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Joined: June 2002 Posts: 6191
Location: Phoenix AZ | I've added a few new photo albums to the gallery. I've had these guitars a while, just never got around to organizing the photos. Some are not Ovations, but you might find them interesting ...
OVATION CUSTOM LEGEND SUNBURST
More photos and details HERE
ADAMAS 12-STRING
More photos and details HERE
TAKAMINE TDP400 12-FRET PARLOR
This is a very nice Cedar over Koa parlor sized guitar with CoolTube
More photos and details HERE
ALTMAN D1 DREADNAUGHT (Adirondack/Mahogany)
This might be in the discussion with my Clarence White as my best sounding dreadnaught
More photos and details HERE
ALTMAN D2 DREADNAUGHT (AdirondackCocobola)
More photos and details HERE
OVATION 1627-4 GLEN CAMPBELL REISSUE 2018
More photos and details HERE
OVATION OLD K1111 BALLADEER
This might actually be the best sounding Ovation wood top guitar that I own
More photos and details HERE
ADAMAS SLOTHEAD #42
Amazes me every time I get it out
More photos and details HERE
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Joined: August 2011 Posts: 887
Location: Always beautiful canyon country of Utah | Love that sunburst!! |
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Joined: February 2018 Posts: 64
Location: Oklahoma City | So the Custom Legend. It appears to have gone back to the factory and re-topped. Do you know the story behind that? |
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Joined: June 2002 Posts: 6191
Location: Phoenix AZ | falknerbrad - 2020-03-17 7:12 PM
So the Custom Legend. It appears to have gone back to the factory and re-topped. Do you know the story behind that?
What makes you think it was re-topped? |
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Joined: October 2012 Posts: 1018
Location: Yokohama, Japan | WOW! Thanks for sharing Standingovation! Sure do love the "Gallery" website. That Takamine...cedar top, koa b/s & cool tube combination has got to be killer! |
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Joined: June 2002 Posts: 6191
Location: Phoenix AZ | Yes, that Takamine parlor looks rather "plain" but wow oh wow is it a nice player and a wonderful voice. |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15653
Location: SoCal | I've played most of those guitars on trips to Dave's house. He thinks that I'm coming to visit him but really it's the guitars. Haven't seen the K1111 so a trip might be coming up........ |
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Joined: June 2002 Posts: 6191
Location: Phoenix AZ | Paul, you would love that old K1111.
The backstory (Paul already knows this) is that I cycled through 12 different Glen Campbell Artist guitars over the years with Artist or Mid depth bowl and acoustically every single one of them sound like crap to me. It's not the guitars fault, these are not designed to sound like a full throated Ovation and I longed for my old holy grail X-braced winged bridge K1111 that started the whole journey for me way back when. It's been 45 years since I last heard it with my own ears, but that sound is indelibly stamped in my memory as the reference standard for Ovation guitars.
And then low and behold what I DO find is the exact same configuration and year of my old K1111 and only 20 serial numbers apart. It was cosmetically near mint but badly needed a neck reset. I got it for cheap, so throwing another $300 plus into the repair didn't seem unreasonable. And what resulted just blows me away by its sound. It's like stepping into a audible time-capsule for me.
I know Paul can relate to what my ears are telling me and I can't wait for him to hear it for himself. |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15653
Location: SoCal | We'll do this before you're off on summer vacation..... |
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Location: Lake Forest, CA | moody, p.i. - 2020-03-18 3:45 PM
We'll do this before you're off on summer vacation.....
Get in touch with me before you leave and I'll let you take my torrefied Sitka `74 1111-4 with you for comparison. |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15653
Location: SoCal | Will do.....
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Location: GA USA | Them's is beautimous. Are you still uking? |
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Joined: June 2002 Posts: 6191
Location: Phoenix AZ | Captain Lovehandles - 2020-03-19 9:46 AM
Them's is beautimous. Are you still uking?
Oh yes ... still playing a lot of ukulele. www.ukulelegallery.com |
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Joined: May 2011 Posts: 751
Location: Muenster/Germany |
What makes you think it was re-topped?
It´s not the old rosette. |
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Joined: May 2011 Posts: 751
Location: Muenster/Germany | ...but the beautiful brown sunburst!!! |
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Joined: February 2018 Posts: 64
Location: Oklahoma City | Three things suggest to me it was re-topped.
1) The color of the sunburst isn't consistent with sunburst of that era. For instance, I have a 40th Anniversary Glen Campbell 12 string with a similar sunburst color. It is not at all like my sunbursts from the 70s and 80s.
2) The newer rosette as someone previously mentioned. It's my understanding the newer style rosettes were used when re-topping and/or the original could not be preserved.
3) It appears (and if you can confirm) it has an all white label inside. A '79 would have the blue and white label. It's a stunner, but I believe it has an interesting story that yet may not be known. |
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Joined: February 2018 Posts: 64
Location: Oklahoma City | 4) Also, a '79 Custom Legend would be a 1619 -- the 1719 didn't come out until what, maybe '84 or '85 or so? I suspect the label inside has a hand written model #, what does it say?
Edited by falknerbrad 2020-03-22 8:39 AM
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Joined: June 2002 Posts: 6191
Location: Phoenix AZ | Model # says 1619. Serial # is 203490. |
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Joined: June 2002 Posts: 6191
Location: Phoenix AZ | Ah, I see the confusion. Spec list on the site said 1719 ... sorry about that, I've fixed it to say 1619 which would be consistent with the label and serial number year.
Question - what was different about the rosettes? I was not away there were different versions and thought all custom legends had the same rosette. I guess you learn something new every day. Thanks
Edited by Standingovation 2020-03-23 9:53 AM
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Joined: February 2018 Posts: 64
Location: Oklahoma City | Here's a comparison between the two rosettes.
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Location: Oklahoma City | And here:
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15653
Location: SoCal | The newer rosette is darker than the early one. I never cared for it..... |
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Location: Oklahoma City | moody, p.i. - 2020-03-23 7:53 PM
The newer rosette is darker than the early one. I never cared for it.....
Agreed. |
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Joined: June 2002 Posts: 6191
Location: Phoenix AZ | Not sure my eyes see the difference but I'll trust you. I've got a few CL rosettes in the parts drawer, I'll give them a look. |
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Joined: February 2016 Posts: 1769
Location: When?? | moody, p.i. - 2020-03-23 5:53 PM
The newer rosette is darker than the early one. I never cared for it.....
I have 'somewhat' thought the same thing. Actually, though, I would probably not have a problem if they had been reversed in issue, with the dark being the initial one. I guess that's just the thoughts of a traditionalist. but we would have never known otherwise and my opinion on it may be reversed as well if that were the case. |
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Joined: October 2005 Posts: 5327
Location: Cicero, NY | Just another case for several varieties of the proverbial ice cream. Personally, I always liked the newer (darker) rosette on darker guitars. The older and lighter on natural face gits. Why? I couldn't explain it if I tried.
Edited by Weaser P 2020-03-24 5:24 PM
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Joined: June 2002 Posts: 6191
Location: Phoenix AZ | The newer (darker) ones sounds better.
I think they cut down more of the spurious reflections (ever wonder why room acoustic treatments are always dark in color?). I also think the color of the rosette changes over time and that's one of the contributors to why the guitars tone changes. When folks claim that their well played guitar has "opened up" I think the aging color of the rosette has something to do with this. Just like the gradual change over time of the tortie pickguards on non-ovation guitars. |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15653
Location: SoCal | You have string tubes on either of them?
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Location: SoCal | moody, p.i. - 2020-03-18 3:45 PM
We'll do this before you're off on summer vacation.....
Or, the way things are going, after summer vacation..... |
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Joined: February 2016 Posts: 1769
Location: When?? | Standingovation - 2020-03-24 5:32 PM
room acoustic treatments are always dark in color
Mine is named Millend Studios. A friend is a furniture designer, and over time she has given me numerous thick upholstery fabric mill ends that I use as acoustic treatments. Flat or folded or rolled or hung into whatever configuration fits the current need, those babies shape ambient sound wonderfully. Some are indeed dark, but aside from that it sure is flowery in there!
Point is.. based on results of using those flowery upholstery prints, I think it's the flower-type design on the rosette that really makes the difference in the way different generations of Ovation guitars sound. Just test one of the flowery rosettes up against the original Ovation grape cluster design and you'll see what I mean. |
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Joined: February 2018 Posts: 64
Location: Oklahoma City | I think I've just entered what is referred to as 'the dark corners of the internet.' |
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Joined: December 2017 Posts: 96
Location: Gardnerville, NV | I actually kind of like the darker rosette. |
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