|
|
Joined:
August 2002
Posts: 398
Location: So. Cal. | $15K obo ... bank wire only, overnight shipping CONUS included!
A few friendly reminders:
. email only, please (you can find me if you really want to)
. tell me how much, but don't ask me how much
. if you are ready to purchase, you would have known everything about this guitar; if you don't, then spend some time and do all the research you want online first
. there is less than once in a lifetime chance to own one, play it and experience the joy ... i can't put it in words
simple, cheers!
p.s. tony, take yours out and play some more!
|
|
| |
|
Joined:
June 2002
Posts: 6192
Location: Phoenix AZ | Wow, these don't change hands often ... indeed a less than once in a lifetime opportunity
Good luck and congrats to whoever ends up with this one. |
|
| |
|
Joined:
December 2005
Posts: 1234
Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | Sigh... :-(
|
|
| |
|
Joined:
December 2014
Posts: 1713
Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | HOLY BUCKETS!!!
This will probably be the only time in my lifetime that I see one of these come up for sale!
Congratulations to the Proud New Owner!  |
|
| |
|
Joined:
December 2005
Posts: 1234
Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | I remember a magical night and getting the chance to play on that gem...
 (Southcali.jpg)
Attachments
----------------
 Southcali.jpg (68KB - 2 downloads)
|
|
| |
|
Joined:
March 2002
Posts: 15654
Location: SoCal | Boy, that takes me back....
|
|
| |
|
Joined:
June 2002
Posts: 6192
Location: Phoenix AZ | Amazing that 15 years ago a rare holy grail coming up for sale would have sparked 100's on replies, offers, pleading, begging, dreaming ...
I took out #42 yesterday and played for awhile. Sad that so few people have ever (and will ever) experience just how good these really are. You just can't put into words how much better these are than any other Adamas known to man. The reissues were close and had all the ingredients. But in the end the fact is that you just can't replicate mojo.
Mojo is rare. Mojo is expensive. Mojo is in the DNA, it's either there at birth or it isn't. I can't describe what Mojo is, but I know when it's missing and as good as Ovation/Adamas instruments are, there's not a damn one of them that has the Mojo of the original Slotheads. And I doubt we'll ever see it again. |
|
| |
|
Joined:
December 2001
Posts: 10581
Location: NJ | totally agree |
|
| |
|
Joined:
December 2005
Posts: 1234
Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | Terrible thing is, last time I remember one of the originals going on the market, I could actually afford it...sucks how time's have changed.
Edited by Tim in Tidewater 2016-11-07 3:26 PM
|
|
| |
|
Joined:
December 2003
Posts: 846
Location: Canada | Have they gone up in demand/value or have disposable incomes gone down? |
|
| |
|
Joined:
September 2006
Posts: 10777
Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Disposable income has gone down. 
|
|
| |
|
Joined:
April 2004
Posts: 13303
Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | And they have gone up in value. |
|
| |
|
Joined:
June 2002
Posts: 6192
Location: Phoenix AZ | The very first one I saw change hands on this board back in 2002 went for $4500. Last ones I think were 12-ish. I'd say that's not too bad. |
|
| |
|
Joined:
March 2002
Posts: 14842
Location: NJ | Mine(#54) sold in 1978(from a Dealer) for $2,400. I acquired it (in th'Early90's) for $3K. |
|
| |
|
Joined:
December 2003
Posts: 13983
Location: Upper Left USA | Using a CPI calculator with Cliff's example above the 1978 $2,400.00 translates to 2016 $8,886.92 but there is a lot more to the formula.
There are a finite number available and most of those are tied up with famous Artists and will enter the "OMG" value category.
These are historical and high quality so it comes down to the pain threshold of the seller and the Buyer.
I'm pretty sure Damon hasn't had a full night's in a while... |
|
| |
|
Joined:
December 2003
Posts: 13983
Location: Upper Left USA | For those of us that know we don't have the funds...
http://www.ovationtribute.com/Adamas_Slotheads/Adamas_Original_Slot...
|
|
| |
|
Joined:
September 2006
Posts: 10777
Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I did get to play a Slothead at Damon's PNW Gathering.
And compare it with other Adamii and Ovations.
So I do know what I am missing.
Wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.
(the little Alt-code music notes didn't come-out )
Edited by Old Man Arthur 2016-11-08 2:00 PM
|
|
| |
|
Joined:
January 2009
Posts: 1249
Location: Texas | I'm assuming the bridge was hand carved...any idea how long it would take to carve the bridge? |
|
| |
|
Joined:
December 2001
Posts: 10581
Location: NJ | well first you program the cnc machine....
then you put in the bridge blank.....
then you push the button..... |
|
| |
|
Joined:
March 2002
Posts: 15654
Location: SoCal | Where's the "like" button regarding what AL said...... |
|
| |
|
Joined:
March 2002
Posts: 14842
Location: NJ | I MAY be Wrong, but I don't think th'Originals were done on a CNC . . . |
|
| |
|
Joined:
December 2014
Posts: 1713
Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota |
Thank You MWoody!!! That is truly a Work of Art!! |
|
| |
|
Joined:
January 2009
Posts: 1249
Location: Texas | Where's the "like" button regarding what Cliff said...... |
|
| |
|
Joined:
April 2003
Posts: 557
Location: Burbank | Hence the term, "hand carved". |
|
| |
|
Joined:
August 2003
Posts: 4619
Location: SoCal | As to MOJO and a unique experience, I agree...
Edited by Tony Calman 2016-11-09 10:11 PM
|
|
| |
|
Joined:
January 2006
Posts: 5881
Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Stunning photos, and a very strong vibrometer measurement. That's the one takeaway I realized from my time with Mark's No. 43, the incredible duration of time the originals vibrate, perhaps 20% longer than my similar looking and built, but far newer OFC I model, albeit using relatively crude measurement techniques. |
|
| |
|
Joined:
December 2003
Posts: 846
Location: Canada | Nancy - 2016-11-04 12:39 PM HOLY BUCKETS!!! This will probably be the only time in my lifetime that I see one of these come up for sale! Congratulations to the Proud New Owner! I am shocked you are trying to resist this one ... though you may have to sell off a few from the collection eh. |
|
| |
|
Joined:
March 2010
Posts: 486
Location: Suisun City, Ca | I was honored to play one at Bobbo's once. Way beyond my skills, but the ease of play made me better than normal. I swear the fret board wood/grain looked deep enough to put your hand into and felt like silk to the touch. Total beast! Pure power AND finesse. The best of any brand I've ever had in my hands, bar none, including a pre-war Martin...(about 3x the price)
Truly wonderful piece! Well worth the 15k |
|
| |
|
Joined:
September 2011
Posts: 402
Location: New Hartford CT | I think cliff is right jay, pretty sure the originals were carved by hand. Maybe someone that was there can confirm? Far as punching the button on a CNC...best around back then was numerical control (NC). I don't recall seeing my first CNC in local manufacturing until 79-80; OT - It was a Wells Index vertical miller, had to go take a class to run it...the 'computer' was the size of a kitchen range that sat off to the side. You'd write a program for, say, a hole pattern and the computer would punch tape. Then you'd feed the tape into a reader to load the program. The thing broke down all the time, likely due to a combination of new technology combined with a good dose of operator error and confusion. Wells Index would send their technicians out in their official Wells Index uniforms for repair. It was my first insight into the world to come. Everyone knew that eventually these machines would improve and replace a lot of workers. Even those first CNC machines were so much faster...the handwriting was on the wall. |
|
| |
|
Joined:
January 2002
Posts: 14127
Location: 6 String Ranch | the originals were done on a pantograph. There was a master and the operator hand ran the guide over it back and forth and the other side with the cutter did the work. Same for the heels and pegheads. 15 is a reasonable price.
|
|
| |
|
Joined:
December 2001
Posts: 10581
Location: NJ | Beal gives his imprimatur |
|
| |
|
Joined:
April 2004
Posts: 13303
Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | That's a fancy thumbs up! |
|
| |
|
Joined:
December 2014
Posts: 1713
Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Beal - 2016-11-21 7:47 PM
the originals were done on a pantograph. There was a master and the operator hand ran the guide over it back and forth and the other side with the cutter did the work. Same for the heels and pegheads. 15 is a reasonable price.
Fascinating!!! I would have loved to have watched that being made!!! |
|
| |
|
Joined:
February 2016
Posts: 1769
Location: When?? | @Geostorm98 - "the 'computer' was the size of a kitchen range that sat off to the side."
I remember the days. We had couple of them at the A&P school I was at. In addition to the "kitchen range", we also had a a slew of file cabinets to hold the hundreds and hundreds of punch-hole tapes that were standardized for various cylinder heads, cams cranks, etc. Today you could put all of those tapes on a 1 GB SD card and still have enough space left over on it to store a couple dozen copies of War and Peace. |
|
| |
|
Joined:
September 2011
Posts: 402
Location: New Hartford CT | Beal - 2016-11-21 8:47 PM the originals were done on a pantograph. There was a master and the operator hand ran the guide over it back and forth and the other side with the cutter did the work. Same for the heels and pegheads. 15 is a reasonable price. Thanks Beal...and back to the item for sale. What a beauty, if only... |
|
| |
|
Joined:
July 2005
Posts: 1609
Location: Colorado | 41, 42, and 43 all seem to be brothers or sisters if you look at the production dates...still my favorite guitar is 43...even tho thanks to some friends here, I own a few of varying manufacturers'. 15k seems fair....but 43 is still NFS....besides, Professor has called dibbies....he just has to arm wrestle my daughter Sam. Been along time since posting...I'm on this side of the water for a while. |
|
| |
|
Joined:
June 2002
Posts: 6192
Location: Phoenix AZ | Oh come on Mark, if you owned #41 or #42 you would think one of THOSE was the best. Everybody thinks their pet is the cutest, right? We DO need to get together and play them side by side just for kicks. Hey, how about you and I go halfsies and we buy #41 so we could collectively say we own the Triplets ??? |
|
| |
|
Joined:
July 2005
Posts: 1609
Location: Colorado | Intriguing co-owner idea....Kinda like a time share?
I was comparing 43 to other guitars I have owned - I still contend the best sounding guitar is in Matt Smith, Phil Keaggy, or Brad Davis's Hands....I am guessing there is not a fret buzz worth of difference....43 is real high mileage - which I like. 43 is not really like a pet....it is more like a wife....treats me well - and puts up with all my crap too. |
|
| |
|
Joined:
August 2003
Posts: 4619
Location: SoCal | What is the status? Sold? Just curious. |
|
| |
|
Joined:
January 2002
Posts: 14127
Location: 6 String Ranch | The originals were done on a pantograph duplicating machine. Done one at a time by hand. took an hour or so. The heels and peg heads were done the same way |
|
| |
|
Joined:
December 2001
Posts: 7210
Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Beal - 2017-01-23 5:28 PM
The originals were done on a pantograph duplicating machine. Done one at a time by hand. took an hour or so. The heels and peg heads were done the same way
The technology exists to do it the same-ish way but automate the heavy lifting and it's not as expensive as one would think. This link is to a consumer grade version... http://www.wood-carver.com/unispecs.html However, someone would have to want to buy the guitars after they were built... it always comes down to that. |
|
| |
|
Joined:
May 2011
Posts: 751
Location: Muenster/Germany | 
jay - 2016-11-08 10:37 PM
I'm assuming the bridge was hand carved...any idea how long it would take to carve the bridge?
I would say 2 hours all in all. I did some similar, simpler carvings before and they were not much time consuming. And I could not work on a workbench, but had to do this on the guitar...I lov hand carving because it is never too perfect, you can see that it´s handmade. Is it that the people call "mojo"? |
|
| |
|
Joined:
February 2016
Posts: 1769
Location: When?? | Very cool, Detlef. I give it a definite thumbs up on the personal mojo. |
|
| |
|
Joined:
December 2014
Posts: 1713
Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Love O Fair - 2017-01-24 3:11 PM
Very cool, Detlef. I give it a definite thumbs up on the personal mojo.
+1 Beautiful! |
|
| |
|
Joined:
February 2014
Posts: 699
Location: moline,illinois | DetlefMichel - 2017-01-24 11:03 AM
jay - 2016-11-08 10:37 PM
I'm assuming the bridge was hand carved...any idea how long it would take to carve the bridge? I would say 2 hours all in all. I did some similar, simpler carvings before and they were not much time consuming. And I could not work on a workbench, but had to do this on the guitar...I lov hand carving because it is never too perfect, you can see that it´s handmade. Is it that the people call "mojo"?
Nice job,I always loved the carved bridges on the custom legends,so what model did you do that on???
Do you ever worry about weakening the bridge by removing wood?
|
|
| |
|
Joined:
May 2011
Posts: 751
Location: Muenster/Germany | This one was a ´82 collector´s. I did it, too with a 1537. The first try was the fretboard end of a battered old 12string custom legend when I started the restoration. Before: 
And after: 
The carvings on the bidges were not very deep and did not effect the stability at all. The carved bridges on the Adamas guitars are much thinner. But the carved fretboard end was the best idea, it looks really nice and you won´t see it at first sight. 
But enough from me now, the star of this party is the wonderful old Adamas |
|
| |