Custom Legend question.
76CustomLegend
Posted 2025-09-04 11:31 PM (#561157)
Subject: Custom Legend question.


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Hello everyone, so glad I found this site. I recently purchased a mint Ovation Custom Legend, it is a beauty. The serial number shows it was made in 1976. Some things about it grabbed my attention. The gold tuners are perfect like they were just made, and they have the schaller logo on them not the old Ovation logo that the older schaller keys had. Anyone know when Ovation started using keys with the schaller name on them? Another thing is it has the wooden carved truss rod cover, but the truss rod adjustment is at the rear of the neck, just peghead under the cover. Would this be used in 1976? Thank you so much for your help.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2025-09-04 11:48 PM (#561158 - in reply to #561157)
Subject: Re: Custom Legend question.


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Welcome. I have moved this post to the General Forum, where more people have access to answer, and I have elevated you to full member. Again, Welcome.
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DanSavage
Posted 2025-09-06 6:36 PM (#561161 - in reply to #561158)
Subject: Re: Custom Legend question.



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Hi Jerry,

I had a 1976 CL which had Ovation-branded tuners. Schaller makes tuners with standard screw patterns that match the Ovation OEM tuners.

It sounds to me like the tuners were changed out at some point.

WRT the truss rod adjustment, it should be on the front of the head stock, not in the body. The TR pocket would be hidden by the carved TR cover.

Edited by DanSavage 2025-09-06 6:37 PM
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Love O Fair
Posted 2025-09-06 8:54 PM (#561163 - in reply to #561157)
Subject: Re: Custom Legend question.



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Hi, Jerry. Welcome to the OFC.

You write-->>>just peghead under the cover. Would this be used in 1976?<<<

From what I understand, this would not be happening in 1976.. or maybe some type of proto/one-off. What you describe is a TR adjustment location that commonly represents the Kaman Bar necks, of which didn't begin until 1981. Perhaps you have a 1976 CL body (hence, serial number) with a latter-year neck replacement. Are the fretboard inlays consistent with traditional CL inlays?

PS: Somewhat off topic.. but I recently spotted a 1669 CL for sale in Los Angeles. Not a very common thing to find for sale in 2025.

Edited by Love O Fair 2025-09-06 9:04 PM
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76CustomLegend
Posted 2025-09-06 9:51 PM (#561165 - in reply to #561157)
Subject: RE: Custom Legend question.


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Hello. The guitar has all the regular Custom Legend inlays. It has the carved bridge and the carved truss rod cover, but there is only solid peghead under the cover, the truss rod adjusts at the body. Would this be common? It has a 1976 serial number, but it sure looks brand new. Here are some pictures.



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Randy22
Posted 2025-09-07 9:32 AM (#561167 - in reply to #561157)
Subject: Re: Custom Legend question.


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Can you show a picture of under the truss rod cover, and the truss rod adjustment in the bowl, please?
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76CustomLegend
Posted 2025-09-07 3:41 PM (#561168 - in reply to #561157)
Subject: Re: Custom Legend question.


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Hello everyone. Being that my Custom Legend does not have the truss rod adjustment at the headstock, but does have the wooden truss rod cover, was this common? Did Ovation add the cover or was it added later? Has anyone else had a Custom Legend with the truss rod adjustment at the body, but still having the truss rod cover? Thanks.
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DanSavage
Posted 2025-09-07 4:14 PM (#561169 - in reply to #561157)
Subject: RE: Custom Legend question.



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Hi Jerry,

Your serial # does show a `76 model year.

When I put together my Black Pearl, I used a later, Kaman Bar (K-bar) neck, which has the TR adjuster nut inside the body, near the neck block.

I added a TR cover at the head stock to simulate the earlier non-K-bar neck. The K-bar neck didn't become standard across the Ovation line until 1982.

The K-bar neck was usually used on the later Sheet Molding Compound (SMC) bowls, which again, became standard in 1982. These are easy to spot because, unlike earlier models which used a wood neck block, the SMC bowl used molded webbing.

If you look at the inside of the bowl at the neck block area, you should see, either a wood neck block or molded neck webbing.

Some Ovation guitars, such as the 1624 used an SMC bowl, but a non-K-bar neck. With the 1624, the neck was simply glued to the SMC bowl instead of being bolted-on.

The remainder of K-bar necks are bolt-on.

So, if you look inside the bowl, near where the serial # is, you should be able to determine what type of bowl/neck you've got.

It's entirely possible, this guitar was redone at the factory and was updated to more modern specs with a K-bar neck and SMC bowl.


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76CustomLegend
Posted 2025-09-07 4:35 PM (#561170 - in reply to #561157)
Subject: RE: Custom Legend question.


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Here is a picture of the neck attachment and truss rod adjustment.



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76CustomLegend
Posted 2025-09-07 4:40 PM (#561171 - in reply to #561169)
Subject: RE: Custom Legend question.


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Thank you Dan. So the whole bowl would not be correct for a 76 version if it had the K bar neck. I have added one more picture, can you tell me what you think? Thank you.
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DanSavage
Posted 2025-09-07 5:20 PM (#561172 - in reply to #561157)
Subject: RE: Custom Legend question.



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That's interesting.

It's definitely an SMC bowl with K-bar neck. The `76 Ovations used hand-laid, woven fiberglass bowls and epoxy resin. You can see the weave of the cloth inside.

SMC bowls are molded using hot presses and polyester resin. The inside is smooth, just like yours.

Yours is assuradly not a 1976 model year guitar. If it were the inside would look like the photo below.

Don't get me wrong. Yours is still a very nice example of a CL. It's just not an original 1976 model.



It looks to me like they jacked up the label and rosette and replaced everything else.

1976 Ovation guitars used stamped foil labels. All used silver foil except the CL which used gold foil.

In the photo below you can also see the weave of the cloth.

Yours has the later blue paper label. (1980s)

The rosette looks to be original, but beyond that and the label, everything else looks new.

The original CL rosettes were segmented abalone shells. This is what yours looks like it's got.

Later CL rosettes used printed abalonoid.



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76CustomLegend
Posted 2025-09-07 5:31 PM (#561173 - in reply to #561157)
Subject: Re: Custom Legend question.


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Thank Dan. I sure appreciate your info. Did it basically become a new guitar? Why would they keep the original serial number from1976? Do you think Ovation put the truss rod cover on it? Also this guitar does not have the tuners with the Ovation logo on them.

Edited by 76CustomLegend 2025-09-07 5:34 PM
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DanSavage
Posted 2025-09-07 5:35 PM (#561174 - in reply to #561173)
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76CustomLegend - 2025-09-07 3:31 PM

Thank Dan. I sure appreciate your info. Did it basically become a new guitar? Why would they keep the original serial number from1976? Do you think Ovation put the truss rod cover on it?


I've added some new info to me post above.

Yes. It's basically a new 1980s ca 1119 Custom Legend. They may have kept the original serial # at the request of the owner.

Yes, I believe Ovation did put the TR cover to preserve the look of the 1976 CL. I did the same thing with my Black Pearl, which is a highly-customized CL.

The fact that it has the Schaller logo on the back instead of the Ovation logo doesn't really make any difference in my mind. As far as I'm concerned, tuners are consumables.

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76CustomLegend
Posted 2025-09-07 5:51 PM (#561175 - in reply to #561157)
Subject: Re: Custom Legend question.


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I was wondering when Ovation stopped using the schaller keys with the Ovation logo? So do you think this is a new guitar that did not use any of the 1976 parts? I am wondering when it was made? Guess I could not find that info.
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DanSavage
Posted 2025-09-07 6:15 PM (#561176 - in reply to #561157)
Subject: RE: Custom Legend question.



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76CustomLegend - 2025-09-07  3:51 PM

I was wondering when Ovation stopped using the schaller keys with the Ovation logo? So do you think this is a new guitar that did not use any of the 1976 parts? I am wondering when it was made? Guess I could not find that info.

The question about when Ovation started using Schaller-branded tuners is above my pay grade. :D

I retopped a 1982 1612 which had the blue paper label. It also has the serial # label in the same place as yours, but the silver label is topped with clear tape, which yours does not have.

FWIW, I just noticed something else about your guitar.

The TR cover is from the later, 1157/1657 Anniversary models, not from a CL.

Here's your TR cover:

Here's the 1976 CL TR cover. These did not change over the years.

FWIW, I used an Anniversary TR cover on my Black Pearl CL.

I didn't have a CL cover, so I used what I had on hand...

Looking again, I think this is either a 1982-1984 CL that has had the serial # label replaced and TR cover added to make folks think it's a 1976, or it's a factory re-do that they moved the serial # label from the old to the new.

I'd probably guess the former rather than the latter.

As I wrote before, yours is still a nice example of a CL. As long as the action is low and it sounds good, I'd be very happy to have this in my stable.

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76CustomLegend
Posted 2025-09-07 7:08 PM (#561177 - in reply to #561157)
Subject: Re: Custom Legend question.


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Thanks Dan, it is a beautiful guitar that plays and sounds fantastic. There is not even a scratch on it. You are correct is has the wrong truss rod cover. Do you think I could find the correct Custom Legend truss rod cover somewhere?
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DanSavage
Posted 2025-09-07 10:35 PM (#561178 - in reply to #561177)
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YVW.

WRT the correct TRC, you could keep an eye out on the usual sources, such as Ebay or Reverb, etc.

Personally, if it plays and sounds good, I'd play the snot out of the guitar and not give a second thought about period correctness.
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76CustomLegend
Posted 2025-09-08 5:38 PM (#561180 - in reply to #561157)
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Dan the serial number has me really confused. There is really nothing 1976 about my guitar, why would it have the 1976 serial number?
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2025-09-08 10:35 PM (#561181 - in reply to #561157)
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Because it's what went/goes with the guitar as it originally was. I have an 87 Collectors (#310/1000). The only original parts on it are the tuners and the label. The neck was replaced before it came to me and the body and top were damaged in an accident and replaced (only 87C with an OP Pro in it). But it's still #310/1000. Regardless of what's been replaced on your guitar, it started as 076768 and will stay with that number.....
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76CustomLegend
Posted 2025-09-08 11:07 PM (#561182 - in reply to #561181)
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Thank you for the info. I am learning quite a bit here.
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Patch
Posted 2025-09-09 2:15 PM (#561183 - in reply to #561157)
Subject: RE: Custom Legend question.



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First Welcome to the OFC 76CL.

Second, that's a beatiful instrument you've found!

Third, regarding labels: I've had many guitars re-built at the factory. Some have altered labels, but some have either original labels or new labels with original info. For example, my first re-build involved a damaged 1537 Elite from 1983. The factory built a new body, but at my request, kept the original label. Although I had a truly unique re-build configuration, I wanted to keep a good mix of the original, 1537 vibe as well. Keeping the same serial number was part of that thought process. Still, this rebuild obviously happened well after the turn of the century.

You can see the label in this picture. It still has the 301XXX serial number dating it to its original build year. And FWIW, at least the neck is still from 1983. 

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76CustomLegend
Posted 2025-09-09 5:09 PM (#561184 - in reply to #561183)
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Wow that is a beautiful Elite!
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