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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I gave a friend one of my older iBook laptops and she has recently used up nearly all the HardDrive. HardDrive upgrades are available, but with the installation of a new OS, she will lose many of the apps like the OfficeSuite and others...
Anybody have a SIMPLE and Elegant solution to clone the old drive so the apps can be transfered back on to the new disc... She's smart, but not particularly well versed in things computer...
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Location: NJ | Yeah, tell her t'use it as a doorstop, and buy a REAL computer . . . |
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Location: NW Washington State | Does the iBook have a USB port? If so, why not just buy an external USB drive and/or a USB flash drive? Move her data files to the external drive(s) and free up space on the internal drive. When she gets a new computer or larger hard disk, the data files will be easily available.
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Location: closely held secret | When you upgrade the OS, you lose all the apps? How silly is that?
Most of the disk cloning software I've used only runs under win. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
When you upgrade the OS, you lose all the apps? How silly is that?
Well, it is an Apple :rolleyes: |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Not the OS, but the hard drive... Of course we don't lose apps when upgrading the OS...
I have always used my "old" computer to transfer the non-bundled applications (MS Office and such) directly to my new computer... I've never tried to move MS Office Suite applications from the old computer, to a external drive... then to the new computer (hard drive)...
I'm looking into Maxtor which is supposed to make an exact copy of the complete the hard drive...
Clifford, might I recommend that you commence auto-erotic coitus... |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | and Stephen, feel free to make it a duet... |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Jeff, SuperDuper and an external USB drive would be my recommendation.
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Location: Munich, Germany | Okay, if I understood that right - she will change the internal hard drive to a bigger one. So, she will start with a fresh, clean drive?
Okay, for a backup she needs an external disk, or an external housing to install the old, smaller disk. Then use "carbon copy cloner" or the Apple own "disk utility program" (sorry, maybe it's called a little bit different in the US, but my Mac speaks german).
By the way, Waskel and Stephen, upgrading the OS doesn't lose anything. Made it more than ten times.
There is even an option called "migration assistent", that let you mirror your old computer to a new one through fire wire with one mouse click. Nothing has to be installed if you choose that way, and the new computer starts up with all data, programs, internet settings like the old one. Can you do this with Mr. Gates' OS?
Jeff, if she doesn't want to buy an external disk for a backup, she could also store everything of the harddrive on DVD's. Don't forget to save all the plists, preferences and so on to not loose mails, settings and so on.
But, if she won't go "that deep", why not let the store who sells her the new harddrive have the old drive cloned and then copy it back on the new drive?
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Location: Central Massachusetts | or send it to me and I'll do it for you |
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Location: Cicero, NY | I guess Maxtor works.
...if you're into that sort of thing. |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Kurt makes a good point, they should be able to move your data for you at the Apple store Genius Bar if you buy the drive from them. |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | flippin server |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | do you notice how polite and helpful Mac folks are...
that's because they are not frustrated and irritable from rebooting their computers five times daily...
Kurt and David, thanks... yes Kurt you nailed it... and David, SuperDuper looks great... and do mean you will change out the hard drive? If so, we can arrange that too! |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Sure, I'm game. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Let's talk. PM impending... |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | impending.....
Is that MacSpeak for the letter "S" |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Originally posted by stephent28:
impending.....
Is that MacSpeak for the letter "S" :D :D |
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Location: Parrish, FL | Excuse me while I reboot.
Props to the helpful folks! |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | "Command F", Stephen |
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Location: closely held secret | Jeff & Kurt, of course I was kidding about upgrading the OS, I've had to do it several times on some Macs at work. Jest giving you a bad time.
What you need (I'm assuming the notebook has a 2.5" drive) is one of these external drive enclosures . If you buy a new, 'in the box' drive, it should come with cloning software or it should be available on the manufacturers site. If not, I'm sure there are hundreds of free programs you can ... no, wait that would be for PCs... I'm sure there are 5 programs you could download that will do it. |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Koenig Kurt:
There is even an option called "migration assistant", that let you mirror your old computer to a new one through fire wire with one mouse click. Nothing has to be installed if you choose that way, and the new computer starts up with all data, programs, internet settings like the old one. Can you do this with Mr. Gates' OS? Yes. |
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Location: Munich, Germany | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Originally posted by Koenig Kurt:
There is even an option called "migration assistant", that let you mirror your old computer to a new one through fire wire with one mouse click. Nothing has to be installed if you choose that way, and the new computer starts up with all data, programs, internet settings like the old one. Can you do this with Mr. Gates' OS? Yes.
The new Macs started up the same as the old one: same wallpaper, programms, data, keywords, settings. Just perfect - without inserting one programm cd after another.
But, to be true, you haven't been honest: You can't do it via Fire Wire ;)
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Koenig Kurt:
But, to be true, you haven't been honest: You can't do it via Fire Wire ;)
Sure I could. File sharing is file sharing, networking is networking. If both of my machines have firewire ports, there's nothing stopping me from moving files over it.
It just works a little differently with win. You load the OS on the new machine, point it at the files and settings transfer files on the old machine and away you go. |
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Location: Munich, Germany | Okay Waskel, you win!
Good to hear that Windows became a little more user friendly in the last years.
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Location: NJ | There's also a company called Carbonite that'll back-up(online) your entire machine ($50 for a one-year subscription).
She could back-up, change out the drive and then restore it. |
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Location: closely held secret | Kurt, don't get me wrong. I kid about Macs a lot, but I have respect for them as computers, more so now that they are running Linux. My gripe has been their proprietary attitude, and that has slowly been changing as well.
The main reason I stick with Windows is simply the sheer volume of software available for it. I do a lot of video and audio stuff (yes, I know Macs do both well). But almost anything I need to do, I can get on the web and find either a free utility or a cheap shareware program for XP.
This is probably the reason Apple has gone to such lengths (intel procs, boot camp) to be able to run Windows on the same machine. I haven't heard anyone clamoring to be able to run OSX under Windows...
Cliff, Carbonite is really for data backup. Even if you backed up the apps it's unlikely the new kernal would recognize them as installed. |
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Location: NJ | Yeah, I knew that.
I must've mis-read it.
I thought she was just trying t'save the data. sorry. carry on . . . |
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Location: closely held secret | Jeff, if it's running Mac OS X 10.3.9 or later, I would say your best bet is to pick up a larger drive, an external firewire enclosure for it, and Superduper (relatively cheap, $27.95), clone the drive, then swap them.
It's not even a complete loss, because if you get a decent enclosure you now have an external drive available for your machine. Or get yourself a bigger external drive and use Superduper to backup your boot drive.
By 'decent' enclosure I mean one with a good cooling fan and airspace around the drive. Those 'designer' enclosures sometimes fit the drive like a glove and seriously shorten the drive's life because of overheating. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I appreciate the input...
I think we have formulated a plan. This is a great board... |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Okay, so I was banging away on a number of different projects tonight, including this little project for Jeff. Took a step back and had to laugh and take this picture:
Left to right: PowerBook G4, iBook G4, Black MacBook, iPhone in front of it, keyboard/video/mouse, iBook G3 w/ external firewire drive attached. Under desk: Linux Server, IBM ThinkPad (corporate, for work at home), and an array of other toys and thingamajiggers. |
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Location: closely held secret | Wow. And I do most everything I need with only one PC... |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | What, no neural interface? |
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Location: Poplar Bluff Mo | You can also use "Carbon Copy Cloner" (freeware) to make an exact copy of yu hard-drive on an external drive or another machine. |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
I haven't heard anyone clamoring to be able to run OSX under Windows... Oh, there ARE a few of us around.
Or, should I say, run OSX on a Windoze machine - not UNDER Windoze.
With an Intel Mac, you can boot Windoze direct (not 'UNDER' OSX) but... why would you want to?? :D |
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OT: Clone Old Hard Drive Before Upgrading??