Ovation Rare?
jamrcat
Posted 2016-10-19 4:30 PM (#529380)
Subject: Ovation Rare?


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I'm wanting to confirm info on an Ovation I plan to sell. Previous owner said it was built in 1991 and he bought it in 1992. It is an Elite 1768 but it is supposed to be 1 of 18 built to celebrate the 10 year anniversary of the Berlin wall being torn down. It looks like a Custom Elite Prototype made with 20 year old aged German spruce top. I have owned several Ovation's including an Adamas and this one sounds amazing. I compared it to my friends 1537 side by side and this one had an incredible sound including a very resonant bottom end in comparison to the 1537. I am going to sell it but I do not want to mislead anyone about it. If anyone can chime in to either confirm or dispute the authenticity of this guitar, I would appreciate it! I don't want to break any rules so I'll post a price of $1,895.00

















Edited by jamrcat 2016-10-19 4:49 PM
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red-twins
Posted 2016-10-19 5:34 PM (#529382 - in reply to #529380)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?



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This one looks exactly like my 1992 Nakao Elite, except a different label. Mine says 1768 Nakao, but it is obviously the same built. We have had that before, that early runs were not correctly labeled, I remember well an early Longneck just being labeled 1768 Elite instead of DS 768... Other opinions?

And the Berlin wall fell in 1989, so that doesn't sound right....



Edited by red-twins 2016-10-19 5:37 PM
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MWoody
Posted 2016-10-19 7:47 PM (#529385 - in reply to #529380)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?



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Without a certificate of authenticity (CoA) or specific 1 / 18 markings I would refrain from making any such claim.
It simply is what it is, a lovely 1768 Elite.

Very nice though.
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jamrcat
Posted 2016-10-19 7:54 PM (#529386 - in reply to #529382)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?


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I appreciate the response, most of the information I have was said to have come from the factory. This was ordered by someone for the German celebration but the original buyer backed out. It was then sold later to someone else. A pamphlet in the case said it had 20 year old aged German spruce and a few details about the build being 1 of only 18 produced. I'm simply looking for answers. If the information I have is correct, it should reflect a better price! By the way, this is the best sounding Ovation I have ever heard!
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jay
Posted 2016-10-19 9:44 PM (#529388 - in reply to #529386)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?



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"A pamphlet in the case said it had 20 year old aged German spruce and a few details about the build being 1 of only 18 produced."

That would be interesting to see!

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jamrcat
Posted 2016-10-19 11:24 PM (#529390 - in reply to #529388)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?


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I'll see about getting a pic of the pamphlet. I just saw some pic's of the Nakao Elite, wow what a close match!
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Samuels
Posted 2016-10-20 8:18 AM (#529402 - in reply to #529380)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?


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I have this exact Model in every way and would be very interested to learn what you find out! Thank you so much for sharing this!
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Waskel
Posted 2016-10-20 8:24 AM (#529403 - in reply to #529380)
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Hey, Jamrcat! Newport? I'm up in Neskowin!




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leonardmccoy
Posted 2016-10-20 9:15 AM (#529404 - in reply to #529380)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?



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I've always been a centerhole, noncutaway evangelist, but this Elite looks very tempting indeed.

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Love O Fair
Posted 2016-10-20 1:20 PM (#529412 - in reply to #529380)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?



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@Waskel - "I'm up in Neskowin!"

Oh well, there goes your 'closely held secret'!
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jamrcat
Posted 2016-10-20 1:57 PM (#529416 - in reply to #529412)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?


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Wow, someone so close! I am staying in Newport for the winter, so far it has been a very wild one with the storms! Here's the pic I promised, I have blacked out the original owner's name for privacy. The writing is inside the owner's manual in the warranty section.

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MWoody
Posted 2016-10-20 2:26 PM (#529420 - in reply to #529380)
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Interesting!
I wonder if John B at Mothership can cross reference?
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Samuels
Posted 2016-10-20 7:42 PM (#529434 - in reply to #529380)
Subject: RE: Ovation Rare?


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Well I'm super excited, wish I had the owner's manual for mine. I was told that it was a Nakao replica in every sence, but the builder's put a 1768 label on it to escape the higher N768 price. But either way, for $400 I'm not complaining lol.
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red-twins
Posted 2016-10-21 3:12 PM (#529448 - in reply to #529380)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?



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...just to get things right, mine is labeled N768 Elite, not 1768 Nakao.

Whatever the name, they are awesome guitars....
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DanSavage
Posted 2016-10-21 8:33 PM (#529453 - in reply to #529380)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?



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"Berlin Wall Celebration!"
"Made for Glen Campbell and Roy Clark!"

Very cool.

The text below reads, as I interpret it:

"Custom made for a German special
that fell thru - only 18 made
20 year old spruce."

It doesn't say "20 year old German spruce" only, "20 year old spruce"

Still, it's a pretty cool guitar.

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red-twins
Posted 2016-10-22 4:21 PM (#529463 - in reply to #529380)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?



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"The demolition officially began on 13 June 1990 and was completed in 1992."

Does that help?

And there have been celebrations on the 9th November 2009, celebrating the 20th anniversary of the fall of the wall. It was called festival of freedom.
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jamrcat
Posted 2016-10-22 5:59 PM (#529465 - in reply to #529463)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?


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Thanks for the info! I wish someone who knew details, or who worked at the mother ship would chime in and give us some clarity on the history. I think it's a very special build, but someone who was there would be helpful! Right now all I have is what someone told me, and the remarks on the owners manual.
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tpa
Posted 2016-10-23 7:10 AM (#529466 - in reply to #529380)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?


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Nice guitar. Regarding the history/background of it You could try to ask Ovation: http://ovationguitars.com/contact. Often I think limited runs would have a label or a special s/n saying so.

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jamrcat
Posted 2016-10-23 5:35 PM (#529469 - in reply to #529466)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?


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Thanks for the link, will try and get some answers. My understanding is that severasl of the early 90 model guitars we're mislabeled.
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jamrcat
Posted 2016-10-27 10:25 PM (#529540 - in reply to #529469)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?


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I am a little disappointed. I sent a inquiry to Ovation 4 or 5 days ago and notta, nothing. I want to list this on Reverb or Evilbay but I don't want to misrepresent what it is. I have no reason not to believe what I've been told about it, but I would've felt better if someone from the mother ship, or someone with history could've given me some confirmation.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2016-10-27 10:42 PM (#529543 - in reply to #529380)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?



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Call them. Be aware of the time difference.

Phone: 1-800-552-4681
Email: info@ovationguitars.com
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jamrcat
Posted 2016-10-28 2:09 PM (#529550 - in reply to #529543)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?


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Thanks Arthur, will do!
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nerdydave
Posted 2016-10-28 11:05 PM (#529555 - in reply to #529380)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?


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Geostorm once worked there. Perhaps he knows something. Too bad Allison is no longer here to assist in this matter.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2016-10-29 6:31 AM (#529557 - in reply to #529380)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?


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It seems at least two or three people wrote on the Pamphlet so that doesn't help because we don't know where those people got their information or if it was accurate. On the other hand, we know it was built in 1991 based on the serial number. Now a theory of what could have happened is that as it states "It was built for a Germany Special"... that could mean anything. Celebration, or a store run.. or because of the wall coming down the 20 year old spruce ... Because the sell date could be 1992, and the wall had just came down in 1989... Maybe the "special run" was simply "Hey the wall came down, lets get a few guitars made in celebration of that". I don't see anywhere on the note where it states "10 year anniversary" so just going by what's on the note, I'd guess just a custom order to celebrate. And, well that's the terminology they are using too.

If it were me, I'd think a guitar that came about as a celebration of the event is almost more important than one that came out for an anniversary. Also, short custom runs were popular back then. Stores used to get short runs of a model with some color or attribute that made it theirs. So that fits as well.

Really not sure about the Campbell and Clarke reference on the pamphlet. That's interesting.

I also did a little research and to support my theory, there were indeed several pretty high profile music "celebrations" in 1989 in Germany and the following years as well. I take the note at face value...

Just my thoughts on this.
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jay
Posted 2016-10-29 8:22 AM (#529560 - in reply to #529557)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?



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Jeff Dayton would have been with Glen at that time, I think. He is a tremendously nice guy and if he was supposed to go with Glen, he would probably remember if Glen was to have gone to Germany to play with Roy. You could drop him a note to see if he remembered the occasion. That wouldn't help you with the guitars provenance, but it would be a start to helping confirm the essence of what is written. 

Roy is on FB also. He seems to be still active...it wouldnt hurt to message him.

Maybe between the two, if you can confirm there was a celebration...a little more information will come your way so that you can tie the guitar to the note.

 At the end of the day, you have a sweet guitar...Good luck on finding its journey.

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red-twins
Posted 2016-10-29 8:43 AM (#529561 - in reply to #529557)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?



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Mr. Ovation - 2016-10-29 1:31 PM  I also did a little research and to support my theory, there were indeed several pretty high profile music "celebrations" in 1989 in Germany and the following years as well. I take the note at face value... Just my thoughts on this.

 

That's what I did, and yes, there were a few, but I could not find anything about Campbell and/or Clark attending.....

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jamrcat
Posted 2016-10-29 6:35 PM (#529573 - in reply to #529560)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?


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Thanks guys, I appreciate all the posts and help!!!
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Jonmark Stone
Posted 2016-10-30 7:10 PM (#529580 - in reply to #529573)
Subject: Re: Ovation Rare?


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You might try sending a PM to Beal and see if he has any input.
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jamrcat
Posted 2016-11-30 2:04 PM (#530971 - in reply to #529580)
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Beal could not remember. Very nice though with my communications
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