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Location: Montréal, québec, Canada | Hi, , told you 2 weeks ago that I got myself a Tornado k-1231-1,
Stil can't find the way to put pictures whit my message... sorry.
My question is : What strings or what size of strings did the Tornado came originaly ?
The neck is a bir warped, i loosen the rod completly but it's stil a bit wrong.
I got it whit .010 and changed for .011 wich helped , but I think it could have been made for bigger strings.
Another question ? In the middle of the 4 neck screws there is an Allen screw ???
Could it ajust the neck position...
Thanks for any help.
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Location: Scotland | The allen bolt in the neck pocket is to adjust the neck pitch. Generally with the Storm guitars you need to screw this in to create a reasonably acute neck pitch and increase string tension, especially if the guitar has a vibrato arm. In fact, you're better off using a shim rather than the Alen bolt
You need to define what you mean by "warped". Warped means the guitar has a hump between the 4th fret and neck joint. A truss rod cannot correct this problem, it will need major (skilled) surgery or a new neck. If the neck is bowed (dipped between the 4th fret and neck joint) then you need to tighten the rod under string tension until it is almost but not quite straight. If the neck has a lateral twist the rod cannot fix this either and a new neck or expensive surgery are the only answers, unless you need a dedicated slide guitar.
The Storms have a 24.75" scale length, so will work best with .010 gauge or heavier. You can use lighter guages if you like but they will tend to feel sloppy and sound weedy. |
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Location: Montréal, québec, Canada | Wow a real connaisseur !! thanks.
actualy the neck is not flat, it is alittle bended backwards.
Ususaly if the rod is loosen a bit it will come back to a slight bowed position.
But the rod was completly loosen.and it still needs a bit mor to be good.
The guitar is playable, no buzz.
I tought that one size heavier strings could pull back the neck to a perfect position. |
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Location: Scotland | Bernard, "bent backwards" sounds like a warp, which can be a serious problem if you need a low action over the entire neck. But we could be at cross-purposes over language and terminolgy here. Do a search through the archives on "neck relief" that should help you adjust you guitar. |
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Location: Montréal, québec, Canada | Sorry for my english,
Ah those french Canadians.....
Good idea, are you talking of the archives on this site ?
I do minor ajustements on my guitars sometimes season change will affect the neck very little , and I usualy get good results, maybe I will bring it to a specialist if I cant find in the archives.
Thank's Paul.
Bernard
k1231-1 Tornado
1251-6 Breadwinner
Ibanez Firebrand !! 1975 or so
Seagul M6
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Location: Scotland | Bernard, yes check The Vault years on this site, even if you don't get the answers you need I'm sure you'll find it "entertaining". |
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Location: Montréal, québec, Canada | Ok
Last question ??
If the guitar goes out of tune easely, is it caused by to old tuners ?
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Location: Montréal, québec, Canada | Paul, did not find the info but your right,
it's interesting.
Thank you very much for your help.
My Tornado is not in mint shape but with time and good care... and help from my friends !!!
Bernard |
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Location: Nashville TN. | If you get the neck issued worked out try
DR Pure Blues "pure nickel" string
Or
GHS Burnished pure nickel strings
It will really come alive |
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Location: Nashville TN. | Originally posted by Bernard:
Ok
Last question ??
If the guitar goes out of tune easely, is it caused by to old tuners ?
Bernard It could well be they are worn out.
I just had that problem fixed by replacing
the orginals with Kluson Deluxe replacements.
Ovation did it for me at a reasonable price. |
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Location: Montréal, québec, Canada | Thanks Pez, wasen,t sure Ovation still had those old parts.
Finaly I ajusted the neck as told and it's almost perfect.
heavier gage strings helped to .012 (jazz).
The next step would be the tuners.
Did you get the tuners from Ovation or did they do the job ?
Amazing al the info you can get on this site....
Keep on playin O fans !!!!
Bernard
1231-1 Tornado
1251-6 Breadwinner
Ibanez Firebrand (firebird copy)
Seagull M6 cw
Yamaha classical (cheap but my first guitar-1972) |
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Location: Nashville TN. | Originally posted by Bernard:
Thanks Pez, wasen,t sure Ovation still had those old parts.
Finaly I ajusted the neck as told and it's almost perfect.
heavier gage strings helped to .012 (jazz).
The next step would be the tuners.
Did you get the tuners from Ovation or did they do the job ?
Amazing al the info you can get on this site....
Keep on playin O fans !!!!
Bernard
1231-1 Tornado
1251-6 Breadwinner
Ibanez Firebrand (firebird copy)
Seagull M6 cw
Yamaha classical (cheap but my first guitar-1972) The factory installed new gears.
These are Kulson Deluxe replacements.
They are a little different than the orginal ones.
They post with a holes rather than split top post.
Much easier to restring. Also rather than tiny
chrome buttons they have pearl looking buttons.
They actually look better than the orginal ones.
If you ever seen a 50's Les Paul these gears look like those. It really stays in tune now.
There no ugly marks on the back of the neck.
They put them on some Hamer guitars.
While its there have them check the jack for wear.
Mine had the chrome worn off the inside.
It cut out intermitanly. I had to have the replaced as well.
Since both wore out about the same time on mine
it may be the case with yours.
These are great sounding guitars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzo8rdi3Qi8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI6lzOQW5k0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaNgpXCdaOs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfRUaDb-H8w
I am surprised Glen was still playing Storm Series Guitars as late as 1991.
I bet they sell if reintroduced now
I bet they sell if they could be retailed $1000 to $1500 range.
They sell well. |
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada | "...These are Kulson Deluxe replacements.
They are a little different than the orginal ones.
They post with a holes rather than split top post.
Much easier to restring..."
Actually, the split shaft Klusons are the easiest tuners ever for stringing. You simply trim the string two to four inches (I tend to go longest on the unwound strings) past the post, then push the end of the string right down into the tuner through the hole in the center, bend the string out through the slot and start winding it onto the post. Voila!
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Location: SoCal | PEZ, I don't think Glen was regularly playing his T-head in the early 90's. My guess is that he brought it out for the taping of those videos. By the early 90's he had gone from an ES335 to Strats, which he's used ever since. |
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Location: Nashville TN. | Originally posted by Bluebird:
"...These are Kulson Deluxe replacements.
They are a little different than the orginal ones.
They post with a holes rather than split top post.
Much easier to restring..."
Actually, the split shaft Klusons are the easiest tuners ever for stringing. You simply trim the string two to four inches (I tend to go longest on the unwound strings) past the post, then push the end of the string right down into the tuner through the hole in the center, bend the string out through the slot and start winding it onto the post. Voila!
Wayne I found them etremely agravating they kept poppin off. |
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Location: Nashville TN. | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
PEZ, I don't think Glen was regularly playing his T-head in the early 90's. My guess is that he brought it out for the taping of those videos. By the early 90's he had gone from an ES335 to Strats, which he's used ever since. I have never seen him with an ES-335
The recording sounds like Storm series guitar at least to my ear.
Here a 335 sample hit #1
http://www.gibson.com/products/gibson/classic/ES-335.html
I seen him with Strats maple necks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9x_1Ri3XxE&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6-JhdFp5e0
Here he is with a Viper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E80727OUUDI
Hamer 12 string
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u87f6QjLjGs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIQ5XEVqFp8
I wonder what that cost???
Custom Elite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBKodIRDGkw
The Bluebird
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZf49jYrzH8
A Danelectro Longhorn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyWsUEf4h7k |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Bluebird:
Actually, the split shaft Klusons are the easiest tuners ever for stringing. Agree. These are awesome tuners and you can still buy them new. I put a replacement set on an old balladeer of mine. I love them.
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Location: Montréal, québec, Canada | Sorry , if I reply so late...
Thanks to everybody for all the information.
The neck is finaly ajusted now and the tuners are still good.
The Tornado sounds real good. and stays tuned.
You guys are realy experts....
Keep on playin. |
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