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Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4226
Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | I realize I have some very nice and unusual Ovations to play with, but my sentimental favorite will always be my trusty 12-string Custom Balladeer that I bought new in 1987. It has been through my entire adult life with me, and has enough memory played into it that I consider it irreplaceable. So imagine my disappointement when its pre-amp started to give out. Finding a replacement Fet-3 turned out to be prettty much impossible, and I eventually contacted John Budny for an Op-Pro. But as many of you know, the "kidney can" does not sit in the same place as the old rectagnle-style boxes from the 80's and 90's, so I had a bit of a challenge ahead. So here is the process for your perusal. Some of my ideas worked perfectly, some not so much. But in the end, it all worked out. There are quite a few pictures, so I'll spread them over several posts. First, I needed a model to make a template. So here are the two guinea pigs; my 1755 and my 1718-X Koa Elite (which has the Op-pro already). Taking a look at the factory installation of the Op-Pro in the Elite gives me some direction on which way to go later with the Custom Balladeer. So I removed the Op-Pro from the Elite and used painters tape to make a template for cutting the hole on the Balladeer. The tape will use the edge of the top and the heel of the neck as reference points. And finally, I take out the old Fet-3. |
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Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4226
Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Now comes what I thought would be the scariest part. (I was mistaken.) Still, I had a definite case of nerves as I took out the Dremmel to cut a large hole in my baby! I used my tape template to place a rubber guide and trace the hole to cut. As it turns out, the rubber piece was superfluous for my intentions, so I jsut traced the inside of the tape template instead. (I also forgot to take a picture of it when it was in place. Sorry. Here is the rough cut and the first edge cleaning of the new hole. With this test fit, you can now see what would turn out to be the bane of my existence...er...what turned out to be the hardest challenge of the project; how to fill the hole. I actually thought filling and levelling the hole would be easier than matching the finish. The finish was tough, but the fill had other ideas. |
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Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4226
Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Packrat that I am, I scrounged around and found and old wall/clip mount for a cordless phone. I used this as a pan for the open space in the hole and used screws to fit it after cutting it to size. I also forgot to mention that I yanked the mounting screw for the battery box as well. |
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Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4226
Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | So here's where things went pear-shaped. I've never had any issues filling and sanding wood before, so I naively assumed this would not be much different. Since it was a small hole, I actually just used spackle instead of epoxy. I would then use flat black paint in layers until the seam dissapeared. Then I would work on matching the textured finish. I never made it to steps 2 and 3 because, for the life of me, I could not get the seam to disappear. FWIW, after these steps, I could have hooked everything up and the instrument would have sounded fine. But...well...you know.... If nothing else, I was proud of the perfect fit when I dropped the new kidney-can in. This was the best I could do...... Me not likey.... |
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Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4226
Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | I spent some time doing research online trying to figure out the best way to go. I went to a variety of shops thinking grandiose thoughts like epoxy and fiberglass fillers. But the truth is, I no longer entirely trusted myself to do it right. I asked John Budny if he could help, and he said of course, but they were WAY backed up and it could be quite a while. Then I remembered something else John said, but many years ago. I was at the factory and we were talking about repairs and he mentioned that "working on Ovations was half luthiery and half auto-body," depending on which part of the guitar you were messing with. Now I have a good relationship with the owner of Vince's Auto Body, who happens to be a pretty good bass player and loves to talk gear whenever I or my wife have needed work done over the years. I also drive by his shop whenever I have to get my kids at school, so it was easy to stop in and see what he thought. He took a quick look at it and said, "No problem, just leave it here. Take out that stuff you put in, and we'll fabricate a metal can and fill it with epoxy. I can finish it for you too. I have to work it in between jobs here though. Can you leave it with me 'til next week? (It helps to read all of the above in a NY accent BTW.) Sure I say. What'll I owe you? "I dunno." he says, "Maybe 20 bucks?" "See you in a week." I say. He calls me the next week and tells me it's ready. So I go by with my kids after school that day. Here's what I found. |
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Joined: October 2012 Posts: 1034
Location: Yokohama, Japan | Ouch... to the west coast for some Savage magic perhaps?
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Location: SoCal | Very cool and with a happy ending to boot!
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Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4226
Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | I showed it to several people all through the holidays, and they have all said that if I hadn't told them to look, they would have never known that the Op-Pro was not original. And now I have a built-in tuner, which is never a bad thing to have on a 12-string guitar. And oh yes, it sounds incredible coming through an amplifier! So here you have the before and after pictures. I even saved the "attitude" sticker my father gave me back in the 80's. ("Sometimes you need to adjust yours." he snarked at the time.) It makes me think of him and of home. BEFORE AFTER And before I finish this, I'd like you all to meet someone: Thanks for the help Joe! |
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Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4226
Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Ah man, I wasn't fast enough. You two got in before I fisnhed the last post! |
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Joined: October 2012 Posts: 1034
Location: Yokohama, Japan | Oh WOW! Now that is a cool story! My heart was breakin' for you Patch! I'm so glad it ended well! Sheesh...so as I read your post prematurely, I kept thinking, "He should post this in the BFLG..." Well, a good warning for guys like me, I'll definitely think twice before I tackle a bowl with my Dremmel! |
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Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4226
Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | One final thing, when I reached for my wallet, Joe shook his hand at me and said, "Don't worry about it. It was fun to do something different."
He's a good guy. |
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2315
Location: Pueblo West, CO | Nice job, Patch.
The trick to patching the finish (no pun intended) is to stipple the paint on with a small piece of terry cloth towel. I use epoxy tinted with dry artist pigment.
The factory uses a spray gun adjusted so it spits out small blobs of paint, but this can be duplicated by hand. |
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Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4226
Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | I was thinking along those lines Dan. But when Joe offered to do it, I figured I would leave it to the experts. A man's got to know his limitations eh? (Which I probably shold have thought of before cutting into my guitar. ) |
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Joined: February 2016 Posts: 1801
Location: When?? | Pleasant ending to a scary beginning. A good body man will consider themselves as an artist first and a mechanic second.. and Joe is clearly one of those.
And Dan... thanks for the tip on the terrycloth and epoxy!
Edited by Love O Fair 2018-01-25 5:10 PM
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Joined: March 2005 Posts: 12755
Location: Boise, Idaho | I love guys like that, whether you call them craftsmen or artisans. And don't anyone dare to call it a gift or talent. That skill comes from a caring person who devotes a lot of time to his craft. (Sorry to sound gender-biased, but I don't know any "body women" at least in this context.)
Edited by Mark in Boise 2018-01-25 5:50 PM
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Joined: January 2011 Posts: 344
Location: Italia, Zianigo di Mirano (Venezia) | I am from Italy. I will not ship my Ovation anywhere. The OP 24 on '87'C works well. if it should have problems it would be easy to fix it. But I'd like to change it with a more modern preamp. The main problem (in addition to prices that have gone crazy lately) . The main problem is the shape, from rectangular to ... bean . Solution : John Budny ... come to Italy ... Venice ... Mirano ... I offer you a fish dinner (if you like it)
Edited by titti 2018-01-26 3:50 PM
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Joined: May 2011 Posts: 755
Location: Muenster/Germany | I know projects like this too well. But now this guitar has become more "YOUR" guitar,or not? |
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Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4226
Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | DetlefMichel - 2018-01-27 7:38 AM I know projects like this too well. But now this guitar has become more "YOUR" guitar,or not? If an instrument can be a friend, then this is the best one I've ever had! It's been through too much with me, and every instrument I own would go before this one did. |
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Joined: December 2004 Posts: 566
Location: Denmark | Congratulations with the succesful upgrade, Patch.
Do anyone have a dysfunctional FET/FET3 they want to part with for the shipping? It could be fun to try to repair it. |
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Joined: February 2013 Posts: 176
Location: Cologne/Germany | Well, Patch has one, I guess |
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Joined: February 2013 Posts: 176
Location: Cologne/Germany | Interesting and well done. Good to know people in the car business....
For a longer period already, I have been anxious what to do when one of the older Ovation preamps (incl. OP-X) gives up... I still don’t know, but I sure know what I am not going to do.... |
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Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4226
Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | tpa - 2018-01-27 8:33 AM Congratulations with the succesful upgrade, Patch. Do anyone have a dysfunctional FET/FET3 they want to part with for the shipping? It could be fun to try to repair it. You can have mine, but I have no idea what shipping to Denmark would run. |
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Joined: December 2003 Posts: 1071
Location: Carle Place, NY | Great outcome to a challenging problem. As for fixing old FET's, does anyone know if they can be converted to a passive piezo? |
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Joined: December 2004 Posts: 566
Location: Denmark | Patch - 2018-01-28 8:03 PM
tpa - 2018-01-27 8:33 AM Congratulations with the succesful upgrade, Patch. Do anyone have a dysfunctional FET/FET3 they want to part with for the shipping? It could be fun to try to repair it. You can have mine, but I have no idea what shipping to Denmark would run.
Thanks - I'll send you a pm.
Edit - I might have been a bit overenthusiastic. I need to find something reasonable transfer. UPS or USPS are quite expensive :-(. It will cost 5 times up what I gave for shipping from Stewart-M or something like 1.5 times what a new OP24+ will cost. I will reconsider.
But thanks anyway, Patch.
Edited by tpa 2018-02-01 2:17 PM
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Joined: September 2005 Posts: 3618
Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | WOW!...Great job Patch!
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Joined: December 2001 Posts: 10582
Location: NJ | I know my limitations..... |
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Joined: March 2014 Posts: 51
Location: Halifax, nova scotia | That looks fantastic! Well done. |
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Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4226
Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Thanks for all the replies guys! I have to admit, as much as I like the result, there's a tiny part of me that looks down and is still surprised that the FET-3 is gone. Musicians are weird... |
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Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4226
Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Ok, I'm resurrecting this thread to pass on something that happened to me two weeks ago with this very guitar. I took it to church with me to lead music, along with a 6-string. I'm mostly set up and pick it up to tune it. So far, the story is pretty innocuous right? Then my middle-aged brain played one of it's increasingly frequent and mildly embarrassing tricks on me. I look in the case pocket, and the Snark tuner isn't there! "What did you do with it?", a wistful voice whispers in my head. (The same voice that I'm beginning to suspect has a distinctly impish sense of humor.....) I was just about to borrow a tuner from a buddy, when the board guy asks me to check my volume level before turning the system on. I look down expecting to see the familiar FET-3 knob and of course notice the new Op-Pro....."WITH ITS BUILT-IN TUNER, STUPID!" (Says the same wistful, impish, and now supremely smug voice.) I hate it when the voice in my head actually has a point..... |
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Joined: February 2016 Posts: 1801
Location: When?? | @Patch - >>>WITH ITS BUILT-IN TUNER, STUPID<<<
Good one, Patch. That's almost as bad as pouring water into a bowl stand on a fake Christmas tree. |
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Joined: August 2009 Posts: 1137
Location: Germany, where delicious wine is growing (Rheinh) | titti - 2018-01-26 10:46 PM
I am from Italy. I will not ship my Ovation anywhere. The OP 24 on '87'C works well. if it should have problems it would be easy to fix it. But I'd like to change it with a more modern preamp. The main problem (in addition to prices that have gone crazy lately) . The main problem is the shape, from rectangular to ... bean . Solution : John Budny ... come to Italy ... Venice ... Mirano ... I offer you a fish dinner (if you like it)
Hi Titti,
you only have to come to Germany (to me). I've done this on all my old Ovations. But you have to go for the parts, which have to get them is very hard now.
Bernie |
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Joined: June 2018 Posts: 9
| Great work
Was the wiring similar for the same pickup for both the Fet3 and OptPro??
Thanks Trev |
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Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4226
Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | TrickieTrev - 2018-06-17 11:53 PM Great work Was the wiring similar for the same pickup for both the Fet3 and OptPro?? Thanks Trev Not exactly, the FET-3 has an external battery box hard-wired into the preamp. The Op-pro has an internal battery. That's why the screw hole for the battery box had to be filled as well. Otherwise, the Op-Pro and the Fet-3 use the same saddle input. |
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