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Location: NYC | Does anyone know what model of Ovation John Mclaughlin uses on the album My Goals Beyond? Here is a video of him playing it.
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Location: Scotland | 1617 Legend |
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Location: NYC | How can you tell? |
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Location: PDX | I can't tell by looking at, like some here could, but i remember reading somewhere it was a Balladeer. Check out the second customer review here.
That should be verified though.
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Location: big island | welcome to the OFC aleatoric! |
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Location: NJ | ". . How can you tell? . ."
FretMarkers and binding on the neck. |
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Location: NYC | Thanks Lanaki!
I have read that it is a Custom Legend 1719-30CM and a Balladeer. I am curious if anyone has a way to know for sure. My Goals Beyond has probably the most beautiful acoustic tone I have ever heard.
I am in the market for a deep bowl ovation without a cut-away. I am thinking maybe a Legend 1717. Does anyone know the difference between the Custom Legend 1719 and the Legend 1717?
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Location: NYC | Maybe this will help....
Here is another video of John playing the same guitar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBxz3o9e0yw
at 48 seconds you can clearly see that the guitar is a model that has the volume knob located on the top of the body near the fretboard. I could be wrong but I just looked at the Legend 1617 and did not notice a volume knob there in the pictures. Hopefully this helps to narrow down the exact model. |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by aleatoric:
How can you tell? As Cliff said, the 1617 is identifiable from the fret markers and the fact that it has a bound neck. No other model at that time had that combination of features. The nearest current model would be the 1717 Legend from the Traditional series (if they are still available) Failing that it would be a Legend 1777LX . The current Glen Campbell reissue is pretty much identical apart from bowl depth. |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | I don't know ... but it sure looks a lot like my 1616 classical. And it sounds like a classical. |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | My Bad ... definitely not a classical |
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Location: Scotland | A classic would have no fret markers, a slot head and a 12 fret body joint.
It's hard to tell but I don't think it's the same guitar in the second video. It appears not to have fingerboard binding, which would make it a 1612 Custom Balladeer. The Custom Balladeers were visually almost identical to the 1617 apart from the binding and the fact they had chrome rather than gold machines. The only real difference was the bracing pattern (X on the C Balladeer, VT on the Legend) and grade of spruce.
As an Ovation endorsee at the time it's perfectly reasonable that McLaughlin would have had several Ovations, and not neccesarily of the same model |
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Location: Scotland | For comparison purposes in the 2nd clip Coryell is playing a 1619 Custom Legend |
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Location: SoCal | To throw a wrench into this, note that in the first video, the guitar has the same fretboard markers and binding as the guitar that Bobbo just bought. The electronics peg it as late '71 or later. |
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Location: SoCal | And he's playing a different guitar in the second video, this time a Custom Balladeer. Full inlays but no binding..... |
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Location: Scotland | Didn't I say that already? |
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Location: Up North | I don't think anyone's listening to you Paul. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Nobody can understand queens english ... |
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Location: Texas | It was a Deluxe Balladeer, this is an earlier model before the Legend. Late 60s. And it said Deluxe on the headstock front. (which I have seen in other pictures of the same My Goals Beyonf period).
Notice it has binding on the neck but the fretboard markers are different than a Legend or GC model. I have seen a few of these transition models with binding on the neck and Deluxe Balladeer inlays.
2nd video is a Custom Balladeer, and it is late 70s. |
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Location: Scotland | Nope, I'm pretty certain the guitar in the first clip is exactly as moody identified it, which is a very early Legend. I'm pretty sure the Deluxe Balladeer was discontined before the introduction of pickups and preamps, and here the volume control can be clearly seen. 2nd clip is definately a 1612. |
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Location: Texas | I stand corrected, Temp.
Let's jam sometime. |
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Location: Scotland | Serge, I'd love to, you've got make it to an OFC tour, or failing that to a NAMM party. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Originally posted by Tupperware:
Nobody can understand queens english ... Yes, but we pretend not to hear you anyway..... |
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Location: Carle Place, NY | Originally posted by aleatoric:
Does anyone know the difference between the Custom Legend 1719 and the Legend 1717?
The CL has inlaid abalone trim around the body, more elaborate fret markers in abalone instead of mother of pearl, abalone instead of mother of pearl in the rosette, pearloid tuner buttons instead of gold and AAA grade spruce instead of AA in the top. |
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Location: Chicago | Is 1971 late enough for the guitar to be the Custom Legend 1719-30 CM?
The "Meeting of the Spirits" is much later (Valentine's Day 1979).
I agree: my favorite acoustic tone; What I'd like to know is who and how was it recorded there at Douglas 9 records??? |
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Location: Chicago | PS
Here is a "GUITAR-OGRAPHY"
of John's axes. Here the ID
is Custom Legend 1719-30 CM
But I know that John switched
to nylon Ovation BEFORE "Friday
Night" -- so this may not be
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Location: Chicago | HERE IS THE LINK FOR THE McLAUGHLIN GUITAROGRAPHY
http://home.tele2.fr/philippecouturier/jml1_flash.htm# |
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| I agree it's one of the great acoustic sounds - but his Wechters, Our Lady and Marielle, sound a million times better. For me ADM's Ovation sound was always better than JM's steel sound. Just my opinion. And let's not forget Larry Coryell's great sound on Meeting of the Spirits. |
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Location: Scotland | Interesting that it doesn't mention the time machine he must have had in order to play a Custom Legend in 1970, several years before they were produced! |
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Location: Chicago | That's why I asked about anachronism in my first post. I swear I've seen photos of JM on his first O and it is NOT "electric": no electronics. I bet it's a Balladeer.
Our Frechie scholar also omits to note that throughout the 80s JM played nylon O's off and on. On the later Trio recordings as well as on "Friday Night" he did NOT play a steel string Ovation Legend. In fact, for me, the high point of JMs career is Shakti and the early Trio stuff. Then he settles in to less distinctive nylon romance....
Schroeder: Larry's sound on "Meeting of the Sprits" is terrible. Are you being sarcastic? As for JM, "My Goal's Beyond" sports very nice tone indeed. The Wechters, I agree, are breathtaking on early Shakti. |
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| You don't like Larry's "overdrive"? Shame on you. |
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Location: Chicago | Actually I love Larry in general. Favorites include "The Restful Mind", "Spaces" and his work with Catherine. But in 1979 he was in a drunken rut. His playing suffered and so did his tone. JUST LOOK at the video: he is stoned and misses cues. A few months later he was booted out and Al DiMeola was brought on board. This was actually one of Larry's worst cosmic moments and finally kicked him in the ass enough to quit drinking. Really! |
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Location: Uhrichsville, Ohio | I can tell you that the fretboard in the second video (c/o around the 4 minute mark) is identical to my 1612L. I don't know much about the guitar, but I found this thread looking for info on the preamp used in it. Mine appears to be heading south... I can't get rid of the distortion... even with a new battery! Any of you experts have any thoughts?
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Location: Uhrichsville, Ohio | 2nd video is a Custom Balladeer, and it is late 70s. [/QB] Yup... it's identical to my 1612, except mines a lefty (1612L) |
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Location: CT | So, did the very early Legends NOT have the standard Legend/Deacon inlays? but Deluxe Balladeer inlays with a bound neck? |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Nobody can understand queens english ... But Paul, you failed to express it in your usually "witty" and "bold" way; While I am not trying to encourage, there are those who may be agast that it is without your usual "color" and "phrasing"...lol
"If you get my meaning; if you get my drift..." |
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Location: Chicago | I've been to Queens. They don't speak English there. I was aghast (or a gast or a guest or whatever). |
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John Mclaughlin Ovation? (My Goals Beyond)