The ONE song I'd love to master BUT...
Weaser P
Posted 2007-10-20 9:29 PM (#77653)
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I've got a few (ok, more like a million but leave that where it is, k?) but I've always tried to grab the feel of Pride and Joy and I just can't. I'll die trying but I'll never get it, this I know.

You?
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Designzilla
Posted 2007-10-20 9:36 PM (#77654 - in reply to #77653)
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Weaser I know what you mean! There are too many to mention but, about 25 years ago, I could do a passable version of Mood for a Day. I've taken a few of shots at it in the last couple of years and finally just gave up on it.
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CrimsonLake
Posted 2007-10-20 9:37 PM (#77655 - in reply to #77653)
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Mood For a Day is mine as well. I can play it through, but never without errors.
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Weaser P
Posted 2007-10-20 9:53 PM (#77656 - in reply to #77653)
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Woulda bet the house that Classical Gas would've been the first response.

And never, EVER, give up on it.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-10-20 10:05 PM (#77657 - in reply to #77653)
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For both lyrics and music... 'Angie'

Have you EVER heard a credible cover?

A song only Mick can sing and Keef can play.
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Weaser P
Posted 2007-10-20 10:09 PM (#77658 - in reply to #77653)
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I've been known to do an INSANELY lame cover.

But I can do the lip thing...
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stonebobbo
Posted 2007-10-20 10:33 PM (#77659 - in reply to #77653)
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Originally posted by Jeff W.:
For both lyrics and music... 'Angie'

Have you EVER heard a credible cover?

A song only Mick can sing and Keef can play.
Stereophonics. A solo acoustic version that is very evocative.
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Weaser P
Posted 2007-10-20 10:35 PM (#77660 - in reply to #77653)
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Stereophonics - great band. Never knew they covered "Angie".
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stonebobbo
Posted 2007-10-20 10:40 PM (#77661 - in reply to #77653)
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You can listen to an mp3 of the song here ... sabout a third of the way down the page:

Stereophonics
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Weaser P
Posted 2007-10-20 10:48 PM (#77662 - in reply to #77653)
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Wow. Gotta say I really like that. I'm gonna have to get more of their stuff. Great band. Thanks, bobbo.
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First Alternate
Posted 2007-10-21 5:55 AM (#77663 - in reply to #77653)
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I'd been toying with Christopher Cross' "Sailing" off and on for some years. I wanted not only the signature triplets but the piano break as well. I experimented with various altered tunings, but none did it all for that tune. I recently tried it in B with standard tuning, and that opened the whole thing up.

Now I can turn my attention to another years long quest, a solo guitar version of "Goldfinger". Why? I dunno.
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2007-10-21 8:01 AM (#77664 - in reply to #77653)
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I'm working on "Just One Victory" by Todd Rundgren. It has several bar chord forms, so it's good practice. And it's demanding vocally. I'm like you, Crim. There's always a hitch in it somewhere when I play it.
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Slipkid
Posted 2007-10-21 8:13 AM (#77665 - in reply to #77653)
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Oh boy, there are quite few of them. I have a seperate notebook of "Songs To Get Back To When I Have Better Chops". It's kinda like having a big stew pot full of songs on the stove. They bubble, boil and once in a while one floats up to the top. You dip in a big wodden spoon, take a taste, and if it's good you take it out. If not, you just leave it in the pot a while longer until it's done.

The one that comes to mind right now is a Townshend solo song called "Dig". It has an odd strum timing that I can't seem to get my head around.
Good tune. Good lyrics. Unknown to most.
I'll send an mp3 to anyone who wants it.
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rededdie
Posted 2007-10-21 11:47 AM (#77666 - in reply to #77653)
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Thanks for the link, Stonebobbo.
Stereophonics. A solo acoustic version that is very evocative.
Embarassingly I had to look up "evocative" in the dictionary, I shoulda just listened to the song...
I hope I'm staying on topic, but every once in a while instead of mimicking a song, just putting some "different" energy into one you try all the time can do it for me.
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Andrea
Posted 2007-10-21 12:09 PM (#77667 - in reply to #77653)
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For me i can have all the chords and bits but the delivery / performance defeats me , how you sustain and build a song with several verses and just you and your guitar , Angie being a case in point . I sing / play much better if i am playing with someone else , who is preferably a **** of a lot better than me , check out my mate James Bragg on "my space" listen to Indian Summer he really raises my game ( im waiting on someone showing me how to do links photos etc )
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2007-10-21 1:35 PM (#77668 - in reply to #77653)
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There are a couple of complete tunes that I will probably never do justice. My issue is knowing 90% of the tune, but not being able to play the "hook."

The complete tunes I can't seem to get, and I'd really like to, are Sultans of Swing and Europa. Other pieces-parts that I'll never master are things like the intro's of Roundabout, or Crazy On You.

The main issue with any of the above is they simply are not my style of playing. It's a little sad, cause I actually started playing electric without a pic. But not being exposed enough, I fell for the "you must use a pic" garbage that was essentially beat into me. Years later I found that the likes of Jeff Beck, Carlos Santana, Mark Knofler etc. etc.. seem to do just fine without a pic.

Anyway, for me, If the song is not in my style of playing, I'll give it a try, but if I don't get it, I just move on... there's lot of other tunes out there.
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Steve
Posted 2007-10-21 1:55 PM (#77669 - in reply to #77653)
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Weaser,
I've almost got a brief "Malaguena-Gas" medley ready for youtube...still working on the 'brass interlude'...
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2007-10-21 3:29 PM (#77670 - in reply to #77653)
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After a friend played a few bars of Classical Gas on a 1713 that I later bought, I worked on it for about a year. I have it pretty well down, but still make a few mistakes most every time.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-10-21 7:27 PM (#77671 - in reply to #77653)
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Mr. Ovation Q-- "I fell for the "you must use a pic" garbage that was essentially beat into me. Years later I found that the likes of Jeff Beck, Carlos Santana, Mark Knofler etc. etc.. seem to do just fine without a pic."

I got a DVD with my Lyon Strat. It said that you "MUST use a pick. Don't even try to use your thumb"...
Last night I was watching a Steve Morse instructional video, and finger-picking a Lead on my X-9... So much for that rule.

As to the original Topic... One of these days I still wanna get that "Dreamboat Annie" intro piece to "Crazy On You".
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Steve
Posted 2007-10-21 7:45 PM (#77672 - in reply to #77653)
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Mark Boise,
Let's hear your 'classical gas', how 'bout it!?
Do you have a youtube or recording? I could use the inspiration.. (except I play it on a 1767..)
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2007-10-22 12:59 AM (#77673 - in reply to #77653)
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If it takes me a year to learn a song, you think I could figure out how to record? It took me the better part of the afternoon to figure out how to record on the new DVR. Some day when I have lots more time. Maybe I'll play it at the factory tour next year.
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Jewel's Mom a/k/a Joisey Goil #1
Posted 2007-10-23 4:19 PM (#77674 - in reply to #77653)
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Sssiiiggghhh. If I could, it would be "Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring." I know, the music is a totally different genre, but......

--Karen
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an4340
Posted 2007-10-23 4:57 PM (#77675 - in reply to #77653)
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it takes me a year to learn a song, you think I could figure out how to record? It took me the better part of the afternoon to figure out how to record on the new DVR. Some day when I have lots more time. Maybe I'll play it at the factory tour next year

Here's the quick and dirty way to record:
1) Record the song onto a casette tape recorder.
2) Open up sound recorder (this is in your computer; it comes with windows). Record "nothing" that lasts for about 30 seconds. Expand it to the length of the song.
3) Run a cord from a the casette players speaker out plug to the line in on the computer.
4) Start the casette recorder and start sound recorder. You won't be able to hear anything, but it'll record.
5) Save the file on your desktop.
6) Open it up with windows media player.
7) From media player you can burn it on a cd and share with friends.


Does anyone here know how to go from here to file that's uploadable to youtube?
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-10-23 4:57 PM (#77676 - in reply to #77653)
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Music is music is music Karen.

The desire remains the same.
Only the song changes.
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Omaha
Posted 2007-10-23 5:17 PM (#77677 - in reply to #77653)
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Originally posted by Jewel's Mom:
Sssiiiggghhh. If I could, it would be "Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring." I know, the music is a totally different genre, but.
I used to struggle with that until I worked out an alternate tuning. Now I play it D G D G B D and it just rolls off the fingers.

I picked up a tab by Jorge Morel for El Choclo that I've never really been able to grease up. I can play the notes, but its never taken on the right feel.

Back to the OP, we play Pride and Joy, but I'm lucky and all I have to do is sing. Great song, and great fun. I've played the SRV version of Mary Had a Little Lamb a million times, but I could never quite get that lick that he throws in at the end of each verse. Funny how some just never seem to fall under the fingers.

We are currently working on Possum Kingdom by The Toadies. I sing and play guitar and this song is proving to be murder. The timing is just nuts (one measure has seven beats, the next eight, the next four, the next six, etc). But its a cool song, so why not?
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Waskel
Posted 2007-10-23 5:37 PM (#77678 - in reply to #77653)
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Originally posted by Omaha:
The timing is just nuts (one measure has seven beats, the next eight, the next four, the next six, etc).
Sounds to me like it's 4,3,4,4 except the bridge (which is 12).


Originally posted by Omaha:
I sing and play guitar and this song is proving to be murder.
Now that's ironic, given the subject matter.
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Weaser P
Posted 2007-10-23 6:50 PM (#77679 - in reply to #77653)
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Love SRV's version of Mary Had A Little Lamb, Jeff, and given the trouble I've had with P&J, I couldn't even attempt that one. I think I've just got the wrong guy to try to imitate - his hands were monstrous, mine are not (and, YES, I know what they say about small hands, everybody, and I can assure you it's not altogether...well, ok, it's possible it holds SOME water in this case BUT JUST THE SAME IT'S BESIDES THE FREAKIN' POINT, OK?), he played a Strat, I play an acoustic, he was talented, I'm yada, yada, yada...
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Omaha
Posted 2007-10-23 9:23 PM (#77680 - in reply to #77653)
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FWIW, in all these years I've only known one guitar player who could really play SRV and make it sound like SRV. This particular guy was horror-show good...he played in three or four different bands at once and rarely rehearsed. He was one of those "just tell me what key its in and I'm good" guys. Ultimate cover player. SRV sounds like SRV. EVH sounds like EVH. Page sounds like Page. On and on. Mainly he had an incredible ear. Just amazing.

I'm not that guy, that's for sure. I always found P&J to be harder to play (but easier to sing, go figure) than MHaLL. I guess it goes back to what this thread is all about. Some songs click and some don't and sometimes there's no telling which is which.
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Weaser P
Posted 2007-10-23 9:43 PM (#77681 - in reply to #77653)
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...and that is what this thread is all about.
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cliff
Posted 2007-10-23 10:53 PM (#77682 - in reply to #77653)
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We do "Pride&Joy" as well, and it's a perennial "crowd-pleaser" (especially in bars).

I have t'give Rick his "props" on that one, cuz he plays the SH!T out of it! People usually freak when they see it's just two acoustics makin' all that noise.
We do "Life By the Drop" as well.
"PossumKingdom" is one I always wanted t'do! . . .
It's a tough one t'do on acoustics still get the singing "right".
Maybe I'll break it out again & try it on our "farewell" gig (what would we have t'lose??).
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Weaser P
Posted 2007-10-24 7:53 AM (#77683 - in reply to #77653)
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Life by the Drop is a great tune too - glad he got to record it before the accident.

"Farewell" gig? What's that all about? Did I miss something (again)?
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cliff
Posted 2007-10-24 8:08 AM (#77684 - in reply to #77653)
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End of the Line
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muzza
Posted 2007-10-24 8:48 AM (#77685 - in reply to #77653)
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I'd love to be able to do 'Wondering where the Lions are' by Bruce Cockburn.

And/or 'No Rain' by Blind Melon - but that one would need a second guitarist.
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Weaser P
Posted 2007-10-24 8:57 AM (#77686 - in reply to #77653)
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Yep. Missed that whole thread, Cliff. Sounds like you guys had a great run though. So, going out with the "what do we have t'lose" attitude?

God bless ya, man.
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cliff
Posted 2007-10-24 9:10 AM (#77687 - in reply to #77653)
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". . So, going out with the "what do we have t'lose" attitude? . ."

Actually, we went about it with that attitude from DayOne (and oddly enough, STILL kept getting re-booked). Why change anything now??
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cliff
Posted 2007-10-24 9:32 AM (#77688 - in reply to #77653)
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". . I'd love to be able to do 'Wondering where the Lions are' by Bruce Cockburn . ."


Muzz;
If Jimmy Buffett can play it, there's no reason why you can't. We do the BlindMelon tune as well . . . but y'DO need two guitars.
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