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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Did you guys see this Adamas on ebay? It is ebay # 130095005647. What do you think of it? :) |
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Location: big island | it was discussed and dissected a few weeks ago when the seller posted it the first time.
the consensus was a resounding "uh-uh". |
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Location: ranson,wva | http://cgi.ebay.com/Ovation-USA-ADAMAS-Custom-Shop-Collector-One-Of...
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Once again... For 25 grand, you'd think that you'd get Free Shipping!! |
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Location: Australia | Melissea E would be over the moon with her portrait, she looks 20 years younger
....quite a contrast to the "mentally challenged" Glen Campbell |
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Location: ranson,wva | the portait of glenn does look a bit "strange" jason |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | This guitar was on display at NAMM. If I recall (will have to check photos), I think it had a list price on it of $10k. If that's the case than good 'ol Brother Robert is really trying to stick it to the congregation. Shame on him. Btw, the guitar looks better in the photos than it did in person. For $2k I might be tempted to hang it on a wall as a decoration. Or not.
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Location: NJ | tuppy
looks like you owe me 21K !!!!!!!
guess I have to make it up on the other namm show guitar |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by alpep:
tuppy
looks like you owe me 21K Well, if you add it all up that might not be too far from the truth!
Sorry to pat myself on the back, but I think the Darth Vader 2080 looks WAY better than this $25k poster job. I actually thought ME looked like Anne Murrey.
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Location: SoCal | If I remember right, at NAMM we were all thinking that $10k was way too much for that guitar.... |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | A more interesting question might be this . . . if you did have $10,000 (and only $10,000) to spend on guitars, and you were starting from scratch, what would you buy, including second-hand purchases? |
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Location: NJ | AdamasDoubleNeck. |
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Location: Omaha, NE | I hope no one here was involved in the production of that guitar, because I'm about to say something that's not nice. It looks like crap. The paint job looks like what I would expect from a high school art student's second attempt: The faces are mis-proportioned and the perspective on AD's guitar is pathetic.
Frankly, if this came from the factory (meaning the paint job is a factory commissioned thing, and not something that was added later by someone else) they should be ashamed. This thing is tacky in concept and amateurish in execution. |
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Location: NJ | but what do you really think? |
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Location: NJ | Don't SugarCoat it.
Tell us how you REALLY feel.
(I heartily agree,btw. . .) |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I don't think the point of the sale (and price) is to actually sell the instrument as much as it is to sell the Seller. |
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Location: south east Michigan | It's like one step up from one of those Elvis on black velvet paintings. |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | Well, I think we all now know what "not nice" means. :D
(BTW, no disagreement here either) |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Well, were I really to have shared my honest opinion, it would have involved references to a "bullfighter emblazoned on black velvet", a "mural painted on the side of an illegal alien's van", and perhaps " Angelina Jollie as the Wal-Mart Madonna "
But I don't want to be unkind. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | If the portraits had been:
Glenn C's deranged DWI photo
Melissa E's bald chemo photo
Al Di's stoned wild eyed late 70's photo
Then you'd have a keeper! |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | Originally posted by MWoody:
I don't think the point of the sale (and price) is to actually sell the instrument as much as it is to sell the Seller. And I would maintain it's still way too expensive for what you're getting. |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | Originally posted by Omaha:
Well, were I really to have shared my honest opinion, it would have involved references to a "bullfighter emblazoned on black velvet", a "mural painted on the side of an illegal alien's van", and perhaps " Angelina Jollie as the Wal-Mart Madonna "
But I don't want to be unkind. |
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Location: NJ | I have to say that the one thing I DO like is the paint-job on the back of the neck . . .
(On the guitar, not Angelina"Collect 'em All"Jolie) |
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Location: NJ | I still say andy was the best portrait on the guitar |
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Location: NJ | I agree. |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | Ironic that the place that did it doesn't show it on their site , although they do have the dogs ! |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
A more interesting question might be this . . . if you did have $10,000 (and only $10,000) to spend on guitars, and you were starting from scratch, what would you buy, including second-hand purchases? Collings CW-28
Adamas U681-12 string
I could be REALLY happy with those two (and it would totally blow the full $10k).
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Here's my list, available on the used market for about $10 grand total (although patience and persistence may be required) . . .
Deep bowl Adamas, cutaway, 6-string (1581)
Deep bowl Adamas, cutaway, 12-string
EA68 Viper 6
EA68 Viper 12
USA Fender Strat
Hollow-bodied jazz guitar with coil tap (ES-335)
Wood flat top (Tak EF75J comes to mind) |
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Location: NJ | No nylon, Professor?? |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Originally posted by cliff:
No nylon, Professor?? Doesn't make this list, nor pretty much any list of mine. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Well, I know this is going to open a can of worms, and I probably shouldn't say it, but anyone that insults someone elses art in any form is a disrespectful moron. PERIOD. YOU may not like or appreciate what you are hearing and YOU may not like or appreciate what you are seeing, but that ONLY means YOU are not supposed to, and it has NO bearing on YOUR perceived and limited appreciation of the art. People say RAP sucks... to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars each year. People say Country sucks, yet it's the NUMBER ONE selling style IN THE WORLD at last check. I don't like either, and also have little to no appreciation of the blues, but that does mean it sucks, it means MY tastes are limited.
On topic, as a guitar player and collector I think $8K to $10K is more appropriate, but as artwork, I'm guessing that style might ramp it up more for someone. I'm guessing, this seller will get his price, or at least having it available will get other sales that make it worth it. I have often thought of listing a couple of guitars I have at really untouchable prices, just to get the exposure.
Again, the reason I don't like chatter about eBay here. |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Originally posted by Weaser P:
Ironic that the place that did it doesn't show it on their site , although they do have the dogs ! |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Well, I'm disinclined to respond, but I kinda think I need to.
From my way of looking at things, there is a big difference between expressing an opinion on something and expressing an opinion of someone.
I criticized a paintjob. You called me a moron. In my economy, the line is crossed when things get personal.
Anyway, its no skin off my nose either way. And no hard feelings either. And I'll leave it at that. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | You are correct and that was a little hypocritical of me. I let a feeling on a topic (criticizing art) get pent up (for a few years now) and dumped it all on you. Not fair and I apologize.
I still have little respect for those who criticize that which they do not understand. This goes for both positive and negative criticism. And before anyone throws in the "I'm an artist" blah blah blah, to me art includes many things including music, and if one can negate an entire piece of art, that in itself means they don't understand it. I know of no artists that would call their painstaking work, no matter what anyone thinks of it, as a "paint job" except maybe a custom bike shop, and I wouldn't risk it there either. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | OK, let's take this in a more serious direction.
Who cares about the new guitar.
When do ya'll think an original Slothead will hit $25,000? 3 years? 5 Years? more? It will get there some day. |
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by cwk2:
OK, let's take this in a more serious direction.
Who cares about the new guitar.
When do ya'll think an original Slothead will hit $25,000? 3 years? 5 Years? more? It will get there some day. well we have seen $15 so 25 can't be that far away.
IMHO the best BARGAINS out there are the reissues. prices UNDER the market of the used originals.
usually there is such a disparity in the gap of prices that there is no difference between buying a new or used. now you can almost choose. when I was asking 2500 for an original 2 knob adamas I many customers thought I was crazy I have seen some that bought them from me sell them in the 3 to 3.5K range guess I was not that crazy.
the reissues at 2300 are a STEAL the 47 reissue again is a steal for IMHO it is BETTER than the original 47 in sound fit and finish and construction.
so how long will it take? maybe not as long as we think |
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Location: SoCal | Al, when did a slothead go for $15k? I thought $12k was the high water mark..... |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I think somewhere along the timeline, the "not online" market and the "online" market will converge. Most of us use eBay and other online markets as a resource as well as "most" buyers and sellers. But, there are still MANY that are NOT online. Breadwinners where buying and selling for $2500 a several years ago in the offline market along with Magnums in the 900 range and UKII's in the 800 range.
I think the markets are getting closer together as time moves forward. A slothead owner, who is not online, is probably sure to want $15K or more for a guitar that was a piece of history that in their world, they will NEVER see another one.
To answer the question... I think the 25K mark for an original slothead is not far off. It's just going to take one, well known pop artist to use even a re-issue #47 and the floodgates will open.
Lets face it, very few guitars on their own merits of construction, sound, materials etc, are worth much than 3K to 5K. What drives price is popularity, familiarity, and marketing. Yes, I said the "M" word. |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Apology accepted.
As to the general topic of criticizing art, my view is that that is what art is for. If people don't talk about it, good and bad, what is it for?
$25k for a slothead? That's an amazing thought. I wonder if in the process the Ovation/Adamas end up receiving some respect from the wood box guitar world. |
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Location: NJ | I think the recent re-issues (the #47 and the upcoming OFC guitar) will only inhibit the chances of the Originals appreciating markedly . . . |
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Location: NJ | cliff
no way. look at relic fenders. the originals are still way up there.
same with reissue 59 lp's there prices still go out to the ozone. |
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Location: SoCal | I disagree Cliff. Reissues of Strats, Les Pauls, Martins, etc haven't hurt the value of the originals as far as I can tell.... |
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Location: NJ | The number of collectors seeking out vintage Fenders, Gibsons & Martin is WAAAAAAAAAY disproportionate to those seeking vintage Ovations . . .
EVERYBODY knows/wants that vintage LesPaul or Strat. (Unfortunately, the same can't be said for an Adamas).
I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so. |
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Location: big island | before making the decision to be a stay-at-home dad three years ago, i was the director of several art galleries here in hawaii. our galleries were owned by a very well-known art publishing company in california. this company not only marketed the original art of the artists they contracted, but also produced the reproduction serigraphs, giclees, etc. generally, the "perceived" market value of the original art would increase dramatically if it also was available in limited edition reprints. the buyer pays extra dollars to claim, "well, i have the original, so there!"
i don't know how or if this translates over to a tangible, playable musical instrument, but re-issues may certainly influence the "perceived" value of an original, if it is one-of-a-kind.
there may be a different dynamic if there are several "originals" out there, for example, the GC 1627.
on the subjective subject of art, if i had focused on trying to sell only the art that appealed to me, i would have not only starved, but also did a dis-service to the visitors in our gallery, not to mention our artists. hey, if a work of art or a guitar "speaks to you", moves you deeply inside somehow, you cannot put a price on that. every cup has its saucer. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | "OK, let's take this in a more serious direction.
Who cares about the new guitar.
When do ya'll think an original Slothead will hit $25,000? 3 years? 5 Years? more? It will get there some day."
In that case I better hang on to my 1618 ( I would anyway ) ;)
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I do think "EVERYBODY knows/wants that vintage LesPaul or Strat. (Unfortunately, the same can't be said for an Adamas)" is valid to a point and factors in, but at some point, probably by accident an Adamas will end up on an album cover of an album by Fergie, Mims, Akron, Gym Class Heroes, Gwen Stefani, Daughtry, Rich Boy, Avril Lavigne, Justin Timberlake or Fall Out Boy and an Adamas will be the "it" guitar to own much like what happened to the UltraGP. Unfortunately, it will most likely happen by accident not by design.
Lets face it. A vintage Strat or Les Paul isn't getting the prices they are getting because they are such great guitars, as there are better ones out there for much cheaper. They are in demand because they are popular. They are what all the greats played and all the greats played them because the companies wanted them (the guitars) to be popular. It was a joint effort.
I can only imagine how many people Ovation would have to hire to keep up with demand if Aaron Lewis was doing his "acoustic" appearances performing "It's Been a While" with an Adamas. |
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Location: NJ | btw:
Aaron Lewis was from "Staind"
(that was SIXteen minutes ago . . .)
. . . and 87.9% of the people would be more interested in what brand SNEAKER that load Daughtry was wearing than what guitar he played(IF he played guitar). |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I wasn't sure about some of them. If you hadn't figured it out yet, my point was all mentioned were currently in the Billboard Top 10.
I thought Aaron Lewis was on his 16th minute, but apparently his new "acoustic" tour is on fire. go figure.. |
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Location: North Cal. mountains | That guitar will sell to some 23 yr. old union tradesman for half that. |
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Location: big island | it is now "half-price" at $12,500.00 |
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25,000 dollar Adamas?