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Location: South of most, North of few | Just received the DS768 from GE Lewis, and I am happy to say it got here in pristine condition. Other than the tuner buttons that are tarnished, (replacing them soon) It is in new condition. It's going to take me a little while to get used to the lower tone, but what a great sounding guitar! :D :D
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Now you have a guitar that lives up to your name (cannon)! |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | TRaderJim Q : "It's going to take me a little while to get used to the lower tone, but what a great sounding guitar!"
That a Baritone ?
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Location: Simpsonville, SC | Sweeeeeet! How does it sound compared to the Washburn? :p ;) :D |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Adamas hater, Yes it is. James, Puhleeeeese. :p |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | You mean the Wash is a better axe ? :)
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Location: Slightly northwest of Trader Jim | told ya ..those Washburn don't sound half bad!
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Location: East Tennessee | Jim,
Needs a capo. :D |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Originally posted by ADAMAS Hater aka Enfant Terrible:
You mean the Wash is a better axe ? :)
Vic Common, you really got to be kidding. I meant the DS is a baritone. |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Originally posted by Gospel Guitar Guy:
Jim,
Needs a capo. :D Lost one of those in Tenn. ;) |
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Location: Budd Lake, NJ | All these threads about the long necks got me thinking. So, just for fun, I put Gertrude (1111-4) into what I think of as "C-GAD," which is DADGAD down a whole step--CGCFGC. It's probably the closest I'll come to a bari, but if I could just bring myself to put 13's on her she'd probably really rumble (She's got 12's on now.) I do love the way she sounds, though, fake job or no fake job......
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Karen,that`s not a fake job,that`s being Creative :)
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Location: Simpsonville, SC | Originally posted by Trader Jim:
Originally posted by ADAMAS Hater aka Enfant Terrible:
You mean the Wash is a better axe ? :)
Vic Common, you really got to be kidding. |
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Location: NJ | In essence, Karen's DOING the same thing.
It's just that her strings'll be be a bit "looser" and more likely t'rattle if y'really got "into it".
Lemme put forth "the Question" right here/now:
DOES this guitar fit the criteria t'be considered a true "Baritone('cuz that name DOES get bantered about quite a bit in regards to this)Guitar???
I was always under the impression that a true "Baritone" has a different ScaleLength/Tuning . . .
WhazzahStory, UncahBeal??
(This WAS Your"Baby") . . . |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Cliff, the "longneck" has a 28 1/3" scale as opposed to the normal 25 1/4" scale. Actually, I don't think the neck is any longer, they just moved the bridge to the 12 fret position which makes it lower on the bout and makes the scale longer. (and a sweeter sound too!) |
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| Congrtulations - great guitar.
I'm thinking I should order a custom ute baritone. I could probably kill people with an open E. |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Originally posted by schroeder:
Congrtulations - great guitar.
I'm thinking I should order a custom ute baritone. I could probably kill people with an open E. :D |
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Location: NJ | ". . Cliff, the "longneck" has a 28 1/3" scale as opposed to the normal 25 1/4" scale. Actually, I don't think the neck is any longer, they just moved the bridge to the 12 fret position which makes it lower on the bout and makes the scale longer. (and a sweeter sound too!) . ."
No shit.
I completely understand that (I've GOT one).
But, . . can/should it be considered a "Baritone"??
(btw: forget the Ute . . . it's the 2080 LongNeck that's absolutely lethal . . the "chemistry" of all the facets of that guitar just WORK so well . . .) |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | You guys are confusing two different things: Physical dimension vs. Tuning. They do not necessarily have to be related.
1) LONGNECK is a guitar with a (wait for it...) longer neck. But usually the term is used interchangably to mean longer SCALELENGTH. You can achieve this with a standard length neck if you move the bridge back. Obviously the fret spacing is done to match the scalelength. BUT, you can tune the damn thing any way you want. It could be a standard EADGBE tuned guitar because maybe you just like the longer scalelength and wider fret spacing. Personal preference. Obviously you need the correct gauge string. So, just because it is a longneck (long scalelength) does not mean it is a baritone.
2) BARITONE has to do with how you tune the guitar. I don't think there is a standard but "usually" what I see is the term Beritone used to describe a guitar tuned 1 full step (2 frets) lower than standard - DGCFAD. Sometimes this is called "D" tuning. Some folks go even lower, maybe all the way to "C" tuning. It can be done independently of scalelength (ie does not require a "longneck" guitar). Again, you need the right guage of string to make it work.
SO, if we want to play symantics I would say that Karen's balladeer tuned to DGCFAD is most definately a Baritone. By the same logic, if Cliff's "Longneck" were tuned to EADGBE I would claim that it is not Baritone.
And none of this is gonna change the world one iota.
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Location: NJ | Baritone |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | "Baritone guitars have larger bodies than standard guitars".
Ovations "longneck" guitars have a standard body size, so that makes them NOT Baritones.
Thanks for clearing that up, Cliff.
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Location: closely held secret | "If it's in Wiki then it must be true."
Sounds like a good definition would incorporate both lower tuning and a longer scale length (to keep the string tension). |
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Location: NJ | "If it's in Wiki then it must be true."
If y'read the byline, that actually came from Teja Gerken at AcousticGuitar Magazine (one of the FEW over there that has some "respect" for Ovations, btw). |
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Location: closely held secret | Cliff, don't necessarily assume my comment was sarcastic.
Well, ok, it was. :) It's kind of like "I saw it on NBC news, it must be true".
I've read many fascinating and factual articles on Wiki. For a site basically written by submission there's a wealth of info there.
I've also read some equally fascinating and outrageously incorrect stuff there.
I think this article is one of the good ones, it just seems like he is trying to put a hard definition on a type of guitar that comes in lots of flavors. Say, an Adamas is not a true acoustic guitar because acoustic guitars are made of wood and only have one sound hole (2 may be acceptable, but only if they are of the 'f' shape). |
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| Did Ovation ever describe the longneck as a baritone?
I always thought (tho I don't know why) that a baritone guitar had to be around the 30" scale mark, but more importantly had to be B to B to be classed as a true baritone. Otherwise it was just a guitar that was tuned down for convenience/particular tone. |
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Location: NJ | I seem t'remember the phrase "Better than Baritone" or "Below Baritone" (or something t'that effect) in their Marketing Spoo . . .
Moody's got lotsa' time (and catalogs), . . I'll let HIM look it up . . . |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | OK, OK, After all the squabble about whether it's a baritone or a longneck or not, I just want to know one thing ... Does it sound better than a regularly-tuned guitar? How does the sound differ? Etc. |
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Location: South of most, North of few | maybe a tenor tuba? :D |
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Location: NJ | ". . Does it sound better than a regularly-tuned guitar? . ."
No.
It sounds "different".
Can you take your 1581, tune it down a step, and achieve the same effect? . . . probably.
But you'll loose the playability of having the feel of normal string tension (that and the ability t'tune even lower).
Having the bridge pushed "back" probably helps the sound as well (like it does on a 12-fretter). |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by bvince:
Does it sound better than a regularly-tuned guitar? How does the sound differ? Etc. Not to be a Cliff/Jeff (see wiki "smartass") but it sounds different because it is down tuned and therefore in a key that is not normal for most players.
I think it lends a bigger deeper sound and if great for people with a limited singing range that want to do tough songs. Also popular with grunge bands looking for that deep sinister sound.
Does it sound better....different flavors of ice cream. They are all good. |
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Location: NJ | Well put, Stephen.
Where it REALLY shines is in a live situation with another guitar.
The two instruments t'gether just create a melange of overtones and colours.
There's been quite a few times when we'll be playing gigs and I'll switch to the LongNeck and you'll instantly see heads turning as if t'say "Oooo . . THAT sounds "different" . . how're they DOING that?? . ."
Sounds REALLY cool on songs in C with the guitar tuned to (what in essence would be a) DoubleDrop C.
(and btw: it's "WiseAss, L.L.C.") |
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Location: NJ | ThankYou, Sir.
(and MyBest to your lovely wife) |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | ditto.....to the non-wife
Mine keeps saying "while reading the JB book" how she needs to send a thank you note to you. She is really enjoying picking it up and reading in her spare time! |
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Location: NJ | No note necessary.
Glad she's enjoying it. |
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Can you hear the rumble??