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Location: Phoenix AZ | I seem to have fallen in love with something while on vacation at amilia island that could risk my well being. I need your advice how to proceed on something that I do not need and can not afford... but want very much. Telling you what it is would bias your advice. Just assume it's really nice, sort of rare, and sound like a dream. |
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Location: Athens, GA & Gnashville | It must be a really, really, really, really, really nice Collings!!! :D |
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Location: Athens, GA & Gnashville | Or, did Bill just lock you in his basement for a day and you found a prototype? |
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Location: PDX | Sell off some of the collection to fund it.
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Dave, with the number of guitars that you own or have owned, I was convinced you were single. :eek:
....cat licking your face again Dave???
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Location: Upper Left USA | May I offer some options?
C) Bring your Wife with you and visit FL more often. Almost like visitation.
D) Figure out what makes this thing tick and sink a whole bunch of OPM into a company that makes them. Don't build them overseas cause then you'd have to call them Foriegn Nationals or Innerd Nationals.
E) Sell everything you have and have just this one guitar. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Hey Dave...
I went with the "Don't buy it" button. But it was close, buddy.
It would be easy to go with the "Life's to short" defense but what swung me was the "really can't afford it" statement.
And although I only know you as well as this board and a couple wild weekends allow, my guess is that your marriage is stronger than any one guitar.
And besides....It's not healthy if you can't learn to say "no" to yourself once in a while.
But please... when this poll has done it's job, let us know what tempted you. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Find a photo... I'd like to see what I just recommended you buy. |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | It's a dead heat... go for it - I'm with gh1. If you really want it to happen, you'll find a way to make it happen that satisfies all parties. |
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Location: NJ | If it's the Collings that I THINK it is . . .
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Location: Rego Park, NY, | Dave talking about yourself is not healthy. Just a reminder,I work at a psychiatric facility and IT also never closes .. So if you buy the item you desire, you cannot be blamed for doing it. You can claim some state of temporary mental defect and everything will be fine. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | I also went with the "Don't buy it" button. I'm one of those "Do as I say" rather than "Do as I do" guys. I'm a real lousy behavior modeler. |
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Location: NJ | This it (theSunburst)?? :
It's "calling" for you . . .
". . . Daaaaaa-vid . . . . . Daaaaaaa-vid . . . . ." |
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Location: SoCal | I agree with Clifford. Sell one or two of the Martins..... |
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Location: Isle of Man, UK | Originally posted by Weaser P:
And you can rent a new one almost anywhere these days... ...guitar, I'm sure you were talking about a guitar...
I went with No, I'm afraid Dave. Purely because, if you have to ask then you're looking to be persuaded. Rather than simply "I'm SO buying that guitar".
Hope all you cats are kittens are having a great weekend.
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Location: Texas | get it! |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Dave,
I'm in the buy it camp. I believe it's an opportunity for you.
You'll get a guitar that you will cherish, and you can pass along some guitars which you don't play that much to people who, for them, will enjoy and cherish. In some sense we are just custodians of the guitars we own.
Guitars were meant to played after all. Thin your collection.
Do it and dont' look back! |
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Location: SoCal | "... pass along guitars you don't play that much..."
Could you just "pass along" your 47 of 47 to me? |
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Location: closely held secret | Dave, it's your money and your marriage.
That being said, I seem to remember at least 2 or 3 "I've just gotta have it" guitars that you bought, only to turn around and sell at a later date.
Spontaneous impulses are great (I know I've paid for my share) but if you need this kind of persuasion, perhaps you ought to think rationally about it for a while, and you'll see you really don't need it and really can't afford it.
After which (of course) you'll buy it anyway. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Well, by "pass" along, I meant sell on ebay. I'd put on a low reserve, and just let 'em go. But that's me. |
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Location: Tampa, FL | I went with the "Don't be stupid" option.
Tough choice though. |
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Location: Tychy, Poland | If it's Ryan Cathedral or Nightingale... Buy it. If not... then don't do it. |
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Location: Simpsonville, SC | One for the BUY IT DAVE Camp. Keep the collection rotating (sell a few to pay for the new one) and keep the wife happy at the same time.
Just Do it! |
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Location: Athens, GA & Gnashville | Come to daddy!! |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Here's one way to gain some perspective on this situation...
What would you do if your wife came home with A Ferragamo bag and a pair of Pumps |
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Location: NJ | Well, . . . if she came home wearing JUST the pumps and the bag, it'd be a curveball . . . |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | For a real balanced judgement I'd have to see pics of both the guitar and the wife.
I went with no but you may make your own choice. (duh!)
But consider....
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Location: big island | dave,
i think you should post this poll over on the "happy marriage" forum too and then compare the final results.
how many guitars can you fit in your station wagon and still have room for you to sleep?
with that said: get it!! |
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Location: Athens, GA & Gnashville | Buy it and give it to your wifey. I did that once.
She is now the FORMER wife. |
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Location: Indiana | I have passed up many guitars/basses that I really would have liked to have had just because I could not afford them. I got over it. I have also sold some that I wish I hadn't. I find that harder to deal with. For the record, I am single. If it were me I would not buy it until I could afford it. That's just me.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | He's doing pretty well with 12 Ovations, especially for a frugal guy. A wife would probably make him sell some. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I believe that Dave has not only made his decision and is acting on the movement of assets but he is also in close communication with his Bride.
Keep your eyes on Ebay and and the Police scanner in Pheonix. |
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Location: SoCal | Dave's wife is with him on this trip. My guess is that he's already commited to buying the guitar.... |
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Location: Upper Left USA | So our mission...
...is to take the bait and figure out just what the instrument is. W2 was talking Nationals and I'm sure he hangs around a lot of premier instrument holders.
Then there is the "Q" factor? |
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Location: big island | tupperware: man of intrigue, mystique, romance and dried grass skirts. |
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Location: Orange County, California | Dave,
Ask Cliff if he remembers what happened to his favorite guitar when his wife thought (knew) he loved it more than her..... :p :D :p :D
Also, I wouldn't necessarily take advice from a bunch of middle-aged men you met on the internet. We are often delusional about the state of our own relationships and grossly un-qualified to give advice about anyone else's. |
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Location: big island | right said fred. this IS a guitar forum anyway. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | My wife says I'm quite qualified to give free advice.
I've got tons of it I've never even touched! |
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Location: East Tennessee | Dave,
Buy it. Sell a Martin. |
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Location: Up North | Seeing Dave's website of his collection, I would have to guess this guitar's price is in the 5 figures, or he wouldn't hesitate to buy it.
It must be a beauty, buy it and sell off some of your Martins. |
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| If he buys it and SWMBO dumps him he's going to lose half of his collection anyway......
What kind of idiot asks the kind of idiots who hang around here for advice?
I didn't vote - one way or the other I'd be voting to make someone unhappy. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by cliff:
This it (theSunburst)?? :
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PS - YSBH !!! |
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Location: East Tennessee | So far it's a tie.
Dave demand a recount. :D |
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| Forgive me - I was thinking maybe his wife would be unhappy if he bought the guitar (which was the point of his question). It didn't occur to me that she might be happy to have an excuse to dump him. I bow to your greater professional knowledge of this stuff. I have enough trouble understanding the woman I've been with for almost 31 years (26 married) - I really shouldn't try and second guess Mrs Tuppy. I'm glad I didn't vote. |
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Location: Vermont USA | Ok look at it this way.
A. sell a Martin :)
B. sell your wife :(
C. go to the Godfather he will make an offer :cool:
So I hope this will help
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Nice picture Cliff!
Yes that's the one. Any other takers if he says no? If not it's going off to Cotten Music in Nashville, they have a Natural one there now. About the same price for this one, the s/b is much rarer.
It's a tie race when I looked, of course he did play it all afternoon......
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | " So far it's a tie "
A TennisRacket :confused:
Vic :cool: . |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Schroeder, I don't know any more than you do. I never met Dave's wife. He said he made sure she wasn't around after Moody implied she must be a saint to put up with Dave's guitar obsession. I tend to agree with Moody. Maybe Dave has some other well disguised virtues. I suspect his wife has gotten used to his guitar buying by now.
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Location: Australia | ....running 52% to 48% in favour
....just tell the little woman your offloading that Glen Campbell thing you got and buy the Collings ;) |
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Location: Orlando, FL | As someone with no self control when it comes to guitars, I say go for it! Hell you can always offer to sell a guitar or two if it becomes a really big deal. |
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Location: NJ | Dave;
Whattsa matter?
Does seeing a picture of it on the Internet only make you want it more??
(That was my intention ;-)
YSBT.
(YouShouldBuyThat).
btw:
I really wish I WAS There. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Cliff, your seat was empty again today.
Man! my fingers are sore. |
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Location: North Cal. mountains | I can't vote because I just got here, but here goes anyway. A woman's perspective:
If she knew what you were when she married you, she can be helped to understand.
Also, if it's something that will only increase in value, then you are planning for retirement. If you get old and can't afford to eat, the choice to sell will become easy and you can decide which you love the least. Approach from an investment standpoint and maybe she'll be alright with it.
I would buy it, but I'm not married, so as I said, I can't vote. |
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Location: Up North | juju, you're a registered member, all you need to vote is to have an opinion, not being married is no reason not to throw your two cents in.
Welcome to the club.
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Location: Bluffton, SC | Originally posted by Grif:
...all you need to vote is to have an opinion, not being married is no reason not to throw your two cents in. Not being married is why you have an opinion. Use it or lose it. |
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Location: NJ | Bill, I DO hope you boyz're all havin' fun . . . .
Goober ever make it?? |
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Location: North Cal. mountains | It's easy to back-up a chick who can justify the purchase of any music gear anyone ever wants to buy! Buy!! Buy!!! Too much is never enough. There is always something else we see and want.
Okay, then as long as you can eat and live indoors in a place where you can play out loud and get away with it, and your wife has all the clothes and cosmetic surgery she needs to be happy, then go for it. But if mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. If your guitars are prettier than a wife who wants to be more than she is getting to be, then you owe it to yourself to make mama happy, so you can be happy. If you only sold one to do something for her, she would probably make you a happier man. My first instinct is BUY IT. The truth is: If you prioritize anything over your woman, your life is gonna suck way more than if you had way less gear. You have to decide what is more important, the guitars or your wife. That is exactly the way she is going to see it unless you convince her of the investment and retirement thing. One guy was right, if you buy it and you get a divorce, you lose half your collection anyway. Many women would take them from you and send you a video of them all getting run over by a train. Buy her a big, fat diamond instead and you will have a happy life. Your choice. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Dave, want me to ship it to you? That way you can use it as comparison to figure out which Martin to get rid of. It's a great guitar, you played it all weekend. Of course if Cliff was here he would have wanted it but you lucked out and didn't have to share.
BTW, there was a Willie sighting at O'Kanes late last night, he's surviving just fine. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by cwk2:
BTW, there was a Willie sighting at O'Kanes late last night... I wasn't Dave's again, I hope. He hasn't completed his community service from the last time.... |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by cwk2:
BTW, there was a Willie sighting at O'Kanes late last night... It wasn't Dave's again, I hope. He hasn't completed his community service from the last time.... |
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Location: East Tennessee | The internet server has been slow today. Maybe Jeff hit the reply twice? :confused:
Naaaa. Post count. :D |
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Location: Amelia Island, FL. | Hey, Dave good to meet you at the Mike Dowling Clinic. Hope you and the guys enjoyed your stay on Amelia Is. My vote is go for it. You play it well, it sounds great and, it looks good with the island shirts. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Five pages of replies and lots of folks saying "sell a few martins and buy it". NOBODY has recommend selling a few ovations to buy it! When it comes to brand loyality, you guys are pretty tight. Dave |
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Location: NJ | WHY lose a couple of bowl-backed guitars to buy yet ANOTHER box???
You got PLENTY of Martins, and that Collings (and I've played it numerous times) "out-Martin's" the best of 'em . . .
Bill;
You should've slapped a GlayneCampbell truss rod cover on it, and he'd have been all OVER it!!! |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Make more money selling Martin's, due to market preconceptions.
And this IS the Ovation Fan Club.
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
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Location: Phoenix AZ | OK. No more voting necessary. Thanks for the inputs. You might want to keep your eye on the Sell/Trade section of this board for some nice stuff at reasonable prices.
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Location: NJ | ". . OK. No more voting necessary . ."
. . . but we CAN keep up with the berating and the insults, right?? |
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Location: NJ | ". . OK. No more voting necessary . ."
. . . but we CAN keep up with the berating and the insults, right?? |
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Location: Vermont USA | So just out of curiosity are you selling a Martin or your wife? I wonder what a good wife goes for these days?
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Location: Tennessee | Jeez ... this always happens to us Californians. We go to the polls to vote, and find out the election has already been decided. FWIW Dave, I voted for you to get it. It's very easy to spend OPM. Outside of the Merrill (notwithstanding the worm guts), definitely the best sounding guitar there. |
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Location: Paris/France | Originally posted by stephent28:
A good wife is priceless! That's why I'm collecting guitars... :D
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Originally posted by stephent28:
A good wife is priceless! If this means that no amount is too much, then I am putting this theory to the test.
Hey Tupp, just exactly what is that new model you're getting yourself into? I can't tell from the pic. |
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There's a guy named David Dugan who has a whole web site devoted to this model. I'll post it if I can find it. It's a beautiful guitar, it's just that I'll play the Merrill instead and Dave needs another guitar anyway. |
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Location: Indiana | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
He's doing pretty well with 12 Ovations, especially for a frugal guy. A wife would probably make him sell some. |
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Location: Indiana | For the record there are 47 others that could go before any O's |
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Location: North Cal. mountains | The best of all worlds:
She doesn't ask the price of what's in YOUR closet.
You don't ask the price of what's in HER closet.
Clothing does not appreciate in value so anyone with half a brain would rather play a great guitar naked than spend a mint on a dress to wear nearly never. Still, you need to make a good show to keep the peace. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | After reading the story about the guitar on the web site again I can see that the the jist of what I said earlier is correct, just not the facts. Maybe I could be a politician?
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