Kerrville Emerging Songwriters Competition
DaveKell
Posted 2018-02-28 9:01 AM (#541433)
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I've been writing quite a few songs lately. I've sent recordings and lyrics to three friends who are writers and recording artists. Two of them expressed an interest in recording one song each from what I sent on their next cd's. Their praise of my efforts is mind blowing, especially considering one of them has had his songs recorded by John Denver, Garth Brooks, Charlie Pride and Dianna Ross. He said my lyric writing is "as good as it gets".

I'm not expecting anything to come from being part of a field of 800 entries, but one never knows. If you're selected, there are several performance competitions at the Kerrville Festival where you do your two songs. I'd be utterly terrified! I don't write expecting recognition or financial compensation. I write because I have to. Still, I'm going to have a degree of anxiety until April 15th when winners are announced. Let's see what the Universe decides for me.

If anyone asks for links to recordings, I'll have to post them when I get back from a cruise to Mexico I'm leaving on in a few minutes until March 10th.
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Darkbar
Posted 2018-02-28 4:08 PM (#541438 - in reply to #541433)
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I'm not sure I can wait until March 10th.
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nerdydave
Posted 2018-03-01 11:32 PM (#541445 - in reply to #541433)
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Cruise to Mexico? Glad you are healthy enough to do such a thing. Hope you are taking a guitar to sing songs old new and in between as the sun sets over the ocean ending another perfect day of reverie and camaraderie.
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DaveKell
Posted 2018-03-13 9:26 AM (#541608 - in reply to #541433)
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Have to skip the offer to post mp3's of the songs. I recently was given a book written by one of Nashville's most successful songwriters, with over 300 of his songs recorded. As soon as I learned he was friends with my songwriter friend in Nashville I had been sending my songs to he actually sent me a Facebook friend request. He told me not to post my songs online without registered copyrights and an artist's performance organization membership. My friend told me he'd speak to him about receiving my songs since he steadfastly refuses unsolicited material. My friend said he was certain the author would be interested in what I've written/recorded. Too many things are falling into place with this. 65th birthday in Cozumel was a blast and only required two more days at sea to recover from the fine Mexican tequila.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2018-03-13 10:31 AM (#541610 - in reply to #541433)
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You're about a month ahead of me. Happy Birthday and good luck.
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Darkbar
Posted 2018-03-13 4:20 PM (#541617 - in reply to #541433)
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Dang it!!!
I was so looking forward to reading the lyrics for:

Duane's Eyes
Tour Bus Tango
Opioid Haze
Batsh*t Crazy
and
Bust My Bubble Again
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Love O Fair
Posted 2018-03-13 5:52 PM (#541618 - in reply to #541433)
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Darkbar.. no sweat. You'll surely be able to catch them on the radio (though "Tour Bus Tango" will be banned in 34 countries) and at that point we'll be able to say "we knew him when".
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nerdydave
Posted 2018-03-15 9:25 PM (#541656 - in reply to #541433)
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Poor Dave Kell seem about to trip the light fantastic leaving the rest of us here wondering what we coulda/shoulda done to escape our lives of quiet desperation!!
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Darkbar
Posted 2018-03-17 9:47 AM (#541673 - in reply to #541433)
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UPDATE: DaveKell just "tripped the light fantastic", fracturing his spine for the 38th time, requiring ANOTHER round of surgery. On the plus side, it gives him more material and lots of time to write the next big hit.
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Love O Fair
Posted 2018-03-17 1:46 PM (#541677 - in reply to #541433)
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Actually, I believe surgery #20 was his first for spinal issues. It stemmed from a cable snapping on some gym equipment, which, by complete miracle, just weeks later found him tripping the light fantastic with tequila on a Mexican cruise ship with a broken neck. An amazing feat for a 15-year-old, let alone a man of 65. As reported by Dave himself, the first 19 surgeries were for intestinal problems (which I'd imagine were further cauterized by the aforesaid tequila). In other words, it takes a lot of guts and backbone to write songs the caliber of his.
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Darkbar
Posted 2018-03-17 4:32 PM (#541682 - in reply to #541677)
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Love O Fair - 2018-03-17 2:46 PM


In other words, it takes a lot of guts and backbone to write songs the caliber of his.


Wait! We have never HEARD a song of his... (my guess is, it takes a lot of guts and backbone to LISTEN to a song of his)

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DaveKell
Posted 2018-03-18 9:37 AM (#541691 - in reply to #541677)
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Love O Fair - 2018-03-17 1:46 PM

Actually, I believe surgery #20 was his first for spinal issues. It stemmed from a cable snapping on some gym equipment, which, by complete miracle, just weeks later found him tripping the light fantastic with tequila on a Mexican cruise ship with a broken neck. An amazing feat for a 15-year-old, let alone a man of 65. As reported by Dave himself, the first 19 surgeries were for intestinal problems (which I'd imagine were further cauterized by the aforesaid tequila). In other words, it takes a lot of guts and backbone to write songs the caliber of his.


Facts on the gym injuries. When the seat I was on rocketed back and hit the end stop on the rail it created three compression fractures. Since the vertebrae involved aren't "collapsing", the neurosurgeon has opted to let them heal on their own as opposed to injecting an expanding cement in all three of them. Compression fractures often cause people to lose physical height (they get shorter). Isn't happening to me. The whiplash from the sudden stop on the chair dislocated a disc in my cervical spine (that's in your neck) and the disc is shoved what looks like about a quarter inch into my spinal cord from the mri images. That is the location of the fusion where they will remove the disc and fuse the vertebrae. I still function normally as a bipedal human being, my tequila consumption capabilities unimpaired, although my bipedal ability suffers considerably after too much of it. Darkbar, bipedal means creatures who walk upright on two legs.

Last Thursday I attended a songwriters circle at a local venue where I played four of my songs. A gigantic Dan Haggerty looking dude in bib overalls came up to me afterwards and said he had a professional recording studio and has several pro musicians on call for sessions. He said "man you are a great lyricist, we should get some professional demos done for you". My biggest impediment is, unlike you Darkbar, I was not blessed with an excellent singing voice. I resemble Leo Kottke's description of his voice, "I sound like a duck fart in November". Not to worry though. Another attendee, an excellent fingerstylist and vocalist with a voice that's a cross between Elvis and Ricky Skaggs, introduced himself to me and asked if I'd cowrite a few songs he's stuck on. I said sure, if you'll sing on my demos. A deal was struck.

As for when my fusion surgery will happen.... my insurance company declined for a second time to cover it. They said I need "more history with the injury". Which I translate as they hope I simply die from it before they have to shell out. It's in a binding third party review process now. Not looking forward to it since learning the incision will go through the front of my neck to access the bulging disc pressing forward into my spinal cord. I'm sure you'll all know hen I've had the surgery if I dare to post here because of the crazy switch narcotic pain meds switch on in my brain. A fact I've admitted to and apologized for profusely.
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Love O Fair
Posted 2018-03-18 12:48 PM (#541695 - in reply to #541433)
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Hello, Dave..

Gym injury: I guess this is a mystery that has us all confused here. At least it is for me. When leg pressing, the seat is ALREADY pressing backward to a full stop. A cable snap will "rocket" the FEET forward, not the seat backwards; thus, releasing inertia pressure from the seat, not applying it. Perhaps you could describe the mechanics of the apparatus failure, and how this law of physics changed for you that day. Or, maybe it's just that your lyrical talent has gone temporarily awry and you are confusing the rhyme of "feet" with "seat". Inquiring minds would like to know, and it might make a good practice run for when you take the witness stand in your lawsuit.

Musical compositions: FYI, the most fundamental rule of US copyright law clearly states that the creator owns the rights to what they create the instant it is created. Registration merely places a copy of it into the Library of Congress to publicly record ownership. I have handled and processed thousands of pieces of literary works of others and fully understand these parameters. Is it a good idea to register your works? Sure. Is it required to defend them? Nope. Regardless of registration or not, copyright disputes to a legal ending are required to be settled in court. Courts require process and witnesses, not just a piece of paper from the LOC. On your amateur level of the game, your association with SO many PROLIFIC songwriters, studio owners and producers is a testament to your ability to defend your copyrights to the pieces they witness and work on with you. As well, millions and millions of people have posted millions and millions of their original works on various online mediums, and we have yet to hear of anyone's pieces being stolen and capitalized on to that level of legal ending against them. In other words, your copyright fears are relatively dark-ages-obsolete.

Your work is safe with us! Please feel free to post your boast. Love to hear them. Aside from that rendering of display and appraisal, it is clear that anyone else's work is today as it stands exactly the same level and quality as yours.

~LOF~

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Darkbar
Posted 2018-03-18 4:21 PM (#541697 - in reply to #541433)
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Seriously Dave, I doubt anyone here on the Ovation forum is gonna steal your lyrics, rush out to Sony records, and make a million $'s selling your song to them. (If they were to do that, I'm sure they would get banned from the forum) But whatever...I guess we can all wait for your Grammy nomination.
Oh, and thanks for your clarification on "bipedal". I was sure it meant a cyclist who rode in either direction.
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DaveKell
Posted 2018-03-18 6:30 PM (#541700 - in reply to #541695)
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Love O Fair - 2018-03-18 12:48 PM

Hello, Dave..

Gym injury: I guess this is a mystery that has us all confused here. At least it is for me. When leg pressing, the seat is ALREADY pressing backward to a full stop. A cable snap will "rocket" the FEET forward, not the seat backwards; thus, releasing inertia pressure from the seat, not applying it. Perhaps you could describe the mechanics of the apparatus failure, and how this law of physics changed for you that day.

Funny how these comments seem to strike me as thinly veiled aspersions to the veracity of my description of the injurys cause. An exercise book I bought before beginning my two years of working out four times weekly had a picture of a leg press machine with a similar weight cable lifting system but a different seating mechanism. So I'd surmise you are only familiar with the apparatus you've personally used before and indeed not entirely versed in the mechanisms employed by ALL manufacturers. All I can tell you is when the weight was at the top the lifting cable broke and the plate I was pressing sprang back against my feet. In the very same instant the mechanism locking my seat in place on the rail failed for some reason and I was indeed "rocketed" on the rail to my ultimate destination, that being an end stop with sudden impact force on my back. If you'd like, give me an email address and I'll forward you a pic of the offending machine to analyze further. I'm certain no laws of physics were violated that day.

 

Or, maybe it's just that your lyrical talent has gone temporarily awry and you are confusing the rhyme of "feet" with "seat".

No, but thanks for the suggestion in case I'm ever stuck on a rhyming convention with those two words.

Inquiring minds would like to know, and it might make a good practice run for when you take the witness stand in your lawsuit.

Musical compositions: FYI, the most fundamental rule of US copyright law clearly states that the creator owns the rights to what they create the instant it is created. Registration merely places a copy of it into the Library of Congress to publicly record ownership. I have handled and processed thousands of pieces of literary works of others and fully understand these parameters.

So one could assume your full understanding of the complexities came from a prestigious law school?

Is it a good idea to register your works? Sure. Is it required to defend them? Nope. Regardless of registration or not, copyright disputes to a legal ending are required to be settled in court. Courts require process and witnesses, not just a piece of paper from the LOC. On your amateur level of the game, your association with SO many PROLIFIC songwriters, studio owners and producers is a testament to your ability to defend your copyrights to the pieces they witness and work on with you.

I believe I only mentioned one friend who is, actually WAS, a prolific and gifted songwriter. That hardly qualifies as "SO many". He's retired now and not directly connected with the industry anymore, save for occasional Bluebird Cafe appearances and a close friendship with a Vince Gill band member who wrote a few of Vince's hits. I've only met ONE studio owner. Sorry, but I've yet to encounter a producer, and at my "amateur level" really haven't learned what a producer actually does.

As well, millions and millions of people have posted millions and millions of their original works on various online mediums, and we have yet to hear of anyone's pieces being stolen and capitalized on to that level of legal ending against them. In other words, your copyright fears are relatively dark-ages-obsolete.

Here's where I think I'll believe a music industry mega success story over your opinion. I'm going out on a limb here and guessing you've never heard how the minute a new song is released by an unknown writer they are immediately served with several notices of a lawsuit filed against them. Unless you're a writer who is secreted away in an undisclosed location at a music publishing house where nobody on the outside has heard your work, there are individuals who come out of the woodwork claiming they were the writers of the original version of your song. To be sure, most of these are nuisance lawsuits. He did cite one example however where the judge and jury sided with the plaintiff in one such case  and "that level of legal ending against them" actually took place.

Your work is safe with us! Please feel free to post your boast.

Of what exactly did I "boast"? That people are complimenting me on my songs? Is that really a "boast" by whatever reasoning method you use to ascertain someone's intentions?

Love to hear them. Aside from that rendering of display and appraisal, it is clear that anyone else's work is today as it stands exactly the same level and quality as yours.

I wish I had the ability to delve deeply into your mind to figure out what precisely that last comment was supposed to be informing me of.

~LOF~

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Love O Fair
Posted 2018-03-18 8:13 PM (#541701 - in reply to #541433)
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>>> If you'd like, give me an email address and I'll forward you a pic of the offending machine to analyze further.<<<

Thanks, no. But you could surely post it here. It could clear up a lot of misunderstanding and curiosity about this injury you keep posting about.

>>>So one could assume your full understanding of the complexities came from a prestigious law school?<<<

One's assumption would be incorrect.. and your question is hopelessly rhetorical. My comments on copyright law come from experience with a few thousand pieces of other peoples' work that I have been in possession of and made public through the past. That's all it is.. and that's all I said it is.

>>>I'm going out on a limb here and guessing you've never heard how the minute a new song is released by an unknown writer they are immediately served with several notices of a lawsuit filed against them.<<<

You'd think that scenario would be quite common knowledge within the vast expanse of today's mediums of desktop publishing, but no, this extensive legal phenomenon has escaped me.. at least on the level you portray it as happening with amateur songwriters such as you and I. I guess you'd have to further define "released". In the meantime, the millions and millions of "unknown writers" working on the same level as you who post their new and original material online around the clock, heck, just on YouTube alone, must be keeping the world's attorneys and courts in business. Is that what you're saying?

>>>Of what exactly did I "boast"? That people are complimenting me on my songs?<<<

No, not that "people" are complimenting you. You, yourself, have commented that accomplished professional(s) have said that your work is "as good as it gets". So yeah, that's a boast. Pretty big one, actually.

>>>I wish I had the ability to delve deeply into your mind to figure out what precisely that last comment was supposed to be informing me of.<<<

What I said about your work not being any better or worse than others on the same level as yourself seems to be self-explanatory.. and certainly shouldn't require you to "delve deeply into my mind". I mean, YOU are the one who keeps telling us how your work is shooting up the through the opinion ranks of various people in accomplished music circles.. over and over. But since you are reluctant to furnish even on sentence of lyrical material, or one instance of a recording, I am simply curious as to why they are saying this. A lot of us are.. and while those of us here on the forum who are also into songwriting are willing and eager to read/hear the things you keep posting about, the hook you dangle in front of us thus far has no worm.

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DaveKell
Posted 2018-03-19 12:46 PM (#541705 - in reply to #541433)
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I only have a few more observations in this tit for tat before I'm going to grant your wish and post lyrics I've been sharing with a Nashville songwriter friend. I'm going to do it, against other's advice, because I feel you made a few compelling arguments. Please try to remember however that if you state that I said you make compelling arguments, others of your bent will perceive that as boasting, so please try to refrain (I'm only trying to help).

When I said I'll forward you a pic of the offending machine to analyze further, you said "thanks, no. But you could surely post it here. It could clear up a lot of misunderstanding and curiosity about this injury you keep posting about." I have to respectfully decline. You see, I've looked at group pics of members of this forum. No offense intended, but a great many of them don't look like they have much familiarity with workout equipment. So we'll just let this one die.

You also said "my comments on copyright law come from experience with a few thousand pieces of other peoples' work that I have been in possession of and made public through the past. That's all it is.. and that's all I said it is." Actually, it's not all you said. You added that "I have handled and processed thousands of pieces of literary works of others and fully understand these parameters." I find that an admirable accomplishment (that smacks a bit of boasting) because the author of the book I have on music publishing states that the average attorney has little comprehension of the complexities of copyright law. So congratulations to you on this achievement of yours attained without benefit of law school. Hopefully you can see my question about you being a law school graduate was by no means "hopelessly rhetorical" as you called it (Darkbar, rhetorical questions are ones that don't really require an answer).

We're almost done here so bear with me and then I'll post lyrics. You added in response to my quoting the author of the books comments about unknown writers being sued when their song is recorded and released "In the meantime, the millions and millions of "unknown writers" working on the same level as you who post their new and original material online around the clock, heck, just on YouTube alone, must be keeping the world's attorneys and courts in business. Is that what you're saying?". You might want to go back to my original comments on this and try a little device known as reading for comprehension. You'll find I only mentioned ONE instance where this author said it occurred. How you extrapolated that into "keeping the world's attorneys and courts in business" is a mystery known only to you.

Let's wrap this up, so, finally regarding your claim about me "boasting" You said "No, not that "people" are complimenting you. You, yourself, have commented that accomplished professional(s) have said that your work is "as good as it gets". So yeah, that's a boast. Pretty big one, actually." Really? In my understanding, boasting amounts to a vaunted display of exaggerated pride over any number of things such as wealth,possessions, sexual conquests, and any number of other prideful things. I'm not sure if merely stating a fact about something someone said about your work is rightfully judged a boast. I'll think more about it and let you know what I actually decide on that one. By the way, you said I did this "over and over".Wrong. I merely mentioned comments from two people, and that was to illustrate my astonishment that my songs are being received so favorably.

I hope I've adequately addressed your concerns and assumptions. With that I'll now be making a few posts of the offending lyrics for your critiques.
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DaveKell
Posted 2018-03-19 12:56 PM (#541706 - in reply to #541433)
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This song was lovingly written about an 84 year old lady who attends my weekly Friday jam session. She owns an exquisite 1964 cherry burst Gibson J45.

ANNA LOU
She's a backporch picker I see every weekend
Here I am gettin' schooled in playin' guitar again
She knows every song written longer than I've been around
She picks a fine old Gibson with the best guitar sound

(CHORUS)
ANNA LOU WOULD YOU SING THE SONG I LOVE
WITH YOUR VOICE LIKE AN ANGEL IN THE CHOIR ABOVE
PICK YOUR OLD GUITAR IT SOUNDS THE BEST OF ANY HERE
IN ANY KEY YOU CHOOSE IT IS MUSIC TO MY EAR

(SOLO AND THEN TO BRIDGE) (2nd time go to verse 2)


(BRIDGE)
Her fingers fly like lightnin'
Glidin' on the strings
The applause rings like thunder
Everytime she sings
We won't have her much longer
Her light is fading fast
But the happy smile on her face is the
Memory that will last
(TO CHORUS)


When she was a young girl she could turn all the boys head
Now she shows class and beauty with her simple songs instead
I'm so glad I know her and can call her a friend
When she starts in singin' I don't want it to end
(CHORUS)

(TAG AFTER LAST CHORUS)
You're a treasure with the music we all love to hear
IN ANY KEY YOU CHOOSE YOU ARE MUSIC TO MY EAR

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DaveKell
Posted 2018-03-19 1:06 PM (#541707 - in reply to #541433)
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This is called Patches on the Heart. A lady at my weekly jam said she had this song title in her mind for years but had no idea where to go with it. She asked me to see what I could come up with. This was my best effort dealing with the expression I'd never heard before.

Grandma sewed a quilt with a heart made from patches
From clothing her dear departed loved ones wore
She could point to any patch and tell their story and
The date they crossed over to the golden shore
I said why do you sit and dwell on these memories
So many times you've said your goodbyes
She got a look on her face as if angels were around her
And I saw a tear come to her bright green eyes
She said. (CHORUS)

CHORUS
Patches on the heart are a big part of livin'
They hold us together through life’s heartaches
Sadness and loss will always be a given
We make it through with whatever it takes

She pointed to a patch from my grampa’s favorite shirt
As memories came of happy childhood days
She showed me a patch from my dad’s baby blanket and I
Recalled how good he was in so many ways
I listened as she relived the good times with so many
People I grew up with as a boy
She gave me the finished quilt made with loving hands and said
Hold everyone in your heart with joy

(Bridge)
Grandma left us soon on a sorrowful day
I held the quilt remembering when last we spoke
A patch from that dress she wore in the center lay
I saw it for the first time as my heart broke (CHORUS then Tag)

(TAG)
I think of her often & things she used to say
Patches on my heart hold her with me everyday

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DaveKell
Posted 2018-03-19 1:12 PM (#541708 - in reply to #541433)
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If I may be allowed to quote someone on a songwriter forum to me, "this reminds me of John Prine songs" No boast, just fact.

BUDDY SHE'S YOURS NOW

There's an old expression
About the Lord's intention
When you need Him to come thru
And grant a wish for you
It goes "if the Good Lord's willin'
And the creek don't rise"
But at time He ain't willin'
And you get a big surprise

Here's an example straight out of my life
It's about the day that I lost my wife
The Good Lord wasn't willin' and
The creek rose over its bank
I hopped into my rowboat
Hit a stump and then it sank
While swimmin' against the current
I was paddlin' for dear life
When I thought about that outlaw who
Had just run off with my wife
I finally reached dry land,
Caught my breath and was so happy
Because I realized that outlaw was
Having' a worse day than me!

BUDDY SHE'S YOURS NOW
I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU
JUST SAY YES TO ALL THE THINGS
SHE'S GONNA ORDER YOU TO DO
LIKE SIT AT THE END OF THE COUCH AT NIGHT
AND RUB HER STINKY FEET
RUN OUT TO THE KITCHEN AND BRING
HER A WHOLE LOT MORE TO EAT
AND LATER AFTER YOU HAVE HER
TUCKED SAFELY INTO BED
VERY SOON YOU'RE GONNA BE PRAYIN'
SOMEBODY WILL SHOOT YOU IN THE HEAD

Before a month goes by you'll be wonderin'
Why I stayed with her so long
Once upon a time we had a
True love that was strong
Years went by, she got mean
And set in her way
She had a penchant for complainin'
Every hour of the day
Before long you'll be wonderin' why
You can never do anything right
That sweet thing you thought you stole from me
Will be long gone from your sight (CHORUS)

(TAG)
I always believed in "till
Death do us part"
But I wanna thank you for
Giving me a whole brand new start.
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DaveKell
Posted 2018-03-19 1:18 PM (#541709 - in reply to #541433)
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This is a song about relationship confusion. It's called How Did We Get Here


What if I don't want no more, What if I've had my fill

Would you finally let me go, Or make me stay here still

Most men want who I have, At least it's what they think

But this hold you have on me, Keeps drivin' me to drink
(and I've been thinkin')

(CHORUS)
Your love is an addiction, It seems I have to feed

You keep me satisfied, While keepin' me in need

Ain't no 12 steps I can try, No amends that I can make

I can't seem to say goodbye, there's no other road to take
(solo)


What's left for us to do, I can't go away

No other's on my mind, I really want to stay

(BRIDGE)
How did we get here, And why do we hold on

If you didn't own my mind, I'd already be gone

Somethin' about this, Still seems to be so right

Don't worry anymore, I want to hold you tonight
(and I'm acceptin') (CHORUS)

(TAG)

Even after I hit the bottom, I'll never say goodbye

I'll never say goodbye


This about wraps it up for now. I have several more but I'm sure this sampling will be amply savaged by my haters here quite adequately.

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Darkbar
Posted 2018-03-19 4:12 PM (#541712 - in reply to #541709)
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DaveKell - 2018-03-19 2:18 PM



This about wraps it up for now. I have several more but I'm sure this sampling will be amply savaged by my haters here quite adequately.[/QUOTE

Actually, speaking for ME, I liked them all.
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Love O Fair
Posted 2018-03-19 4:13 PM (#541713 - in reply to #541433)
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Hey everybody!.. did you hear?? I made compelling arguments! I made compelling arguments! Me! Compelling arguments!! And DAVE said so!!

>>>I hope I've adequately addressed your concerns and assumptions. With that I'll now be making a few posts of the offending lyrics for your critiques.<<<

Nine days later than promised, but quite well good enough. Nice redemption. Score one (or four) for you!

Now, please be advised that the official filing has been made. Two of those songs were written by me years ago. See you in court.

>>>I'm sure this sampling will be amply savaged by my haters here quite adequately.<<<

Ain't gonna happen. At least it shouldn't. Nice people here on the OFC would never do that about someone's work. I applaud you. See how that works?

I enjoyed reading your lyrics and the story headings that went with them. Nice job. Here's wishing you the best of luck on the song competition this whole thread began with. I hope you win the big prize.

PS: Wow.. look at that!! Darkbar and I were replying at the same time, but he beat me by one minute and I didn't see it until I posted mine. The planets align. Amazing, isn't it, Dave?


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Posted 2018-03-19 4:57 PM (#541714 - in reply to #541433)
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No wait.. PS again. On a side note, I never attended A&M, but the whole slew of my Texas family have.. and since this thread originated in Texas, may I please pass along HUGE kudos to Texas A&M for their 86 to 65 trouncing of... drum roll please.. North Carolina!! Hello Sweet 16! WoooHooo!! Gig 'em Aggies!

(All I need now is for Dave to tell me he is a Horns fan.. and we'll get this whole thing started again.)




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Mark in Boise
Posted 2018-03-19 5:52 PM (#541716 - in reply to #541433)
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I'll join the fan club for Dave's lyrics. Having tried once to write a song, I know how hard it was for me. It's good to see some that make sense. It's a shame that there are so many good songwriters out there who aren't appreciated, while there are rappers and hip hop artists making big bucks. Most of their lyrics are crap and they don't even have to worry about the melody.
I won't join the fan clubs for any Texas schools. As a Kansas State alumn, however, I am proud my old school knocked off the number 16 seed. That wouldn't be a big deal if the 16 hadn't knocked off the #1 seed.

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Posted 2018-03-19 6:14 PM (#541717 - in reply to #541433)
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Okay... now that the preliminaries are accomplished, if I could figure out how to post the mp3's of the raw recordings you could hear the melodies and suffer through my voice. Ample warning, a Darkbar I'm not when it comes to a singing voice. Another ample warning, they're raw recordings of just me and the guitar and I had raging bronchitis when I did them as well. My friend with the recording studio just cleaned up on a sale of stock and is investing the money into his recording studio which is currently torn apart. He promised me I am first up when the new equipment is in place.

As for Texas college athletics... I'll pass on any comments. A few years back my oldest son was attending Texas Tech while his little brother was at U of Texas at Austin. They were both home when their schools were playing each other in a football game. They're both fanatical sports fans. I was afraid I was gonna have to call the Sheriff on them.
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Mark in Boise - 2018-03-19 6:52 PM

I'll join the fan club for Dave's lyrics. Having tried once to write a song, I know how hard it was for me. It's good to see some that make sense. It's a shame that there are so many good songwriters out there who aren't appreciated, while there are rappers and hip hop artists making big bucks. Most of their lyrics are crap and they don't even have to worry about the melody.

Songwriting is indeed quite difficult. I've only written a few that I would ever even consider letting others read or hear, and even then I would be ready and prepared to be laughed at. That said, I CARE too much about what my lyrics are saying. I'm not so sure all hip hop/ rap artists are as concerned about the artistic quality of their work, as much as the emotion they are trying to express.....anger, rage, violence, sex, etc. It's just different, but it certainly appeals to their audience...
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Posted 2018-03-19 10:36 PM (#541724 - in reply to #541433)
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Sheet music for today's rap and hip hop must really be something to see. That is assuming it even exists in that form. Probably more like crayon scribbled on a Taco Bell bag.
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Darkbar - 2018-03-19 7:23 PM
Songwriting is indeed quite difficult. I've only written a few that I would ever even consider letting others read or hear, and even then I would be ready and prepared to be laughed at. That said, I CARE too much about what my lyrics are saying.


For me, songwriting is very easy. I guess part of that is because I majored in comparative literature at Indiana University. For instance, the Buddy She's Yours Now song came about like this. I was driving across Georgia several months ago vaguely listening to an interview on the radio with a guy in a troubled marriage. When asked if the marriage will survive, his reply was "if the good Lord's willin' and the creek don't rise". I turned off the radio since my wife was asleep. I began to wonder about that old expression and what might happen in the marriage if the Lord wasn't willin'? I made up that song in my head while driving down the road, in probably about the time it took to go 40 miles before I pulled into a rest stop and wrote it down from memory.

The song AnnaLou literally came to me during the twenty minute drive home from my Friday night jam session. I was thinking about the elegant looking lady in her 80's who always attends the jam with her glorious sounding ancient J45 Gibson. When I got home, I got my guitar back out and within minutes the song was finished in the way it's currently written out. I wrote a second version of it to play for AnnaLou at the next jam, minus the bridge with lines like "we won't have her much longer". I'm sure the reason why is incredibly apparent! Anyway, she loved it and requests it at every jam anymore. The last time I forgot and sang this version and when I got to the bridge I had to pretend I forgot some of the new lines I wrote.

When I was a child, probably around 8 years old, I laid down on the top bunk in my bedroom with a notebook and wrote two songs. I didn't play any instruments then of course, I just heard a melody in my head. I left the pages laying out on my bunk. My dad came home from work and had a few friends with him. They'd stopped for a few beers before arriving. For some reason, my dad went into my bedroom and found the songs on my bed. I was in the living room with his friends who were drinking more beers. My dad came out of the bedroon, literally belly laughing at the top of his lungs, and said "hey guys, listen to this. It looks my son is writing songs!". He laughed his way through reading what I had written while I sat mortified as the other two joined in the loud laughter. The only line I remember him repeating over and over was "I don't care if it's Zsa Zsa Gabor, you were supposed to love me more". Thinking about that line now, it seems out of place, unless I was approaching it from the standpoint of talking to a bisexual lover who was cheating on me with a woman. Clearly, I had a long way to go with songwriting. However, the emotional deep scarring left on me that day by that incredible parenting fail meant I never considered songwriting to be anything more than a way to be ridiculed from that point on. Well, my dad offed himself two months before Elvis died at the same age my dad was. Songwriting slowly came back into the picture eventually.

The 83 year old Texas music legend who runs our Friday jam session began suggesting several months ago that someone introduce some new songs into our usual repertoire of ancient country (I'm usually the youngest guy there at age 65). I thought he meant more recent songs by different artists so I sang some Eagles and Ray Wiley Hubbard. It fell very flat with all the old cowboys there. I later learned he meant why didn't someone try writing new songs for us all to learn. I jumped right in and have been bringing a new one every week since. A couple of them have become favorites we have to do at every jam. The old Tele picker who leads the jam and does all the solo improvising is now excited about the idea of us forming a band out of the better pickers at the jam and putting on a show at a local Opry sanctioned venue, performing all this original new material. I find it equally sad and amusing that a guy very near death's door is so enthusiastic about a comeback gig at his age, but he's become a friend I love to death and am supporting him.

Wow, I must be boring you all to death with this diatribe so I'll end it now. I'd only add that I have no ego attachment to my compositions and am entirely open to suggestions for wording changes.
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Posted 2018-03-20 2:33 PM (#541731 - in reply to #541433)
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Just some amateur writing thoughts over a cup of rainy day coffee---

First for the easy stuff-- I can write slapstick lyrics and attach them to simple-chord tunes and beat at an instant's whim. All day long, not difficult at all. Fifteen minutes later there it is complete. I've been doing that since my teens, but it's not like anyone really wants to hear a silly song about a sandwich on a truck stop menu, or a hot air balloon stuck in sewage pond, or a ballet dancer with a booger on her nose. At least not more than once for a moment's chuckle. Only guys like Jerry Reed and Ray Stevens could ever have gotten away on that kind of musical humor with longevity. Still lots of fun though.

On the heavy, emotional side-- one example is that lately I've been working on a piece about 35 college kids who died in the bombing of Pan Am 103. A topic that I have been very deeply delved into for 30 years, I can name them all, but when I try to work on something like that I always find myself asking inwardly, "How dare I?". It wasn't MY event. I wasn't there. So much suffering and it's not really any of MY business to be writing about it. Anything non-fiction or historical that I wasn't a part of seems to end up that way.. so it gets parked aside because of that sentiment, or maybe until I can find a proper proxy that would apply to myself. Those are the toughest for me.

Then, of course, there are love songs. I recently learned that Lionel Richie wrote the entire second verse of "Lady" while he was sitting on the crapper and Kenny Rogers was waiting in the next room. I mean, how simple are those lyrics.. but wow.. what an impact they made. Again, it's only the established and famous with endless industrial resources who seem to get away with that stuff. The rest of us have to actually mold it into something unique.. and we have to openly expose our emotions about a personal love in front of others whom we most likely know personally-- most, if not all, who wouldn't know the difference between an A-minor tone and a tire screech, but somehow *think* they are industry critics (Dave and his dad's drinking buddies are a prime example of that). I've written a handful of love songs for my wife and our lives together.. but usually only for her and maybe her parents. It's no one else's business beyond that. However, there is also an alternate and stealth approach to it. Do y'all here know the song, "Always With Me, Always With You", by Joe Satriani?* To me that is positively the most romantic song ever written.. and not a single lyric in it. That is definitely the most pleasurable way for me to write a love song-- mixing masculine and feminine tones. Man, if my guitars only knew the images they are playing to! Joe's sure did.

And then, finally, musical composition talent. On a 1-10, mine is about a 4. Always stuck on the same old beats and melody structures. Yuck. Just yuck. I guess the good part is that I have recently semi-retired, and even though I began playing music around age 8, it wasn't up until these days that I actually began picking up a guitar or portable keyboard on a daily (sometimes hourly) basis. The finger callouses are starting to harden nicely now, as are the chord grips and transitions, so that helps a great deal. And I also converted a room in the house into a recording studio so that I can check my work aside from real time. With both open space and an enclosed dead booth, it's pretty rustic. I named it "Millend Studios" because it is mostly acoustically dampened with mill ends of thick upholstery fabric that a decorator friend donated for the cause. Very flowery in there.. lol.. but it works quite nicely. So on I go with my new aspirations of songwriting and instrumental talent honing. What a hoot!

Bottom line-- it ain't easy. At all.
(but you already knew that)

Oh, and PS: Dave, I knew that if I called you out enough that you would eventually cough up.. and again I applaud you for it. More guts than I. Great job!

* Always With Me, Always With You - Joe Satriani - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpMCGXWzCS0

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Posted 2018-03-20 6:48 PM (#541734 - in reply to #541731)
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Love O Fair - 2018-03-20 2:33 PM
And then, finally, musical composition talent. On a 1-10, mine is about a 4. Always stuck on the same old beats and melody structures. Yuck. Just yuck. I guess the good part is that I have recently semi-retired, and even though I began playing music around age 8, it wasn't up until these days that I actually began picking up a guitar or portable keyboard on a daily (sometimes hourly) basis. The finger callouses are starting to harden nicely now, as are the chord grips and transitions, so that helps a great deal. And I also converted a room in the house into a recording studio so that I can check my work aside from real time. With both open space and an enclosed dead booth, it's pretty rustic. I named it "Millend Studios" because it is mostly acoustically dampened with mill ends of thick upholstery fabric that a decorator friend donated for the cause. Very flowery in there.. lol.. but it works quite nicely. So on I go with my new aspirations of songwriting and instrumental talent honing. What a hoot!

Bottom line-- it ain't easy. At all.
(but you already knew that)

Oh, and PS: Dave, I knew that if I called you out enough that you would eventually cough up.. and again I applaud you for it. More guts than I. Great job!



I began guitar around age 9 after my dad saw the Beatles (with me) on their first American tv appearance. Maybe it gave him second thoughts about where ya could go with songwriting. I have kicked myself for not applying myself more to playing guitar. I've had 50 years to get better at it but remain a hack. I have an innate ability to play rhythms flawlessly with tons of strumming techniques, but my goal of solo improvising has escaped me all my life. One of the books I read about pitching your songs said if you form your own publishing company (to keep the other 50% of your song earning split) to give it a noticeable name. That way, when a secretary is digging through stacks of publisher submissions, if your name catches her eye you stand a better chance of your demo cd being heard. I'm considering MoleAssez Music Publishing. We''ll see.

 

In the meantime, I guess I'll try to post a few of the raw recordings. Remember, a Darkbar I ain't with singing, and I had bad bronchitis while doing these!

https://soundcloud.com/user-566557345/anna-lou-with-solos

https://soundcloud.com/user-566557345/patches-on-the-heart

https://soundcloud.com/user-566557345/how-did-we-get-here

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Love O Fair
Posted 2018-03-20 7:19 PM (#541735 - in reply to #541433)
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Dave.. why, oh why, didn't you post this work on here months ago? Then we wouldn't have been batting you around so much and you could have made us all look bad a long time back! If the rest of your jam group sounds like this, then I can clearly see why they weren't all that interested in the "new stuff" you laid on them. Damn Texans.. I know how you are. What I am hearing here is flavored so incredibly traditional, especially with such wide room on the environment values. Your voice isn't bad.. it's just distinct to the style. Nothing wrong with that, bronchitis and all. Thanks for the posts. See you at the Grammys.
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This has been a thoroughly enjoyable read.
Complete with a surprise ending.
Carry on.
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Posted 2018-03-21 8:56 AM (#541749 - in reply to #541718)
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Darkbar - 2018-03-19 7:23 PM
Songwriting is indeed quite difficult. I've only written a few that I would ever even consider letting others read or hear, and even then I would be ready and prepared to be laughed at. That said, I CARE too much about what my lyrics are saying.


I wonder why LOF, surely having read this comment, hasn't begun calling you out to post them yet? I guess I'll have to take up his torch and do it myself! I'm quite certain a guy like you who has such a way with words, many of them inspired by me, could have written a few noteworthy (such an applicable word here, right?) songs we'd like to see. I'll make you a deal, if you post two songs you've written, you can give me one of the titles of my alleged songs you mentioned in that list that began with Duane's Eyes, Tour Bus Tango, etc., and I'll write and post within 24 hours lyrics for the title you came up with. Seems like a very fair offer to me. As I myself have just learned, the profound lesson in this thread is that there is nothing to fear from people at the OFC (in fact, I'm ashamed of myself for suggesting that haters would savage my lyrics) and posting your lyrics is a great avenue to come out of your protective shell by.
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Posted 2018-03-21 9:22 AM (#541750 - in reply to #541735)
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Love O Fair - 2018-03-20 7:19 PM

Dave.. why, oh why, didn't you post this work on here months ago? Then we wouldn't have been batting you around so much and you could have made us all look bad a long time back! If the rest of your jam group sounds like this, then I can clearly see why they weren't all that interested in the "new stuff" you laid on them. Damn Texans.. I know how you are. What I am hearing here is flavored so incredibly traditional, especially with such wide room on the environment values. Your voice isn't bad.. it's just distinct to the style. Nothing wrong with that, bronchitis and all. Thanks for the posts. See you at the Grammys.


Because months ago this work didn't exist. It's only been in the last 7 weeks or so that the old guy who runs the Friday jam began suggesting we come up with original material to replace the repertoire of ancient country gold we played endlessly, over and over.

Also, it's only been recently that I watched an old video of Paul McCartney describe his songwriting process and decided to give it a try. In it he said something to the effect of words and phrases swirl around us in the ether we exist in on a constant basis. All you have to do is open your mind to be able to grasp enough of them to write a song (at that point in the video he was actually raising an arm and appearing to grasp something above his head out of the air). My experience with that process has been that while I am indeed composing things that seem to come from outside the core of who I am, there is a lengthy editing process involved once the task of setting the words to music takes place. And sometimes I just chuck the whole first write and replace it with my own version.

As for being "flavored so incredibly traditional", that's by direct intent. I always say I'm trying to come up with songs someone forgot to write 50 years ago. You also aren't the first person to comment that my voice isn't that bad and seems suited to the material I'm doing. While I wholeheartedly disagree with all of you on that, I'm stuck with my voice. Fortunately, because of the music community I've discovered lately near me, I now know the right people to take into the recording studio to sing on my demos as soon as my friend has his new equipment set up in place. I have a mic and amp out in my signpainting studio and have found a great setting on the amp and a level of a certain effects processor that renders my voice into something beyond what it actually is. I could record my own demos like that I guess, but the thing there is I have no desire to be a singer/songwriter, even though that is about the only way left to actually earn a decent living from music. Now, if I COULD sing like Darkbar, I'd have a different perspective on that.

As for the Grammys, I have absolute zero aspirations for that level of recognition, actually for any recognition. The occasional "hey, you're a great lyricist" doesn't sit well with me either. I find constructive criticism about as applicable to what I do as critical criticism. I ignore both of them. It's a lesson I learned when my dad brutally mocked me as a child with his parenting fail which, by the way, I steadfastly learned from and never once directed at any of my three offspring who are all married adults in successful careers with spouses who also have successful careers. While their dad is a broken down signpainter whose trade was replaced by computer technology in 1982 and now whiles away his supposed golden years lamenting that he never learned to play guitar better.
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Posted 2018-03-21 3:19 PM (#541766 - in reply to #541433)
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@DaveKell - "I wonder why LOF, surely having read this comment, hasn't begun calling you out to post them yet?"

I can answer that myself. It's because Darkbar has a huge pile of well-thought-out material online that.. what?.. a few million people have hit on. His genre of skill is obvious.. whereas yours, at the point of that comment, were only explanatories of typed verbiage. Darkbar has never said that his lyrical composition work was anything spectacular.. or.. "as good as it gets". To the contrary, actually. So that's why I never "called him out".

Now, if you would like to call ME out for calling YOU out.. that's another thing. Bring it. I will take your challenge if Darkbar doesn't want it.

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Love O Fair - 2018-03-21 3:19 PM

@DaveKell - "I wonder why LOF, surely having read this comment, hasn't begun calling you out to post them yet?"

I can answer that myself. It's because Darkbar has a huge pile of well-thought-out material online that.. what?.. a few million people have hit on. His genre of skill is obvious.. whereas yours, at the point of that comment, were only explanatories of typed verbiage. Darkbar has never said that his lyrical composition work was anything spectacular.. or.. "as good as it gets". To the contrary, actually. So that's why I never "called him out".

Now, if you would like to call ME out for calling YOU out.. that's another thing. Bring it. I will take your challenge if Darkbar doesn't want it.


All this is true, but I don't think I saw any original material on his site. If I'm mistaken, please set me straight right away. Actually, all he said about original material was "Songwriting is indeed quite difficult. I've only written a few that I would ever even consider letting others read or hear, and even then I would be ready and prepared to be laughed at. That said, I CARE too much about what my lyrics are saying." Kinda sounds to me like he hasn't posted any original material, no? You constantly want to overlook the fact that it was not I who said my lyrics were "as good as it gets", that came from a guy who has been performing since I was 7 or 8 years old. My repeating it in no way set in stone any agreement with his assessment. I repeated it to set in stone my astonishment at his assessment. Believe it or not, I'd never say anything like that about myself, let alone allow myself to believe it. As for calling you out, go for it if you wish. My offer was to Darkbar to write lyrics to the title of his choosing from the list he already ascribed to me. It was a tongue in cheek offer, as most of his and my interactions are. At least, that's how I view them. Actually, I'd like to see lyrics/recordings from as many people here as are willing. However, I'm not willing to begin writing from song titles given to me as a quid pro quo from others who want to participate. Only from Darkbar's list, ya know, that tongue in cheek thing (what exactly does that expression really mean?). Also, there is that fact that you never ascribed any fictitious titles to me, so it's too late for the offer to transfer to you. Hope you understand.
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Posted 2018-03-21 5:22 PM (#541769 - in reply to #541433)
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Well, hell, Dave. I kinda thought we were done splitting hairs and jousting blows on here and ready to move on to some actual songwriting grind. Maybe not. By all means, continue. And yes, I understand that you and Darkbar's sparing far precedes anything I dove into with you here. Understood. I've read it. And no, I don't know if he has any original work on his site.. so that's why I used the term "genre" in my comment since he is on there to teach, not compose, and he does a great job at it. Fair enough? Personally, I'm done with the sophomoric he-said-he-said stuff. This ain't Twitter. Fun for a while.. but sometimes the greatest of spirits rise from the ashes of initial conflict and I am hoping for that. Peace out. If y'all are up for that, then let's get on down to the art of the matter. Let me know. Until then I shall stand aside as an observer (maybe).
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Posted 2018-03-21 5:35 PM (#541770 - in reply to #541769)
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Love O Fair - 2018-03-21 5:22 PM

Well, hell, Dave. I kinda thought we were done splitting hairs and jousting blows on here and ready to move on to some actual songwriting grind. Maybe not. By all means, continue. And yes, I understand that you and Darkbar's sparing far precedes anything I dove into with you here. Understood. I've read it. And no, I don't know if he has any original work on his site.. so that's why I used the term "genre" in my comment since he is on there to teach, not compose, and he does a great job at it. Fair enough? Personally, I'm done with the sophomoric he-said-he-said stuff. This ain't Twitter. Fun for a while.. but sometimes the greatest of spirits rise from the ashes of initial conflict and I am hoping for that. Peace out. If y'all are up for that, then let's get on down to the art of the matter. Let me know. Until then I shall stand aside as an observer (maybe).


Works well enough for me. "he is on there to teach" and does an excellent job of it as well. Maybe I could get him to expand into singing lessons? Kum ba ya. I'm in.
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Posted 2018-03-21 5:52 PM (#541771 - in reply to #541433)
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@DaveKell - "I'm in"

In how? Tell ya what.. if you would like to make a fresh new thread on the General Posting category titled "Songwriting", and post your lyrics or links on there (same ones as before if you want), then I'll see you over there and will gladly participate. I bet Darkbar will even be nice (maybe). Good?




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Posted 2018-03-21 6:14 PM (#541772 - in reply to #541771)
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Love O Fair - 2018-03-21 5:52 PM

@DaveKell - "I'm in"

In how? Tell ya what.. if you would like to make a fresh new thread on the General Posting category titled "Songwriting", and post your lyrics or links on there (same ones as before if you want), then I'll see you over there and will gladly participate. I bet Darkbar will even be nice (maybe). Good?




Sounds great to me. I'll get on it tomorrow sometime. First I have to do a ton of practice on two new songs I wrote for this Fridays jam session. I'll make time to post some other lyrics with the caveat that I'm open to suggestions on wording changes, sort of a digital age cowriting gig. Sounds like a rewarding pursuit that could generate a lot of interest.

At my jam, usually attended by 15-20 people, only one other guy opted to take on the challenge of introducing original material. So far, he has cowritten one song with me I'll post first as soon as I can. We're finding a great deal of reluctance to get anyone else to participate. Hopefully that won't be the case on here. Can't wait to see.
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Posted 2018-03-21 7:21 PM (#541776 - in reply to #541433)
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Ok... a sorta dumb song I wrote for my 20th high school reunion about a bar me and my friends used to hang out in


Charlie Went And Sold The A-Frame

I took off for a drive last week to see my old home town
Crossed the bridge to A1A and took a drive around
The place still looked the same
Not a hell of a lot has changed
But they closed my favorite bar
the old A-Frame, and that’s a shame.

The A Frame Inn was a roadside bar along the beach
A run down wooden juke-joint, nothing much to see
A horseshoe bar with cold bud draft
Quarter pool in the room out back
A smoky honky-tonk, and that’s a fact


Fifty cents for a cold beer and 2 bucks for a shot
A quarter for the jukebox, and the rockin’ never stopped
A wet beef sandwich, a side of fries
Shoot some pool with the local guys
Man, I sure do miss those days


The waves still rise and fall upon the shore
And A1A flies by just like before
Life moves on but it just don’t seem the same
Since Charlie went and sold the A-Frame


I still remember the songs the jukebox used to play
“Radar Love”, “China Grove”, and “Rocky Mountain Way”
Maybe Willie’s sad refrain
“Blue Eyes Crying In the Rain”
Man those songs can take me back again

I guess what made the A-Frame special doesn’t sound like much
Just another small town bar, but maybe that’s enough
A place where you could always go
To hang out with the friends you know
Just kick back and take it slow

It may sound crazy, but I miss that place
All the good time memories and every long lost face
Life moves on but it just don’t seem the same
Since Charlie went and sold the A-Frame

I don’t know why I took the news so hard
When I heard that someone bought the A-Frame Bar
Now it’s been replaced, they turned it into a seafood place
For a different crowd, with different tastes

Sometimes I find myself just wishing for those days
But “you can’t go home again”, I know that’s what they say
The good times come and go
Small towns change and friends grow old
and life moves on, but it’s still a shame
That Charlie went and sold the A Frame
Charlie went and sold the A Frame

Words & Music: R. Glisson


Edited by Darkbar 2018-03-21 7:23 PM
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DaveKell
Posted 2018-03-21 7:30 PM (#541777 - in reply to #541433)
Subject: Re: Kerrville Emerging Songwriters Competition


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Impressive to say the least. Makes mew long for the place as well. Tomorrow I'll post one I wrote about the beer joint the old Tele picker who runs the jam used to own on Fort Worth's infamous Jacksboro Highway, yeah, that one that John Mayhall wrote a song about. It's a Texas two step beat I might get brave enough to post the raw recording of as well. I like this DB.
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Jonmark Stone
Posted 2018-03-21 8:02 PM (#541778 - in reply to #541771)
Subject: Re: Kerrville Emerging Songwriters Competition


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Nice, DB.
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nerdydave
Posted 2018-03-21 10:40 PM (#541782 - in reply to #541433)
Subject: Re: Kerrville Emerging Songwriters Competition


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Me all I ever wrote was "I'll Never Forget Old What's Her Name".
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nerdydave
Posted 2018-03-21 10:41 PM (#541783 - in reply to #541433)
Subject: Re: Kerrville Emerging Songwriters Competition


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Well maybe that's not quite true. I also co-wrote "Why Did Ya Believe Me When I Told Ya That I Loved Ya When Ya Know I've Been A Liar All My Life?"
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Darkbar
Posted 2018-03-22 5:52 AM (#541784 - in reply to #541778)
Subject: Re: Kerrville Emerging Songwriters Competition



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Jonmark Stone - 2018-03-21 9:02 PM

Nice, DB.


THAT actually means something, coming from you. Thanks.




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