONLY way to know is to get it there.
or to a Luthier in Poland... |
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Location: Houston, Texas | OUCH! That's painful to look at. Check with the factory before you decide to sell. |
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Location: Tychy, Poland | i've already forwarded pictures to a luthier, i think he'll respond tommorow. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | I do n`t get it,my 1537 (year 1983)has the Bridge BOLTED with 2 machinescrews,judging by the photo`s,I can see 3 holes,the two ones flanking the Bridge are (probably) from the BridgePins,but that Third One in the middle surely must be from a machine bolt,when your guitar was "overhauled" perhaps that machinescrew was forgotten ? or was it pulled through the Top,and U just forgot to mention it ?
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Location: Up North | This is bizarre!
My Elite 1868 bridge failure was exactly two years ago today. (March 22, 2005)
Mitch's estimate of $400 is dead-on, that was the price that John B. from Ovation said they would have charged for the repair if I wasn't the original owner. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | My cheapie O's all have dots on the bridge, covering bolts/screws, I assume.
I suppose that is a Good Thing. |
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Location: big island | vic,
the under-saddle pickup wire takes up one of the holes. i don't think it is visible in these pics. can't imagine what the larger center hole is for?
edit: just took a peek inside my 1537. there are definitely 3 pegs and two bridge pin holes, one of which the pickup wire also runs thru. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | OMA,
It's good to have back up. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Lanaki- On the two O's that I have taken the saddle outta, that hole would be on the side. (The bass-side on 4861 and 1621. I'm guessing it's the same on all of 'em) That doesn't explain that big hole in the middle...
I'm just kibitzing... |
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Location: big island | the big hole in the middle is a larger diameter peg. |
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Location: Tychy, Poland | if bracing is undamaged, repair in poland will cost about 60-80$ |
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Location: ranson,wva | its gonna need a total top refinish i do belive. the finish cracks wouldnt bother me tho. i dont think ive got a woodtop ovation with out finish cracks......my folklore dont have bridge bolts,neither does my 70's 1624 either....jason |
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Location: Connecticut | I believe that the larger hole is a locating hole for a holding fixture that was used to locate braces during bonding. There is probably a matching hole under the fingerboard. |
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Location: Rego Park, NY, | Mitch,
Sorry to see that this happened. Are you sure you really want to part with this? |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | From the looks of the finish cracks in Mitch's pics in the gallery, I wonder if the finish has been holding that bridge on for years and finally let go. |
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Location: Tychy, Poland | my luthier said it could be because of long-time stress. He doesn't recommend keeping strings over .010 on any guitar older than 10 years for more that it is neccessary. He doesn't rule out using .012 or 0.13 strings for concerts, but not for daily use. |
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Location: Carle Place, NY | Many thanks to all here for your concerns, advice and thoughts on how/why this happened.
I've calmed down now that I've had another day to ponder all of this. :)
What really set me off was that just a few days before, the bridge on Andrew's 6778LX started to lift at the bottom, about 1/16". I got a return authorization to send it to the factory. Then THIS happened. I't hard to think rationally when two of the three six string acoustics in the house simultaneously need unexpected factory fixes for sort of the same problem.
I'm going to sent the 1537 to the factory and get a real estimate. I think that the top can be saved. I sure hope so because the wood is irreplaceable.
Maybe this will all turn out well in the end. |
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Location: Rego Park, NY, | You can probably pick up the guitars at the tour like the last time. |
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Location: ranson,wva | Originally posted by Little Boy Jefferson:
my luthier said it could be because of long-time stress. He doesn't recommend keeping strings over .010 on any guitar older than 10 years for more that it is neccessary. He doesn't rule out using .012 or 0.13 strings for concerts, but not for daily use. my folklore is a 1974,its had 13's on it for going on a year now tuned to concert pitch,i repaired a 1971 1111 balladeer that had the top split in 3,head was compleatly severed and it was strung with 13's, hell i sent a 1983 1567 legend to canada left tuned to concert pitch and arived in perfect tune with no ill effects....maybe im just lucky....jason |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by Mitchrx:
...just a few days before, the bridge on Andrew's 6778LX started to lift at the bottom, about 1/16"... Then THIS happened... when two of the three six string acoustics in the house simultaneously need unexpected factory fixes for sort of the same problem... low humidity? |
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Location: SoCal | My guess is that it has something to do with humidity. Living in California, humidity is not even something that I have to consider. All my guitars are out on the walls or on stands, all have .12's or .13's on them and all are just fine, from my 1968/69 Glen Campbell Deluxe Balladeer (.12's) to my 2006 GC 1627 reissue (.12's also).
Mitch, I'm glad you've taken a deep breath. I would have been at least as irritated as you were if not more so. But you know as well as I that the factory can work wonders. |
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Location: Tychy, Poland | i've just repeated what luthier said.
i don't play guitars long enough to have any experience. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Yup,sending it in is Sound Advice,But I just do n`t get it,I mean,my 1537 (1983) my 1617 (1972)and my 1618 (1983)all are equipped with machinescrews through the Bridge,1537 and 1617 have 2 ,and the 1618 has three !!They are Originally installed by Ovation,so the Dealer Assured me,for I remember asking about it,since I was suspicious of it to be a faulty/mediocre construction,and I had not seen that before on a guitar ( later I discovered that EKO,an Italian brand had done it too)It made sense to me though,the PULL of say 12-53`s are a Hefty 73 Kg.( about 150 Lbs.)So, When and WHY, did Ovation stop using an obviously Sound Idea, maybe SomeOne can Shed some Light on this,...AnyOne.. :confused:
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1537 Project anyone?