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Location: Portland, OR | Office broken into last night while power was out. N-769 (Blacktop); '87C #641; 2001C (one holer). May have numbers somewhere. Wanted to put up an alert. John |
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Location: moline,illinois | That is terrible !!!!
I live in the midwest but watch all the sales sites regularly,if you post serial #'s/pics I will watch out for you. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | That sucks.
Go down to the nearest homeless camp with a baseball bat and a can of gasoline.
You will find it quickly.
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Location: Denmark | I think http://www.stolenguitarregistry.com has been mentioned here before. It might be of use. |
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Location: Seattle | that's a lot of packaging to carry off on foot.....
will watch Seattle Area Craigslists
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Not if you have a shopping cart and you are only taking it down the road.
Check Craigslist and local Pawnshops.
Portland Pawnshops are closed on the weekend...
But there are Pawn Shops in Vancouver that are open on Saturday, you can call them now.
Briz Guitar and Pawn, and Lucky Loan Pawn shop are just over the bridge,
walking distance from the #6 bus.
Contact the Portland shops on Monday afternoon...
with model number and your serial numbers...
Photos of you with your guitars helps settle arguments about ownership.
Ask if someone recently pawned an Ovation.
(they really aren't that common)
I hope that you have already called the Police.
And I hope that you recover your property quickly.
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Location: Ontario Canada | WOW all 3 are gems too! that sucks i hope you get them back....i,ll keep my eyes peeled out in Canada. |
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Location: Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA | Hey, sligoman,
There is a local pawnshop just down the street from me here. I'll do like Thunderbolt. What he said.
Mike S.
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Joined: June 2014 Posts: 46
Location: CT | The Mandolin Cafe classifieds has an option to list stolen instruments of all kinds at http://www.mandolincafe.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?add...
Couldn't hurt to post the notice there and sometimes they will post stolen instrument notices on their home page. Hope you have success getting them back. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | Can you post stolen item alerts on Craigslist?
Just a thought.... |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I'll be on the lookout here in Idaho, that's what good neighbor's are for! |
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Location: Texas | Damn! That is too bad. I have sent you a PM... 1. File a police report. Get to personally know the dectective that is assigned to your case. Now you have a lot of work ahead of you... Check Craigslist daily Check Ebay daily...good deals go quick... you say that burglars dont take the time to sell on ebay...RIGHT! Most burglars are in it for quick $ to buy drugs...they sell to middlemen. But smart middlemen know you are looking also because these guitars are not your run of the mill POS's. Because they are successful, they typically will dump outside your community. So, dont limit yourself to your city. Take a sheet with pictures, description and serial of each guitar to pawn shops. Get to know the owner, not his hired help. Good ol boy him so that he will take the time to get some video and ID if the bad guys come in. Music Stores, incl GC. Find the guy in there that buys used instruments. Few employees have clearance to buy used instruments.
Facebook...most communities have a BUY SELL TRADE...dont limit yourself to local. Good luck...the more folks you can get involved with this, the better, right out of the gate. Continue posting with musician associated social networking sites that have members locally and within 500 or so miles of your community. PICTURES! People remember pictures better than names, descriptions. |
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Joined: September 2011 Posts: 402
Location: New Hartford CT | sligoman - 2016-12-10 4:27 PM Office broken into last night while power was out. N-769 (Blacktop); '87C #641; 2001C (one holer). May have numbers somewhere. Wanted to put up an alert. John The OFC helped me recover 2 stolen Ovations back in 2011; you've done well to post the theft here. My blood boils just thinking about your guitars being stolen! This is a community that may be able to help. The inormation you have provided is a place to start. We will keep our eyes peeled. In my case the thieves listed one of the guitars on craigslist. An OFC'er called me and alerted me to the listing. From there I was eventually able to recover them but it was a long process. DO NOT count on law enforcement to handle this. Run your own investigation; the police just have bigger fish to fry. Craigslist, ebay and speading the word on the internet are where you need to focus on. Good luck. |
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Joined: June 2014 Posts: 46
Location: CT | One other site that might be worth checking is this one:
http://www.searchtempest.com
It potentially searches all Craig's lists within a geographic distance that you select based on the item description. You might want to just list "Ovation Guitar" in order to cast a wider net as the thieves may not be sophisticated to list specific models. It will also bring up EBay listings and you can tweak the search based on how you want results to be presented. |
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Location: Texas | George, I am not sure it is bigger fish. Hard times, high unemployment, a growing substance abuse population have all contributed to a theft epidemic that is bigger than local LE resources can address. But, you are right in that "DO NOT count on law enforcement to handle this." That could lead to lost time, that is critical. In the last 2-3 weeks, we had a rash (20-30) of burg MV happen. We were able to id and arrest all 6 that were involved. Sadly, the # of victims that will receive their property back will be in the single digits. That is how quick they reduce stolen goods for cash or drugs. Bigger communities, though, are just overwhelmed with the #’s…and they just hope they can catch one, that will domino to other related cases. A good search engine, that I use, for Craigslist is http://www.adhuntr.com/ and there are a couple others. Here is one that offers search parameters http://www.zoomthelist.com/
Edited by jay 2016-12-11 2:39 PM
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Location: Portland, OR | Thanks for the input. The 87C is #641 and the N769 (black) is #453108. Still looking for the redwood No. Thanks again! John |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | I am so very sorry Sligoman!!
I hope that you will be able to recover them all, and like the others, will keep an eye out for them for you!! |
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Joined: October 2007 Posts: 283
Location: Portland, OR | Found the original listing on the '01C (FR). It was listed as: RARE CENTER SOUNDHOLE #394 |
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Joined: October 2007 Posts: 283
Location: Portland, OR | Found the N769 sold on ebay on 12/11, 2 days after stolen. Here's the link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ovation-Custom-Legend-1992-Acoustic-Electri...
If anyone here saw this please know that it is stolen. Thanks. John |
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Location: Canada | That is just nasty. Can eBay do anything about that like recover the payment and intercept the shipping and release the information of the seller to police? |
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Location: Denmark | Tell ebay that the guitar was stolen. |
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Location: Colorado | As tpa suggested, tell ebay immediately. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Tell eBay and the Portland Police.
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Joined: October 2007 Posts: 283
Location: Portland, OR | I have done both. I have informed the seller as well. Maybe not so smart but I wanted to prevent the redwood and the 87C from being sold too. We'll see what happens. Thanks for your thoughts. John |
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Joined: April 2014 Posts: 103
Location: Ontario Canada | i just messaged the seller from the completed listing and said "3 were stolen where are the other 2? " |
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Joined: October 2007 Posts: 283
Location: Portland, OR | Ebay is no help unless they are contacted by a police agency. Police not that interested. Frustrating since I found the N769 sold on ebay on the 11th. No sign of the other two. Thanks for your help. |
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Joined: September 2006 Posts: 10777
Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Buy something from that seller who sold your N769...
Ask for Local pickup. Bring a bunch of friends.
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Joined: February 2016 Posts: 1802
Location: When?? | Serious?? It was your particular stolen one that was sold on Ebay?? If so, I would ride the local police department daily like a wet horse in a hurricane until they did their job. They have ZERO excuse for being indifferent about it, none, especially with an electronic trail to follow to an IP address and ISP account that can lead to a virtual slew of other stolen property aside from yours.
Oh and (edit) they can even more easily track it to the person who bought it.. knock-knock-knock.. and put it back into your hands.
Edited by Love O Fair 2016-12-23 5:58 PM
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Joined: February 2016 Posts: 1802
Location: When?? | Or, yes, you can go with Arthur's method. I'm so mad right now that I wish I was in Portland to take part. |
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Location: moline,illinois | If you know who sold it and you filed an insurance claim tell the insurance investigators so they can light a fire under the police department to get the info from ebay,depending on how far you want to go you could hire a private detective to look into the ebay seller if they bought one stolen guitar who knows what other stuff they've bought,there is also the question if the stolen item was shipped across state lines or used the USPS then they violated federal law not sure if you could get anybody to pursue it but find out the real name and address of the seller and go after them to find out who stole it.
I do like OMA's suggestion find the seller,show up with a bunch of big friends and get what you need.
Edited by 2wheeldrummer 2016-12-23 6:13 PM
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Joined: January 2009 Posts: 1249
Location: Texas | "show up with a bunch of big friends and get what you need" That’s a great idea. Talk to Mike Tyson on how well it worked out for him...there can be leftovers of a desert best served cold ..they know where you and your loved ones live. If it gets bloody enough, you might even get featured on Law and Order. "Police not that interested." Well, that means they are interested...what are they dragging their feet on? Have you asked the officer that is assigned why they will not contact ebay? If you feel the assigned officer is not actively pursuing the lead, then talk to the Chief or Asst Chief and ask them to explain to you why they are "not that interested". Do not mess with an immediate supervisor, or even a Lt. They are not removed far enough from street work. Then go to the news and explain your story and lack of interest by LE. Take pictures of the guitars. See if they are interested in interviewing the police to find out why they are "not that interested". You may get a little more cooperation then... just don’t drive over the speed limit and get rid of that stash in your nightstand drawer. Law enforcement are public servants. They are they only to protect and serve the folks that pay their wages. They should be as loyal to you as your dog. Of course that is theoretical babble...but they should be interested in a solid lead. You deserve an explanation as to why they are not. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Okay... Call Kyle Iboshi.
https://www.facebook.com/KyleIboshiKGWTV/
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Location: Portland, OR | Ebay has yet to respond to the detective in charge. Grrrrr! |
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Location: When?? | Kind of makes you feel like Ebay is all part of the fencing operation by proxy and they really don't care that they are as long as the commissions are paid. At that point detectives can easily be stalled off or passed around until they are dizzy and move on to other cases while the thugs move on to other merchandise. A convenient cycle, isn't it? Typical of these days. The new normal. Heck, we may as all just go ahead and get into the thief business. Seems to be quite lucrative and safe. Either that or make me King of the World. I will fix most of it by this time next week... and it won't be pretty for the thugs. |
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Joined: January 2009 Posts: 1249
Location: Texas | Have you seen this? http://pages.ebay.com/securitycenter/LawEnforcementCenter.html Are you sure your guy followed: https://lers.corp.ebay.com/AIP/portal/home.do?localechanged=yes&locale=en-ROW Ebay is like many too big to fail entities. If you do not do it, EXACTLY the way they prescribe, they will give it 0 attention.
Edited by jay 2017-01-16 8:45 PM
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | jay - 2017-01-16 6:44 PM
Have you seen this? http://pages.ebay.com/securitycenter/LawEnforcementCenter.html Are you sure your guy followed: https://lers.corp.ebay.com/AIP/portal/home.do?localechanged=yes&locale=en-ROW Ebay is like many too big to fail entities. If you do not do it, EXACTLY the way they prescribe, they will give it 0 attention.
Ditto, this is their protection and yours. eBay wants no part of being in a lawsuit for stolen merch, but it also requires following their contact rules to a 'T'.
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Location: NW Montucky | Late to the party on this and I'm certainly no expert, but since the stolen guitar was sold and shipped, presumably it was across state lines? If so you may be able to get another (Federal) agency involved? I don't know if the sale amount would matter or not, or honestly, if this is really even a possibility. Just throwing it out there as something to consider. Best of luck. |
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Location: Portland, OR | Took 3 months but ebay finally divulged the id of the seller who was using her father's ebay account. Buyer is out of the country, but the police detective said he is cooperating. The drama continues. |
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Joined: September 2006 Posts: 10777
Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | The "Seller"... goodstuff123... is obviously a fence and should be prosecuted.
The stuff was stolen in Portland and sold by a fence in Portland.
A quick look at his "sold" listings shows that he is selling stolen goods.
(where else do you get "NEW" coats and handbags and electric toothbrushes and testing equipment)
Should not matter that the seller's daughter did it.
He can look at his own site and see what is listed.
Ignorance of the Law is not a Defense.
Best of Luck in your Search for Justice.
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Location: Portland, OR | Detective was going to give to DA. Pretty good case against someone. Photo on auction shows the serial number. Doesn't prove who broke in and took them. No sign of the other two. |
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Location: Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA | Hi, Sligoman,
Even though I live in CANADA, I do know that OMA's method of doing things does work, when it has to, because, to quote my late Dad, "Nice don't work for some people!" About 10 years ago, I had 2 care givers, being 2 twin brothers, and both were ex-bikers. ( Yes, the One-Percent kind! THEY EACH HAD A 9th DAN/DEGREE BLACK BELT IN KARATE.) They advocated for me, when my home care was discontinued with them at the time, legally of course. They both were married, and had kids, by that time; but after they both successfully got my home care service re-instated, they told me," If anybody ever bothers you, from now on, for whatever reason, you call us, we'll fix it!" I never had to call them, but, yes, I still do know where to reach them, and they could still make life very uncomfortable for anyone who chooses to bother me. "I GOT FRIENDS IN LOW PLACES." I grew up on a farm, so, yes, I know how to use a gun, too. I had to let my licence expire, because as I said, this is CANADA, and so I can't use one here in the city, of course, eh? One of my uncles always said, "A lead earring would look good on that one." "That one", being a pest of some kind he would need to permanently get rid of his farm. I would not want to be in the shoes of the!@#$%^& thief who stole your stuff when the time comes, that's for sure.
Mike S.
Ottawa, ON.,
CANADA
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Location: Texas | "Pretty good case against someone" "Detective was going to give to DA" A couple of things... It better not be "someone". I hope he actually has a suspect and some decent PC that he can tie to that person or the DA will refuse for lack of evidence. You actually have to show that the person that sold the item(s) knew they were stolen. In Texas, which I would assume isn't much different than anywhere else and maybe a little more redneck than a lot...for an offense to occur (that is prosecutable): the property must be received; (you have this one, by all accounts on the eBay seller, unknown on the buyer) the property must have been previously stolen; (You have this one by all accounts, across the board) the person receiving the property must know it was stolen; and (This is the kicker and proving they KNEW it was stolen is the key. This is the hardest part of an investigation.) the person receiving the property must intend to deprive the owner of the property. (This one is easy if you can nail #3. Otherwise, this one is hard to get, if #3 is elusive) It doesn't appear he is going to wait until he can tie the stolen merch back to the seller, if the person who bought it is "cooperating", but not around. If the buyer is adept at this, he is going to say, yes, I did buy them and have since sold them to someone who paid cash and met me at the roadside park. AND, I had no idea they were stolen. Pretty common. I think the only cooperation at this juncture, that you care about is getting your Ovation's back. If the detective has actually spoken with the buyer...the first question is..."are you still in possession", regardless of his physical location. Your LE contact should have this info. Good Luck... |
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Location: Nashville TN. | Suxs I hope you get them back. |
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Location: Portland, OR | Redwood found in a pawnshop. 87C still on the run. |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Progress! Hopefully it's still in good shape? |
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Location: Texas | Wow...tell us how it was located, this late in the game, and the circumstances surrounding it, if you know... I think Moody has your 87C. |
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Location: Portland, OR | It was located by me on Craigslist. The detective scratched his head and said he couldn't figure out how their computer system missed it. Actually one of the pics was the inside label with the number on it. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | They weren't actually stupid enough to list it on a local CL, were they? I mean, most of these people aren't testing the upper bar of the IQ scores anyway but I'm glad you saw it.
...and jay is right...look hard at Moody for the 87C...HARD... |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I wonder when they last checked their computer system. |
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Location: Texas | I am not sure how your guitar was secured from Mr. Craigslist, but hopefully, there was not a direct link between Mr. C. and your theft or else the 87c may have been under his bed. Possessing stolen property is enough PC to request and secure a search warrant for the house, for other stolen items. |
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Joined: October 2005 Posts: 4044
Location: Utah | sligoman - 2017-06-26 2:22 PM
It was located by me on Craigslist. The detective scratched his head and said he couldn't figure out how their computer system missed it. Actually one of the pics was the inside label with the number on it.
There is a total disconnect here between the police and their computer system regarding pawn shops. I suspect the same is true for Craigs List and our equivalent KSL classifieds. I guess instrument and other thefts are just not important enough for the police to follow up on. The pawn shops are required to notify the police of everything they take in and are required to get photocopies of the person's ID, but the data sits on a cold disk somewhere doing no good.
I'm glad you were watching for it yourself, and I hope the thieves are caught. |
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Joined: February 2016 Posts: 1802
Location: When?? | @slingoman - "The detective scratched his head and said he couldn't figure out how their computer system missed it."
Maybe because someone stole their computer system and they are waiting to see if it will find itself. |
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