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Location: Southern California | Ok, I'm looking for a new guitar. Here are some I like that I'm considering, any thoughts.
Let me cover the immediate responses I know I'm gonna get:
1. just because these links are from GC doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to buy from them.
2. of course I am going to go to a shop & play them first & see how they sound & feel before I buy
3. I am not going to buy a used because my last one was used & I got ripped off, it has a bad neck & I can't even tell, so if you know how to tell a good guitar from a bad guitar buying used is a good option, but it's not an option for me.
I like this one in 'natural' finish: http://www.guitarcenter.com/shop/product/buy_ovation_celebrity_cc44...
I like this one in either 'honey burst' or 'natural': http://www.guitarcenter.com/shop/product/Ovation-Celebrity-SE-Delux...
I like this one in sunburst: http://www.guitarcenter.com/shop/product/Ovation-Celebrity-DX-CDX24...
I like this one in natural koa, but it doesn't even mention what the top is made of?? http://www.guitarcenter.com/shop/product/buy_ovation_celebrity_acou...
I LOVE this one, but it's WAY out of my price range (and it only comes in the super shallow body) http://www.guitarcenter.com/shop/product/buy_ovation_viper?full_sku...
And later on I do want to also get a nylon string & learn some classical/flamenco type playing as well, I saw this one which I liked a lot, it's very affordable (in my opinion) & is a Fender & I like the pretty design around the soundhole (enlarge the photo to see this): http://www.guitarcenter.com/shop/product/Fender-CDN210S-Classical-G... |
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| Are you looking for a BRAND NEW GUITAR, or 'just a new guitar'? The reason I ask, why buy a new Celebrity when you could have a nice late 80's 1767 Legend like the one on ebay right now? This is a very nice USA Legend, and with one day left the bidding is low..the auction is being discussed in the 'FOR SALE' postings... |
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| Don't let one bad experience put you off on used guitars. Before you decide on a new Celeb, by all means go to GC and play them alongside US-made O's. (I'm not picking on Celebs - I've got 2, myself - but most don't compare to a US O). I just picked up a 1980's vintage Legend for the same price as the plywood topped CC44 you linked, and it's one of the sweetest guitars I've ever played. GC also sells used gear, so check out any there, too. If you're set on a Celeb, get a solid-top (usually has the letter 'S' in the model name) like the CSE44. I'm guessing the Koa-topped Celebs are also plywood - the Koa is a veneer over a spruce laminate top.
And don't consider the Viper unless you don't want to disturb roommates/neighbors. It's not really meant to be played without amplification. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I love used guitars, especially ones that have been used for say, 60-70 years. That's the good stuff. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | If you're reluctant to buy a better quality US-made instument used from the street, you might consider buying one from one the members here. It is very rare to hear of a transaction between members that goes sour. Word gets out very fast. Although there is a lot of good-natured banter slung about, most experienced members here value the continuing relationship so they're not about to take advantage of somebody else. Stick around a while and you'll see. |
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| Following up on my previous post - have a little patience and something special might come along. Here\'s a 1717 Legend that just showed up on the bay with a $440 buy-it-now price. OFC member Amazingly-Detached lives nearby, you might be able to talk him into checking it out for you. For the price of the CC44 at GC you'd have a really fine US-made O. |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
If you're reluctant to buy a better quality US-made instument used from the street, you might consider buying one from one the members here. It is very rare to hear of a transaction between members that goes sour. Word gets out very fast. Although there is a lot of good-natured banter slung about, most experienced members here value the continuing relationship so they're not about to take advantage of somebody else. Stick around a while and you'll see. +1! Well said! In fact, all of my O's are from other members. |
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Location: Budd Lake, NJ | I heartily concur with the professor; my one bad experience buying a used guitar was through someone outside the board. (I will never do that again, either--a lesson learned the hard way.)
So--don't rush into a Celebrity, because now you'll have the whole board keeping its' collective eyes open for you. If there is a good one out there, someone is bound to find it, and someone else may be close enough to test it for you.
(And with the way GAS strikes around here, you may get a very reasonable deal on something you may not have even considered just because one of us is jonesin' for something else.)
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Of course, buying a guitar becomes someone else wants it is a lot like going out with someone your married friend would like to.....if only.... |
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Location: CT | I concur with the above. You can buy a used Legend or USA elite for the same or even less money than a new Celebrity (and because it's new doesn't mean it doesn't need a setup). The one Celeb I had (an upper end model) hurt my wrist to play it, the neck shape was so bad. Not to mention, it really sounded flat and dull compared to the ring of a solid top USA O. I've bought and sold USA Ovations for less than 300 bucks that played and sounded better than any Celebrity out there. Don't let one bad deal on a used (foreign built) guitar keep you from buying used. Solid wood tops tend to 'open up' after several years of playing, and sound better than new guitars. With a new Adamas in the house, I'm sitting on the fence about selling my Custom Legend. The market for these (unfortunately) is right around the price range - or even less than the new Celebrities or Ultras. :(
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Location: Phoenix AZ | You should look for a good used USA ovation. It the best value and best guitar for the money.
If you are hell bent on buying new, take a look at the Taylor Big Baby. Amazing guitar for the money.
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Location: Budd Lake, NJ | Fishchick--
See what I mean? Trust me, if I didn't have the shoulder problems I do, I'd love to have that Custom Legend.
Be patient; there's a good guitar out there for you.
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Location: Southern California | Originally posted by Steve:
Are you looking for a BRAND NEW GUITAR, or 'just a new guitar'? The reason I ask, why buy a new Celebrity when you could have a nice late 80's 1767 Legend like the one on ebay right now? This is a very nice USA Legend, and with one day left the bidding is low..the auction is being discussed in the 'FOR SALE' postings... ok, I gotta ask: did you bother to read my post at all? I clearly explained it all there..... |
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Location: Southern California | sorry, I know you're all trying to help, but like I already said, I do not want to buy used again.
I was hoping for opinions based on what I posted, not just people telling me to do what I already said I didn't want to do...............ho hum. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | If you will not consider a used guitar, then you should take a look at the new "assembled in the USA" OVATION ULTRA. Center hole or multi hole style, great electronics, contour bowl, the works. Contact Al. Last I saw, he was selling them brand new with warranty at a really good price and you get to deal personally with a human being. This is a better guitar than any Celebrity ever made new, used, or in between. Dave |
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Location: East Tennessee | fc72,
While you're in the GC check out the 1778T.
Her's a link; http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ovation-1778T-Elite-T-Series...
Might be out of your price range but maybe you could use their credit. These are an excellent guitar. |
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Location: East Tennessee | Oops Tuperware posted while I was typing.
His idea has a lot of merit. Al will give a good deal. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Hi there, I have not posted to you yet...but I think I do know what you are trying to do...get a good guitar without getting hosed because you just don't know much about the instruments...hey that’s cool...but understand this if you can...most of the members that post have been playing for many years: I've been playing for over 40 yrs. So if a recommendation is made, its simply trying to help you out and to help you avoid the pitfalls...I understand about wanting a new instrument...but I have also read that you cannot afford one...sure you might be able to set up payments, but if you take advantage of letting these knowledgeable folks (like myself) look at the guitars for sale; and make a recommendation, its probably a really good one. I know that you need a really nice instrument (preferably a USA made Ovation) in really great shape, for not a lot of money! Here is a possibility: Beautiful Sunburst Legend
This guitar is in excellent condition, and is a great looking sunburst (a rare one at that), and had great electronics’ (OP-24)...Case Etc.
No, It's not new, but it is very close to being that without the "new Price"...at the time of this post, its less than $250.00...That is a great deal...I hope you'll look at it...matbe its something you could really like! I would personally not hesitate to bid on this guitar for a minute if I were looking for a wonderful guitar at a great price (as you can see below, I have several of my own. That is what makes this forum so great: we really try to help others out. In fairness to your earlier post; later tonight I’ll look over the guitars you've selected and give my opinions.
Hope this helps!
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | O.k., I get it. A used guitar is not an option. I've only purchased six new Ovations, including Adamas, in my life. The first two were 26 and 36 years ago. The last four purchases were made in the past year, all from Al. He knows Ovations. Presumably, so do other independent Ovation dealers. Tell him what you want, what you are willing to pay, and trust his advice. The rest of us on this board, with a few exceptions, are amateurs. |
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ok, I gotta ask: did you bother to read my post at all? I clearly explained it all there.....
I was hoping for opinions based on what I posted, not just people telling me to do what I already said I didn't want to do...............ho hum.
My $0.02 - Lose the attitude. If you don't want opinions from people who know a helluva lot more than you (or I) do, then don't bother to post. |
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Location: Southern California | Originally posted by g8r:
ok, I gotta ask: did you bother to read my post at all? I clearly explained it all there.....
I was hoping for opinions based on what I posted, not just people telling me to do what I already said I didn't want to do...............ho hum.
My $0.02 - Lose the attitude. If you don't want opinions from people who know a helluva lot more than you (or I) do, then don't bother to post. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | That's us, we-be-rude. My name's Evan, Evan Rude.
Do what Dave said, not the Taylor solution, the other one. |
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Location: Michigan | LOVE,LOVE,LOVE
ITS EASY DAH-DAH-DAH-DAH-DE-DAH
ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE
ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE
ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE , LOVE
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Well I happen to think it's a bit rude to reply to a post that you didn't even bother to read, that's all.
Oh, Steve most certainly did read your post, as did I and everybody else who replied. Once you grow out of your teens, maybe you'll come to realize that some people may have the benefit of experience and are trying to guide you away from a potential mistake. Whatever; if you have more dollars than sense, do as you will.
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Location: SoCal | get hit when we don't respond, hit when we do...guess we can't win. |
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Location: Simpsonville, SC | Originally posted by Callimachus:
get hit when we don't respond, hit when we do...guess we can't win. +1 :eek: |
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Location: East Tennessee | Hey,
It's just a GAS attack. Haven't we all with a few bucks in our pocket walked in to a GC and played a really cool guitar. One that also looked good and we couldn't wait to go back and get it.
BTW; As previously mentioned, a Celebrity is a nice sounding guitar for the money. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Fishchick,
Concerning the guitar`s mentioned,..Hmm..your choice is between the "Elite"type(multi hole) and the "Legend"type(single hole),..in my opinion, based on (dailey) comparisons, between USA made Elite, USA made Legend`s, Korean made Celebrity-(Legend type), I would say,..the "Legend" type sounds "chimey" measured against the "Elite",.. which in itself means,that the "Elite-type" might require "brighter" strings, that`s all,..!!..however, the Legend can "get away " with say, string gauge 11-52, where the Elite type might require 12-54, and is a real "Loudmouth" with gauge 13-56 , due to it`s big soundboard (Top) ,..if I may put it this way, which model do you like best..??..pick it up, and choose strings to your liking, do not be afraid to X-periment,..I like "Sunburst" best..!!..it has the advantage that fingerprints etc. do not show, and,..if you have not played 4 hrs. a day for the past 100 yrs., then I suggest to have it set-up for (X-treme) Low Action,..remember, a Solid Top will improve over the years,...
...here`s some help...String Guide.......
http://www.mguitar.com/strings/stringselect.html
..as for that Classical Guitar, Fender is a reputable make, they have Good Stuff, but,..for that money, I would look around a li`ll more...
Vic
..Gibson H is a nice universal plectrum..and that deLuxe cSe44burst does look attractive.. :) |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I have solid tops and plywood tops of the same size...
My 4361 is solid top SSB, GC057 is plywood SSB. The solid sounds better unplugged.
CC44-Plywood mid-depth, 1121 & 1621 solid-top mid-depth. The solids sound better.
Just sold an Ultra 1312 plywood top deep, my cracked 1112 sounds better.
This isn't just USO/import bias, most of my guitars were made in "AnothaLand"...
the 4861 is Korean solid, the Ultra was American Plywood. Solid wood sounds better.
Now, all of my imports sound Great plugged-in!
But you can do wonders with EQ and Chorus, but if we are talking about acoustic...
So if you can spring the extra bucks, the CSE44 would be better than CC44.
CSE has a Solid top and an OP30.
As far as eBarf goes, where most of my guitars came from...
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | OK, I had a few minutes to check out your guitars from your post: One question: is the reason you are looking at a Celebrity (made in Korea) Ovation only bercause of the money issue? I have played Celebrity's but for the money why not get great USA made Ovation? I personally don't really like the inports; I know there are some that do; but look at the problems you've had with yours (made in Korea)...why go there again when for the same money you can get a good USA made Ovation on eBay if you look around and are patient. The one I suggested in my earlier post is a killer guitar...it is now about what these imports you are looking at are going for...still about 16 hours left. If you don't have the funds to pay a bunch (say $450) out right, why not get a better guitar and finiance it? CALL AL; not sure if he can finiance but it never hurts to ask; and I know that GC will do that so why not get a better made and sounding USA made Ovation instead of an import? Or just pony up and get one off of eBAy! Thats the best advice I can give you. BTW, no one had been rude to you; they are trying to help. You could be grateful and say thanks!
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Location: Tychy, Poland | i have top-of-the-line celebrity in CP-2002 (limited edition 2002, solid AA spruce top, a lot of bling etc + OP-24+ preamp) and old Legend '79.
CP is multi soundhole, mid-depth. sounds good plugged in (thanks to mr. Budny) but acoustically it's weak.
Legend has deep bowl, and kicks ass acoustically and plugged in, even though this guitar is almost 30 years old.
Neck is much, much more comfortable on my Legend.
Celebrity neck is much fatter, with flat fretboard which makes me tired after an hour of playing.
Overally, i'd never buy celeb again. I have played on 5 of them in shops in Poland, and not even a single one was close to my legend.
If You really want to buy something new and not to pay huge money, look for Samick guitars, like these:
Samick D8 CE
Samick OM15
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | In that price range, if you're set on a new Ovation, it's really going to come down to a personal preference as to what sounds and feels best to you. My experience is that when you're looking at cheaper/import guitars, you really need to just pick each one up and see if it works for you or not. Celebs will be well-constructed guitars that do have good features for the dollars. I'd personally go with a used US Legend over anything else...I have a '79 1617 Legend at the factory getting a refresher right now...but if you're dead set against that, you're pretty much best off just playing them and making a gut decision.
Again, the new Ultra series could be a cool option too. I haven't played one myself, but personally that would be a step above a Celebrity for me. Here's a decent looking one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/OVATION-ULTRA-DELUXE-ACOUSTIC-ELECTRIC-GUITAR-1... .
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | That is a nice looking USO/import hybrid. OP-Pro too. (which I have no experience with).
Then there is the "wait two months" option...
Buy a USO Beater, a model you like...
Then sent it to Connecticut :p |
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Location: CT | She ran for the hills. Too bad, just trying to be helpfull. If you can buy a 'Seasoned' minty Custom Legend for the same price as a new Ultra (which I've played, by the way, ok - but nothing to brag about) or Celebrity, I don't see a contest. She had a problem playing an 'F' chord on her guitar. Probably as much to do with the warp/twist as much as the neck profile. Those Koreans must have strong hands, my Celeb sucked... Anyway, after playing for about 25 years, I'm no professional, but I know what plays easy, and what hurts or fatigues my hands, and to boot, older guitars - treated right, just sound better. Good luck with that whatever new Celebrity you buy Fish, but money spent doesn't always equal satisfaction. If your in my neck of the woods, stop by. You can play my Custom Legend, and if you like it, you can have it for less than the imports...
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Unless you want to make classical or latin or jazz your bag, skip the fender. Your choices clearly are either a steel string or an electric. If you are a real real beginner, you might be better served by an electric as you won't need as much hand strength. If you have some experience then go with a steel string.
If you really are going after a classical look at Yamaha or Ibanez brands in your price range, and then for just a step up look at ovation or takamine. The fender ain't as good as the cheapest yamaha. |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | Well ... I guess I'll chime in on this on too. I'm sitting in a coffee shop right now in Grand Rapids, MI. I just finished playing about 40 different guitars at Elderly Instruments. Aside from the $10,000 - $20,000 ones, The new guitars were really pretty blazee'sounding. I came to the realization that the old ones at my house were much more satisfying to play than anything I touched today. I used to have a couple of those Custom Legends and they are SWWWEEET!. They play and sound better than many instruments that sell for 4-5 times the price of a used one. Nothing against the foreign models though. I would recommend one for any beginning guitar player. But once a person gets some playing experience under their belts and trys a USA-made Ovation, they're more likely to convert over very quickly. If you are not capable of hearing or feeling the difference, then go ahead and get the plywood-made guitar. |
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