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| Saw a recent show where some guy brought in a '54 Strat. The appraised it at 50 grand...incredible. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Yesterday, there was a '63 Strat, $30K Starting bid. And it is gone today! And it was chewed-up looking. And it didn't even useta belong to "somebody"?
Now there is one for $24K. It's alot prettier, but it's just a strat... |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | I saved an eBay auction listing where a '51 Telecaster sold for almost $51,000. A real bargain considering a 1942 one-owner Martin D-45 sold on the Bay two months later for $255,100. Even a vintage Fender silk banner fetched nearly $1,500. The affluent boomers who grew up with this stuff can't get enough of it. |
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Location: NJ | roadshow prices are often very inflated. that makes good tv. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Yeah, yeah, Jimi played a Strat.
I was actually surprised in 1973 when I saw Jimi playing a red Flying V.
Marketing, man... |
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| Like those high-dollar adds in that Vintage Guitar newspaper... It's ok for collectibles if you have a comprehensive knowledge of the industry. An original 1950 Fender Esquire would be rare. Kind of like a Honus Wagner baseball card... |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | It seems that generally the following is a guideline
D-45 $250ish
D-28 70-80
D-18 30-40
50's tele 40-80
50's strat 40-80
P90 LP 25-50
57,8,9,60 pauls 250+ |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Me thinks Bill is trying to rationalize a recent purchase ??? |
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Location: SoCal | The trick is to pick them up before they become collectable. Tony Rice, in 1975 bought Clarance White's old 1935 D-28 for $550. At the time, is was just an old guitar in horrible condition. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
The trick is to pick them up before they become collectable. Which is why people should be buying Tak75's NOW!
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
The trick is to pick them up before they become collectable. Which is why people should be buying Tak75's NOW!
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | +1 Dave.
There can't be many of these guitars still available. |
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Location: SoCal | Probably true.... |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
The trick is to pick them up before they become collectable. Isn't that what we say to our wives?
IMHO, the market for 'collectible' guitars has absolutely nothing to do with the market for guitars. Its a singular thing on its own. $25k for an old Fender? $250k for an old Martin? Insanity.
Its all tulip bulbs and beanie babies.
The good news is that even as 'collectible' guitars are soaring to insane prices, this has got to be the best time ever to buy playable guitars. For acoustics, brand new $500 will get you a perfectly fantastic instrument. Step up to $2k or $2.5k and you can go to the moon.
For electrics, you can get absolutely adequate 'bar cover band' grade units for $300. Step into the $1.5k to $2k range, and you can get stuff that's a thousand times better than any Strat Leo ever made. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I just follow it. Not rationalizing, I already got the D-18. It was really expensive, but Dave, Bob and Al, you've seen it and it will only be more in the future. It also sounds realllly good. I am seriously thinking that with the Merrill I don't need a D-28 bone except for the investment side. The 53 tele and paul I bought for 1250 and my 57 strat was 2500, all about 30 years ago.
And yes, it's a good time to get a Tak EF75. |
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Location: Michigan | that program has absolutely ruined garage sales, flea markets, junk shops and pawn shops. between that and ebay, everyone thinks there grandpas plywood klunker is the lost holy grail. you used to be able to pick up a playable campfire guitar for $20 then when you were ready to go, send it up blazing the last night (joking). i dont mind the outragous values on TRUE vintage instruments, its just that they dont show the low value items much anymore. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | At Wm. Temple Thrift Store, they had an old Harmony (Beater). I asked about it. The dude warned me that they wanted $380 for it. It had a 1983 sticker on it, so it is a classic!
I informed him that in '83 the thing was worth about $83. And if he fixed the broken tuner, it might be worth that much again. I wanted the case!
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Location: North Carolina | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
I was actually surprised in 1973 when I saw Jimi playing a red Flying V.
Amazing he could do that, since he died in 1970. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Details! Just small details. |
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Location: Michigan | Hendrix also played a white 3 pickup SG, and i think i saw videos of him with a white flying V, as well as an acoustic 12 string. i know there is no way he could get that humbucker sound on some of his tracks with a strat. I love the vintage instruments , but really (esp in solid body electric) do you get your money's worth in SOUND and PLAYABILITY? It's the same as buying a lexus or cadillac to get you to work. a toyota would get you there fine and just as long, but the luxury car gets you there in style. |
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Location: Hicksville, NY | I watch the show every now and then. I've seen its share of Martins and Gibsons valued for big bucks at the show. The Fenders I saw was a 1957 Fender Strat with missing whammy bar which was appraised for about 15-17k by some representative from Mass Street Music.
The other one, which I saw a while back was a 1964 (I think) Jazzmaster, which was valued at 4.5k. The appraiser even added that if it were a Strat, it would've been valued at $8600. |
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Location: NJ | hendrix had a guild 12 string or at least was filmed playing one.
I had a poster of him with an upside down LP when I was a kid.
what I often tell people is a student grade guitar made in 1930's is still a student grade guitar now. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by First Alternate:
Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
I was actually surprised in 1973 when I saw Jimi playing a red Flying V.
Amazing he could do that, since he died in 1970.
"Isle of Wight Concert" footage.
[I was not trying to mislead anyone.]
"Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood." |
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Location: Central Florida | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
Some things are Antiques... Some things are just OLD! How true. Remember about 10-15 years ago when you couldn't hardly give away a '70s/CBS era Fender? Nobody wanted them because they were considered the poorest quality guitars that Fender ever produced. Now, dealer's are asking anywhere from $2000-5000 or more for these overnight "vintage classics." I don't lknow if people are actually paying that much for them, but you know the old saying, "There's one born every minute."
I personally think a lot of the vintage guitar mystique of today is just "voodoo" that was created years ago by dealers that needed a pitch to help them move old used product. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that pre-war Martins and '50s Fenders and Gibsons aren't fine guitars, but IMHO, NO guitar is worth what some of these collector's are willing to pay. I suppose as long as those that have it remain willing to fork over the big bucks, who can blame the dealers for asking their exorbitant prices. |
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Location: Michigan | I have Jimi Hendrix's original CS 257 Celebrity Deluxe that he played at Woodstock
( backstage ) , and his
ME 1598RB 12 string that he made the actual studio recording of All Along The Watchtower with while he was sitting next to Myself,Eric Clapton & Bob Dylan as we were smoking a joint together re-wrighting the melody.I still have the actual roach from that joint.
These items could be for sale .I am very reasonable on the price of them.Any Offers???
TRUST ME ....... GWB |
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Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado | I think a big part of the reason that vintage instruments have become high ticket items is Japan. They are so obsessed with everything American, that Japanese collectors are buying out whole collections and shipping them back home. I have a friend who goes to all of the big guitar shows across the country. He says that he has witnessed whole booths of guitars bought out by a single buyer from Japan. I'm not insinuating that this is good or bad in any political or racial sense, but I do believe that it has driven guitar prices through the roof. There are even sellers out there who refuse to sell to anyone who plan to remove the instruments off shore. They contend that it's a loss of American history and identity when classic items leave our shores. I would guess the same way,(but to a much lesser extent), the Egyptians feel about all of their artifacts being spread over the globe. For the most part, the guitars I have bought were purchased before they became collectible. I just cannot afford or justify the prices in the current market. And I am now looking at some guitar lines that aren't collectible yet, but may well be in the future.
Just to show how crazy this has all become, Teisco Delrays were sold in discount stores when I was a kid. Most priced $60.00 to $80.00. Now there is a growing market for these and the prices for some models have skyrocketed. Maybe it's just sour grapes on my part because I threw away about a dozen of these things over the years.
Who'd A Thunk......
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Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado | P.S.
Hey GWB, how much for the roach?? |
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Location: NJ | the vintage market in any collectible field is fickle.
Sure I had people beg me to sell them instruments so they would "stay in the states" to see them getting hundreds of dollars more for the same guitar as they sold it to an exporter.
I learned that lesson real fast. It is a global market now. I think selling to whomever pays the price is the american way. There is just as much discrimination saying you will not sell to a forgien buyer as there is selling only in the usa.
as the world economies become more intermingled, we will see more international trading going on.
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Location: Buffalo,NY | Here's my '63 Strat:
 
I bought it a few years ago for $8000.00 . It certainly has appreciated. I actually gig with it ! I have it tuned to an open G and have removed one of the e strings so I can play 3 Stones songs with it. The neck is incredible and the tones of the pickups are very sweet. Nothing plays or sounds like this guitar.
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Location: Michigan | Oh shucks Cc you should of asked me a couple of days ago I still had it then.
Sorry it has been used up .Thanks for the inquire about it.
DO NOT DO THE BROWN ACID FROM WOODSTOCK... GWB |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Coincidentally Tom, I was just watching a lesson on Open G tunings... I was just thinking about tuning one of my guitar that way, so I can do Honky Tonk Woman. (or whichever)
It seems like a good idea, being as I have eight guitars, and I can only play one at a time.
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Location: Buffalo,NY | Old Man Arthur
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Coincidentally Tom, I was just watching a lesson on Open G tunings... I was just thinking about tuning one of my guitar that way, so I can do Honky Tonk Woman. (or whichever)
It seems like a good idea, being as I have eight guitars, and I can only play one at a time.
Don't know about the removing a string trick, or just muting the sixth. In order to play Brown Sugar , 19th Nervous Breakdown and Start Me Up you really need the tuning and to remove one string. Keith removes the low E string; I remove the high E string for a little more beafiness to the sound. If you have a guitar to spare , try it out.
Regards,
Tom |
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Location: NJ | I think Keef takes the low E off so that he can "tie off" with it . . . |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | That's true, you need a string with a hollow ball, not the solid ball like the Adamas strings. |
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Location: Stow, Ohio | It is funny how people toss the word vintage around.
I was in a music store the other day when a kid came in with an old 60's cheap Japanese Vox copy and wanted $500.00 for it. I laughed at him and asked him who said it was worth that much. he said a friend of his who is in the music store business said it was. I asked him "well, why didn't he buy it?"
I told him that it was a turd 40 years ago and it was just a petrified turd today, worth nothing more than a cool conversation piece, or wall hanging.
he did have the original case and believe it or not the original owners manual was still in the case. to bad it wasn't a real piece. because having all of that would have increased the value.
I don't understand the 70's Fenders and the 80's Les Paul's.. you couldn't give Fenders away in the 70's and Gibsons where dogs in the 80's.
actually the Vintage market is being fueled by Dr's, Lawyers, Investment Bankers that have more $$$$ than common sense, and ofcourse need to compensate for a few short comings.
It will be funny if the Vintage guitar market bottom falls out....just like the Beanie Babies craze.
I do miss my Fender Bassman 50 head late 60's.
To bad I had it in the 80's when I was young and naive, then it was just an old Fender. today would be worth some $$$ |
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