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Location: Yokohama, Japan | Hello OFC,
Been playing my limited number of USA Os. Excluding my 1868 which is still under construction, my 1117 has a stellar sparkle. My torrefied 1612 is deep and satisfying. But my 1678AV50 is something special (that's saying a lot considering how much I love my torrefied Balladeer!). Got me thinking how many Os were constructed with the "neck meets body at the 12 fret" design. Searched throughout the forum and found a lot of useful information, and rave after rave after rave reviews of these amazing guitars. Looked throughout the web and found some great info at "Tribute" as ususal, but couldn't find a definitive list. So..., I thought making one here might be useful (???). In compiling this list I left out custom orders (like the Utes), as my hope is to assist those of us looking to find some of these to add to our collections. Although some of the custom ordered models have come up for sale, those are rare occasions, so this list is focusing on production models: The list is split into only two categories; non-cutaway and cutaway. Steel stringers are unmarked while nylon stringers are marked "nylon". Os are listed with no markings and As are marked accordingly. Tried to keep bowl depth info accurate as well, but I dunno... Non-Cutaway (Center-hole and Epis)
1113 Classic nylon DPB
1114 Josh White DPB
1115 Pacemaker 12-string DPB
1116 Concert Classic nylon DPB
1158 Custom Legend 12-string DPB
1613 Classic nylon DPB
1614 Folklore DPB
1615 Pacemaker DPB
1616 Concert Classic nylon DPB
1618 Glen Campbell 12-string DPB
1658 Custom Legend 12-string DPB
1678 50th Anniversary Epis MDB
1680 Adamas Premiere Epis DPB
1713 Classic nylon DPB
1997 Collector's Parlor nylon or steel string Cutaway (incidentally all Center-hole!)
1763 Classic nylon DPB
1773 Classic nylon MDB
1863 Classic nylon SSB
FD14 Josh White Folklore Deluxe DPB Posting this list here in hopes that all the veterans might be able to hone it into a definitive and accurate list. My preliminary research indicates there are no cutaway/epi'd production models offering this incredibly efficient design. Hence, the Utes I guess??? Naw, gotta be missing something here... Hope this list will be helpful to somebody someday... I know all of you "In the Know" don't need this sort of thing, but since I'm not there, thought I'd post this here! Thanks for the help!
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Location: Texas | The original Josh White Model was #4 until it was discontinued after his death. They re-continued that model during the 70s and gave it the Model #1114, calling it the Folklore. They re-issued the Josh White in 2006 as a 40th anniversary guitar. The model # for that guitar is "K1114" Not very many were made of the first one and even fewer for the 2nd. If you were ever looking for a 12 fretter...Ovation killed it with both of those shiny bowls. Beal...what did you do with your early one that you scored last year. | |
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Location: Parkersburg, WV | You should classify the U681T (the "Ute" as a production model and not a custom order. 100 identical units were made and issued in 2005.
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Location: moline,illinois | Arumako,
there were the original late 60's versions of many of the models you listed
3 Classic
5 Balladeer 12 string
6 Contemporary folk classic
8 Glen Campbell 12 string
plus there were artist bowl versions
1624 artist folklore
and mid bowl versions
6773lx
6774lx
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Location: Yokohama, Japan | Thanks for the help everybody!
@ Patsbro - Yes, the U681T is production isn't it. Thanks. I realized that I had forgotten to check the Ovation Gallery website (awesome site) and there it was listed as a production model!
@ jay & 2wheeldrummer - I think you're both talking about the original series, right? So...
#3 - Classic nylon DPB
#4 - Josh White DPB
#5 - Balladeer 12-string DPB
#6 - Contemporary Folk Classic DPB
#8 - Glen Campbell 12-string DPB
However, everything I'm finding on the 1624, 6773LX and 6774LX suggest they are 14 fretters. Were there special editions produced as 12 fretters? | |
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Location: When?? | Are you talking strictly Ovation.. or including Adamas? And how far back in time? I ask because the 40th anniversary Adamas bear claw is a 12 fretter. | |
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Location: Yokohama, Japan | Thanks Love O Fair. Your right! I completely left the Adamas 40th Bear Claw out! So...
1198 Adamas 40th Anniversary Bear Claw MDB
added to the list...I think I'm getting pretty close! | |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Lost Art Vintage 12-Fret Koa. I think there were 12 made of the 12 fret and another 12 of the 14 fret. | |
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Location: Yokohama, Japan | Thanks again everybody! I think this is pretty close. Incidentally, all 12 Fretters are apparently Slot-head as well! Cool!
Non-Cutaway (Center-hole, Epis and Bear Claws)
#3 Original Series, Classic, nylon, SDPB
#4 Original Series, Josh White, SDPB
#5 Original Series, Balladeer 12-string, SDPB
#6 Original Series, Contemporary Folk Classic, nylon, SDPB
#8 Original Series, Glen Campbell, 12-string, SDPB
1113 Classic, nylon, DPB
1114 Josh White, DPB
1115 Pacemaker, 12-string, DPB
1116 Concert Classic, nylon, DPB
1158 Custom Legend, 12-string, DPB
1198 Adamas, 40th Anniversary, "Bear Claw", MDB
1613 Classic, nylon, DPB
1614 Folklore, DPB
1615 Pacemaker, 12-string, DPB
1616 Concert Classic, nylon, DPB
1618 Glen Campbell, 12-string, DPB
1658 Custom Legend, 12-string, DPB
1678 50th Anniversary, Epis, MDB
1680 Adamas, Premiere, Epis, DPB
1713 Classic, nylon, DPB
'97 Collector's, nylon or steel string, Parlor
K1114 Josh White Re-issue, SDPB
U681-T Adamas, Epis, DPB Cutaway (Center-hole or Single Oval)
1763 Classic nylon DPB
1773 Classic nylon MDB
1863 Classic nylon SSB
2006X Koa, LAV Limited Edition, Single Oval, DPCB
FD14 Josh White Folklore Deluxe DPB Bowl Legend:
DPB - Deep Bowl
SDPB - Shiny Deep Bowl
DPCB - Deep Contour Bowl
MDB - Mid-depth Bowl
SSB - Super Shallow Bowl On another note, while researching, found this Dream on Ovation Tribute...
 Custom built for a Mr. Tom Tennant (hope it's okay to share this pic here). Didn't include it in the list as it's a one-off custom build; but WOW... Anybody here heard this thing before? I guess the market for guitars like this is pretty small, but this thing has got to be a resonance monster?
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Location: Texas | "1114 Josh White, DPB" The 1114/1614 was the Folklore | |
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Location: Muenster/Germany | The 2080style 12fret Adamas indeed seems to be a dream guitar! That´s why I have a 2 custom built 12fret shortscale guitars made by Ernie Rissmann, one 12string, one 6string:
The 1624 was a 14fret, I had one. Sorry, no Ovations this time..
And to make your list more complete: my 1658 12string parlor is a 12fretter, too;-)
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | The 1122 was a 12-fret if I remember right. Nice little guitars. | |
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Location: When?? | Good one, Arumako, everybody. A nice reference list to have handy.
I swear.. tossing out a tech/spec question around here is like an alarm going off in a firehouse, or calling out a sheriff's posse. Gotta love this place! | |
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Location: When?? | @Damon - "You're missing the 1198-GCF"
Well, there goes the "all are slot-heads" thing. | |
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Location: Canada | DetlefMichel - 2018-05-02 10:05 AM The 2080style 12fret Adamas indeed seems to be a dream guitar! That´s why I have a 2 custom built 12fret shortscale guitars made by Ernie Rissmann, one 12string, one 6string: Yeah I had that same dream but as I could not find one I settled on a 12-fret 12-string Guild Orpheum. It helped that I already liked her bigger six string brother. And well they were also buit in New Hartford. 
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Location: SoCal | That 2080 with the 12 fret neck and beautiful fretmarkers is a great guitar. Don't know where it is now. I think Tom sold it. If I remember correctly, the guys in the factory put a wrong neck on it that Tom didn't want, but he accepted it. I played that guitar and thought is was magnificent! Whoever has it now has a really wonderful guitar....
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Location: Maine | In the first posting, the FD14 is non-cutaway if I'm not mistaken ? | |
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Location: Yokohama, Japan | @ DetlefMichel - WOW! Thanks for sharing the pics of your Rissman twins...just beautiful. What kind of wood? @ d'ovation - AWESOME! Thanks for sharing the Guild twins...love those classical looking bridges on both - simply elegant and built right along side our most beloved Os! Those must just sound magical! Thanks for the comment on the 2080 12 Fretter moody, p.i. Your knowledgable comments always add depth! I don't imagine too many people have had a chance to hear, much less play that cool instrument! And thanks again everybody for the input. So here's my latest update;
1). Added 1122 as Classic Balladeer. Definitely a 12er! Thanks Patch! BTW, do you still have yours?
2). Fixed 1114/1614 "Josh White" to "Folklore". Thanks jay!...interesting that the K1114 is Josh White.
3). Moved FD14 to non-cutaway! Thanks TJR!
4). Added the 1198 GCF. The only non-slothead in the list. Thanks Damon67!
Keep the corrections coming! Interestingly enough, all 12 Fretters are slotheads except the 1198GCF.
Added "Acoustic Only/Electric" designation just before the bowl type.
Non-Cutaway (Center-hole, Epis and Bear Claws)
#3 Original Series, Classic, nylon, AO, SDPB
#4 Original Series, Josh White, AO, SDPB
#5 Original Series, Balladeer 12-string, AO, SDPB
#6 Original Series, Contemporary Folk Classic, nylon, AO, SDPB
#8 Original Series, Glen Campbell, 12-string, AO, SDPB
1113 Classic, nylon, AO, DPB
1114 Folklore, AO, DPB
1115 Pacemaker, 12-string, AO, DPB
1116 Concert Classic, nylon, AO, DPB
1122 Classic Balladeer, nylon, AO, DPB
1158 Custom Legend, 12-string, AO, DPB
1198AV40 Adamas, 40th Anniversary, "Bear Claw", AO, MDB
1198GCF Adamas, "Bear Claw", AE, MDB (non-slothead)
1613 Classic, nylon, AE, DPB
1614 Folklore, AE, DPB
1615 Pacemaker, 12-string, AE, DPB
1616 Concert Classic, nylon, AE, DPB
1618 Glen Campbell, 12-string, AE, DPB
1658 Custom Legend, 12-string, AE, DPB
1678 50th Anniversary, Epis, AE, MDB
1680 Adamas, Premiere, Epis, AE, DPB
1713 Classic, nylon, AE, DPB
'97 Collector's, nylon or steel string, AE, Parlor
FD14 Josh White Folklore Deluxe, AE, DPB
K1114 Josh White Re-issue, AO SDPB
U681-T Adamas, Epis, AE, DPB
Cutaway (Center-hole or Single Oval)
1763 Classic nylon, AE, DPB
1773 Classic nylon, AE, MDB
1863 Classic nylon, AE, SSB
2006X Koa, LAV Limited Edition, Single Oval, AE, DPCB
AO - Acoustic Only; AE - Acoustic Electric
Bowl Legend:
DPB - Deep Bowl
SDPB - Shiny Deep Bowl
DPCB - Deep Contour Bowl
MDB - Mid-depth Bowl
SSB - Super Shallow Bowl Thanks again! Think it's getting really close! When it's set, I'll post a separate thread with the final list! Awesome!
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Technically Ken, the 1122 is my wife's, even though she doesn't play. She says it sounds too nice to sell. Bear in mind she's let me sell a 1537, 1538, two 1987's, a Martin D-42, and a Collings DS-41...among others. And I have a suspicion she would not mind if a few more went out the door as well...but not that one. So I say that I keep it for her. Who am I to argue?  | |
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Location: Muenster/Germany |  Hi Arumako,
the Rissmann 6 string has a mahogany neck, ebony fretboard, selected (I selected it!) bearclaw spruce top, solid figured maple sides and a solid rosewood back. This is the loudest guitar I ever had. See the special Rissmann bracings, very unusual for a steelstring:
The 12string has a selected spruce top (very hard, sounded like a floortile when I tapped it), coloured, mahogany neck, ebony fretboard and solid rosewood back and sides. Sounds like a 1920´s guitar.. | |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Not actually an O or an A, but the Academy KA17 is a Kaman Music Product.
It's a 12 fret slothead and has the Ovation paddle to show its heritage...
http://www.ovationfanclub.com/megabbs/photos/photo-thumbnails.asp?a...
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Location: Yokohama, Japan | Love O Fair - 2018-05-05 4:03 PM Ken.. do you ever sleep??
I do, Al. Compared to my guitar playing, I'm quite good at it!
Patch - 2018-05-05 8:24 PM Technically Ken, the 1122 is my wife's, even though she doesn't play. She says it sounds too nice to sell. Bear in mind she's let me sell a 1537, 1538, two 1987's, a Martin D-42, and a Collings DS-41...among others. And I have a suspicion she would not mind if a few more went out the door as well...but not that one. So I say that I keep it for her. Who am I to argue?
Wow, the 1122 must be wonderful. I know you favor Redwood, and I'm trying to imagine what a 12 Fretter nylon O with a Redwood top would sound like!.
DetlefMichel - 2018-05-07 10:12 PM Hi Arumako,
the Rissmann 6 string has a mahogany neck, ebony fretboard, selected (I selected it!) bearclaw spruce top, solid figured maple sides and a solid rosewood back. This is the loudest guitar I ever had. See the special Rissmann bracings, very unusual for a steelstring: The 12string has a selected spruce top (very hard, sounded like a floortile when I tapped it), coloured, mahogany neck, ebony fretboard and solid rosewood back and sides. Sounds like a 1920´s guitar. Thanks for sharing the indepth info DetlefMichel. The bracing pattern on the 6-string Rissman is very interesting indeed. Looks like a Ramirez & Quintad combined. The curved cross brace (which looks symetric to the butt/bottom of the guitar) is set high...gotta make for some serious resonance there. My 1678's bear claw spruce top has killer resonance and sustain. I'm thinking "bear claw" spruce is more than pretty grain patterns... cholloway - 2018-05-07 10:27 PM
Not actually an O or an A, but the Academy KA17 is a Kaman Music Product.
It's a 12 fret slothead and has the Ovation paddle to show its heritage... Thanks cholloway! Yes, the KA17 a.k.a. "The poor man's Folklore". I'll include this to the list as well. I think that's gotta complete the 12 Fretter list! Woohoo! Thanks for the contributions everybody! | |
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Location: Texas | (( Thanks jay!...interesting that the K1114 is Josh White )) Yes...to the extent that both Fender and DW have little sense of historical accuracy. The 67 Balladeer reissue was K1111. Maybe the K stood for "kinda". Does it matter...probably not. The Re-issues of the shiny bowls were beautiful instruments and if you picked one up under 1K, you got a steal. | |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | arumako - 2018-05-09 4:12 AM I know you favor Redwood, and I'm trying to imagine what a 12 Fretter nylon O with a Redwood top would sound like!. Ta Dah! It sounds as good as it looks.  
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Location: When?? | @Patch - >>>Ta Dah! It sounds as good as it looks.<<<
Oh, my. So nice. So very nice. | |
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Location: Yokohama, Japan | Patch - 2018-05-09 2:53 AM Ta Dah! It sounds as good as it looks.
Oh man, Patch! I should've known, I should've known! She is a beauty! Which brings an interesting question to mind... If the world ended tomorrow and you can take only one guitar to heaven will it be this one or the 1122 (theologically incorrect question, I know...sorry)?
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Location: When?? | @Arumako - >>>If the world ended tomorrow and you can take only one guitar to heaven will it be this one or the 1122 (theologically incorrect question, I know...sorry)?<<<
Patch.. should I perhaps outlive you, can I please have the one you don't take?
Thanking you in advance :-)
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