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Location: Colorado | Owned and played by country music artist Trey Taylor. Trey has indicated he would sign the guitar at the new owner's request. http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Adamas-1581-Ovation-Guitar-Amazing-Condition-Owned-By-Country-Music-Star-/122313810469?hash=item1c7a78a225:g:QqgAAOSw5cNYe9do |
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Location: Colorado | I live in the town where this is located....I would be happy to check it out for others...if you can arrange it with the seller...I already have an Adamas I am happy with...so I don't need another....Given who owns it....in person previews may not be possible. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Those photos of the guitar in the stand are NOT the guitar for sale.
Those photos were taken from Ovation Tribute
The photos of the guy holding the guitar are the guitar.
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Location: Colorado | Old Man Arthur - 2017-01-17 1:26 AM Those photos of the guitar in the stand are NOT the guitar for sale. Those photos were taken from Ovation Tribute The photos of the guy holding the guitar are the guitar. Yes, just as OMA said. He was a big help in figuring out that the guitar in the stand was not the guitar the artist was holding/playing. The selling "agent" explained that they couldn't get photos that did the guitar justice, but didn't want to pay for a professional photographer...hence the Ovation Tribute photos. But I'm still not a fan of sellers using other people's photos without permission or giving photo credit. |
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Location: Texas | That's unfortunate. Why not shoot straight that the pictures are not the guitar for sale.
The ad says it is in "excellent" condition, then says it is in "very good" condition.
I imagine that if it was his road guitar, it is "experienced".
Interesting auction.
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Joined: December 2003 Posts: 846
Location: Canada | There are some other "interesting"/uncommon Adamas on Ebay, and not necessarily well described:
a 1688-9 (not sure what colour that actually is):
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/201782869422?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ss...
and a center hole 6591:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Ovation-Adamas-6-String-Guitar-Model-6591-/1... |
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Location: Jet City | Stolen pics, that's why I'm using watermarks on Red Blanket pictures now.
And who'd want an autograph from that goofy looking dude.... never heard of him. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | I've been emailing with Anne Marie. I told her the pics don't have to be "professional", even phone pics would do if they're done reasonably well. She said she would take some pics of the actual guitar later today and post them. I also told her that I knew someone in town and asked if it would be possible to show the guitar in person. She said that they were currently on the road so seeing it in person would be impossible but if anyone was skeptical, they wouldn't have to bid. I responded that posting pics taken off the internet combined with no previous history on an item that could possibly run a couple of thousand dollars might make most reasonable people skeptical but she's right, I don't have to bid.
And I won't. |
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Joined: September 2006 Posts: 10777
Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | When I first started dealing with eBay back in 2006, you could get a listing shut down for stolen photos. "Stock" photos from the manufacturer are not the same thing if you are selling a New guitar.
But stolen photos would get a listing pulled.
All that needed to be done was to send eBay a link showing where the original photo came from, and the perpetrator's listing would be shut down.
Those days are over.
You can run any deceptive listing that you want now, as long as eBay get their 10%.
You may have a choice not to bid... But intentional deception is still intentional deception.
BTW-- I have also played to crowds of thousands outside of the Moda Center Arena.
I don't know if I would call them "admiring"... But they had to listen.
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Location: moline,illinois | d'ovation - 2017-01-17 9:28 AM
There are some other "interesting"/uncommon Adamas on Ebay, and not necessarily well described:
a 1688-9 (not sure what colour that actually is):
The 1688-9 is listed as brown-burst on the Ovation Tribute site,same color as the one John Denver had,not seen to often it seems so a rarer color I would guess
The seller of the 1581 is being disingenuous using someones elses pictures without listing it as such and asking permission of the actual pictures owner,the comment of "you don't have to bid on it" is crap IMHO and feebay should pull the ad for false advertising.
Edited by 2wheeldrummer 2017-01-17 6:13 PM
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | 2wheeldrummer - 2017-01-17 6:11 PM
d'ovation - 2017-01-17 9:28 AM
There are some other "interesting"/uncommon Adamas on Ebay, and not necessarily well described:
a 1688-9 (not sure what colour that actually is):
The 1688-9 is listed as brown-burst on the Ovation Tribute site,same color as the one John Denver had,not seen to often it seems so a rarer color I would guess.
I would do bodily harm for that -9, I LOVE that color, and it is just like John Denver's, only in much better condition. (And his was selling for $60,000!!!!) But it is not going to happen, so I sure do hope it goes to a great home!
Edited by Nancy 2017-01-17 8:50 PM
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Location: Canada | Nancy - 2017-01-17 8:49 PM I would do bodily harm for that -9, I LOVE that color, and it is just like John Denver's, only in much better condition. (And his was selling for $60,000!!!!) But it is not going to happen, so I sure do hope it goes to a great home! Oh my it is tough seeing all these special O's being available right now. I have been lusting for a 1688 or a U-681 12string too but alas was able to acquire an even more exotic 12 that I was chasing for a long time just in time for xmas so not eligible for another for a while. |
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Joined: February 2016 Posts: 1769
Location: When?? | Strike 1: Stolen/stand-in photos.
Strike 2: Locals can't come and see it because.. uh.. well.. the guitar isn't even here.
Strike 3: No.. zero.. prior Ebay activity for seller's name.
You're OUT!
Next inning..
Strike 1: Selling it because it doesn't agree with the climate/conditions it has been exposed to.
Strike 2: Copy & paste description.. except for a paragraph to drop names (Dolly Parton, Donald Trump)
Strike 3: "Priced to move!"
You're OUT!
Edited by Love O Fair 2017-01-17 9:55 PM
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Joined: September 2006 Posts: 10777
Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | It is BAAACK!
With actual photos this time.
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Joined: February 2016 Posts: 1769
Location: When?? | @Arthur - >>>It is BAAACK! With actual photos this time.<<<
Yep, it sure is.. with a whole new auction, too. The last one ended without notice, days before its original scheduled end date.. *poof*.. gone.. along with the original Q&A as to why it's being sold (see Strike 1 in second inning).
Oh well.. at least the seller is being up front on the fact that they won't accept returns. |
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Location: Texas | My experience is the seller can say "no returns" but if the buyer points out something that was not described right...like "Great Condition" when the frets are worn or there is an issue with the binding, or or or...
Ebay will make them take it back. Of course the buyer is out the shipping back, but that is the risk vs reward(if there is any). So "no returns" means zilch, really, if the auction is not properly described. Ebay, over the years, has become buyer friendly.
Unless your stolen guitar is sold on their website.
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Joined: February 2016 Posts: 1769
Location: When?? | So sorry if I appear to be batting this person around for trying to sell a guitar.. but it's about HOW they are trying to sell it and the HUGE misrepresentations they are making about its owner and its history. Sure, it's a nice guitar.. and I certainly have nothing against the owner for pursuing his career.. but if you'd like to see a video of the guitar in action, click the link below.. and if anyone in the throws of Ebay world who sees the video then does a forehead slap and says, "Oh, THAT Trey Taylor!".. then they should feel free to bid on this guitar for all of its crowds-of-10,000+ fame and its so-called friends of Dolly Parton and Donald Trump admiration history and value.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUtgpl2lf8M
It's been posted since October, but if you hurry now you can be viewer #364.
Edited by Love O Fair 2017-01-18 11:51 AM
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Joined: January 2009 Posts: 1249
Location: Texas | Fair and Balanced .... Trey is really a pretty nice kid and he admires Glen Campbell. Oh...and he is one of the few artists that believes that Ovation is a kick *** guitar and is willing to have it OUT FRONT, not only in concert, but in promo's. Regardless of the crowd size...how many artists are doing that for Ovation today? The kid has a contract and I believe he tours. Living the dream...with Ovation. |
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Joined: February 2016 Posts: 1769
Location: When?? | @Jay - >>>Ebay, over the years, has become buyer friendly. Unless your stolen guitar is sold on their website.<<<
After what our own Sligoman said in his "3 Stolen in Portland" post here the other day, I'm sure he would fully agree with the second line of that! Poor guy. I hear ya on the buyer-friendly part. Ebay has improved in that in terms of tangible things that can be pointed out. Unfortunately, the buyer-friendly part seems to also extend to Sligoman's case as well since the stolen guitar is still in the buyer's hands weeks later with zero, zip help from Ebay on returning their calls from law enforcement.
@Jay - >>>Trey is really a pretty nice kid<<<
Heck yes. I've checked him out and I wish him all the best.. contracts, tours, dreams.. no doubt. I'm just jumping his case for trying to oversell something that is based on the value of a famous career that has not [yet] happened.
Sorry.. I'm just grouchy today. Tired of the daily dupe I guess.
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Location: Canada | jay - 2017-01-18 11:43 AM Fair and Balanced .... Trey is really a pretty nice kid and he admires Glen Campbell. Oh...and he is one of the few artists that believes that Ovation is a kick *** guitar and is willing to have it OUT FRONT, not only in concert, but in promo's. Regardless of the crowd size...how many artists are doing that for Ovation today? The kid has a contract and I believe he tours. Living the dream...with Ovation. The description of the guitar and his bio don't really match. The bio suggests he has one record and he's 18, whereas the guitar ad suggests he's an aging established star with many hit records under his belt who is on friendly terms with certain other celebrities ... and if this is his main guitar, why the heck does he sell it! |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Hey, Taylor Swift played my Painted-T when it was still Red...
(and seemed kinda miffed that I didn't recognize her or her talent)
I don't think Dolly Parton would say anything bad about anyone.
And if Donald Trump is has buddy, maybe he should get a gig at the inauguration.
(nobody else seems in a hurry to play there... must be a non-paying gig)
Let's not pick on the guy... He may be an Ovation endorser one day.
(If he isn't selling that Adamas to buy a Taylor or some crap like a Takamine )
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Location: NW Washington State | Maybe this thread- and the one where the guy got the crappy Craigslist Adamas- are the reason for the rules...
IF THE ITEM ISN'T YOURS, DO NOT POST IT FOR SALE
Some leniance will be provided to list something for a friend, or something you have personally seen, but in general if you do not know the seller or the item, you are not to list it here.
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Joined: February 2016 Posts: 1769
Location: When?? | @numbfingers - >>>IF THE ITEM ISN'T YOURS, DO NOT POST IT FOR SALE<<<
What, and spoil all this fun??
Just kidding. You're right. Very right. Especially since most of us are already scouring through Ebay, Reverb, Craigslist, etc on a daily basis anyway. |
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Location: Colorado | numbfingers - 2017-01-18 2:42 PM Maybe this thread- and the one where the guy got the crappy Craigslist Adamas- are the reason for the rules... IF THE ITEM ISN'T YOURS, DO NOT POST IT FOR SALE Some leniance will be provided to list something for a friend, or something you have personally seen, but in general if you do not know the seller or the item, you are not to list it here. -Steve W. Thanks for the reminder. |
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Location: Colorado | Love O Fair - 2017-01-18 3:25 PM @numbfingers - Especially since most of us are already scouring through Ebay, Reverb, Craigslist, etc on a daily basis anyway. Yep, probably. |
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Joined: January 2006 Posts: 1111
Location: NW Washington State | The problem is that you kids today want your guitars pointed out to you by someone else, then you want them delivered to your door in good condition. When I was young, if I wanted an Adamas, I'd have to walk five miles through the snow, only to find the nearest music store didn't have any. Now behave, or I'll hit your picking hand with the yardstick again!
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Location: Canada | Nancy - 2017-01-17 8:49 PM 2wheeldrummer - 2017-01-17 6:11 PM d'ovation - 2017-01-17 9:28 AM There are some other "interesting"/uncommon Adamas on Ebay, and not necessarily well described: a 1688-9 (not sure what colour that actually is): The 1688-9 is listed as brown-burst on the Ovation Tribute site,same color as the one John Denver had,not seen to often it seems so a rarer color I would guess. I would do bodily harm for that -9, I LOVE that color, and it is just like John Denver's, only in much better condition. (And his was selling for $60,000!!!! ) But it is not going to happen, so I sure do hope it goes to a great home! This auction is almost done with two bidders driving the price into the stratosphere ... anyone from here admitting to this? |
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Location: Jet City | d'ovation - 2017-01-20 10:00 AM This auction is almost done with two bidders driving the price into the stratosphere ... anyone from here admitting to this? ??? It's at $1000. What do you think a 1581 should go for? If I were to put mine up it would be closer to the $2k range. And those are probably his 2 fans |
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Location: Canada | Damon67 - 2017-01-20 12:19 PM d'ovation - 2017-01-20 10:00 AM This auction is almost done with two bidders driving the price into the stratosphere ... anyone from here admitting to this? ??? It's at $1000. What do you think a 1581 should go for? If I were to put mine up it would be closer to the $2k range. And those are probably his 2 fans I referred to the 1688 not the one of the original post. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I have to wonder when someone with 0 ebay experiences ends up as the high bidder on anything. I was in that position a couple of times myself and bought guitars without knowing what I was getting. My learning curve ended at $200, though, not $4750. |
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Location: Colorado | The non-winning bidder didn't do the winning bidder any favors...sold for $4750. But we're talking about a rare 1688 in what may be the rarest color. |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Todd G. - 2017-01-20 1:41 PM
The non-winning bidder didn't do the winning bidder any favors...sold for $4750. But we're talking about a rare 1688 in what may be the rarest color.
Hopefully, it is going to a good home, where it will be appreciated, and at that price it will help drive other prices up for Sellers. Love to see them appreciated, and valued at their worth!
Edited by Nancy 2017-01-20 4:15 PM
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Joined: September 2006 Posts: 10777
Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | As far as the two people bidding on Trey's 1581....
I Finally learned to just bid what I am willing to pay, then wait.
They will send me an email telling me if I have won or lost.
Although I may bit 5 times at once in ever increasing denominations...
Just to confuse other bidders.
I have already decided how much it is worth to me and leave it at that.
I learned that by getting into bidding wars and paying $450 for a $250 guitar.
Edited by Old Man Arthur 2017-01-20 4:41 PM
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Location: Colorado | Old Man Arthur - 2017-01-20 3:39 PM I have already decided how much it is worth to me and leave it at that. I learned that by getting into bidding wars and paying $450 for a $250 guitar. That's the best way to go...I learned the same lesson the hard way. |
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Location: Colorado | The 1581-8 "sold" for $1624, but it has been relisted.
The 1688-9 mentioned earlier in this thread "sold" for $4750, but has also been relisted.
Interesting... |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Looks to me like they didn't like the price that had been bid so they "bought" it back just to relist as a higher BIN price. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | They seem to have higher expectations for their "Owned by Country Music Star" guitar.
$1624 seems like a fair price for a Road Guitar with a crappy description.
Bidding-on and Buying your own stuff on eBay is against the rules.
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Location: Colorado | "Bidding-on and Buying your own stuff on eBay is against the rules."
Agree! By rules, you won that auction with your high bid. |
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Location: moline,illinois | Todd G. - 2017-01-28 7:16 AM
The 1581-8 "sold" for $1624, but it has been relisted.
The 1688-9 mentioned earlier in this thread "sold" for $4750, but has also been relisted.
Interesting...
It looks like the buyer backed out on the 1688-9,
the new ad says please don't bid if you can't afford to pay.
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Joined: September 2003 Posts: 815
Location: Colorado | 2wheeldrummer - 2017-01-28 5:07 PM Todd G. - 2017-01-28 7:16 AM The 1581-8 "sold" for $1624, but it has been relisted. The 1688-9 mentioned earlier in this thread "sold" for $4750, but has also been relisted. Interesting... It looks like the buyer backed out on the 1688-9, the new ad says please don't bid if you can't afford to pay. Seller claims the buyer was trying to secure a loan to pay, but didn't get the money. |
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Location: moline,illinois |
If your going to drive the price up in a bidding war you should have the money to pay for it.
I feel sorry for the seller he thought he got a high price and now has to start over.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | 2WD-- If you are Selling, and the Winning bid backs-out you can/should send a 2nd Chance Offer to the next highest bidder.
But old eBay etiquette seems to have gone away in around 2008.
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Location: Canada | Todd G. - 2017-01-20 1:41 PM The non-winning bidder didn't do the winning bidder any favors...sold for $4750. But we're talking about a rare 1688 in what may be the rarest color. One hour left on the 1688 and still under 3K ... seems the previous non-winning bidder is getting a better deal this time. |
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Location: moline,illinois | Todd G. - 2017-01-28 7:16 AM
The 1581-8 "sold" for $1624, but it has been relisted.
The 1688-9 mentioned earlier in this thread "sold" for $4750, but has also been relisted.
Interesting...
The 1581-8 sold again this time for $1075 wonder if it will appear again???
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Location: Colorado | 2wheeldrummer - 2017-02-07 7:08 PM The 1581-8 sold again this time for $1075 wonder if it will appear again??? I'd be surprised if it didn't. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | It sold to the same person who bought it the last time.
A phony shill bidder.
I understand that they want more than $1K....
But if you want more... Just start the bidding at the price that you want.
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Location: When?? | If you buy something from "yourself" on Ebay, and the sale is completed, don't you still owe Ebay the commission? If so, then why would someone keep buying something from their own self if and keep relisting it if they have to pay each time? That's just plain nutty.
Edited by Love O Fair 2017-02-07 10:15 PM
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Location: moline,illinois | They probably have somebody posing as a buyer but not completing the sale,no funds trade hands no commission to Ebay,just my guess. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | LOF-- What they did the first time is that the shill bidder won to beat the real bidder.
Then they just said that he refused to pay and canceled the sale. No commission, no fees.
Also... I contacted them back then and the seller said that "Trey" bid on the first listing.
That is who bid on this second listing.
By this time, I wouldn't buy anything from them.
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