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Location: Chicago | OK, Brad (Slipkid's) story about how the Fishman sales staff uses Ovations as examples of a "really bad guitar" sound really got to me.....
I play Os because I LOVE what I heard on a few milestone recordings like...
"My Goal's Beyond" J. McLaughlin
"World Sinfonia" Al Di Meola
What is your example of RIGHTEOUS OVATION SOUND on record? I wanna make a list and send up Fishman's snout. |
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"Small Town America" |
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Location: Nashville TN. | Tell them to listen to my 1719 & D-28 side by side,
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| From the archive on the Pat Metheny interactive site:-
User: Dave Dewey
Subject: Ovation Nylon String
Question: Hi Again Pat! I was somewhat surprised back in the Eighties to see you playing an Ovation "Classical" onstage. It seems many "guitar purists" and luthiers tend to look down on Ovations for a variety of real and imagined reasons. I like Ovations for a number of reasons: they seem to be well-built and well-tempered, they are very well behaved through a PA/monitor system, and you can set up the action to be very fast. The only "bad" thing I can say is that they don't have that deep, "woody" Martin/Guild/Taylor sound. I can only assume you have to be careful about appearing to endorse a certain manufacturer in this forum, but can you tell us what it was you liked and disliked about the Ovation? Thanks again Pat...hope you have (or had) a great holiday!
Pat's Answer: hi dave,
i am always kind of amazed when i hear people put down ovations as well - to me they are more than good instruments. they have a very particular sound, are generally very well intonated (i find this often to be a problem, even on very expensive handmade instruments), and they are virtually indestructable. i always have one laying around the house just to try things on - and if i can get it to sound good on there, it usually translates well to whatever axe it ends up on in the end.
So who ya gonna believe? The Fish-man or The Man? |
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Location: NJ | Anything by AlStewart/PeterWhite from the mid 70's to late 80's. |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Originally posted by cliff:
Anything by AlStewart/PeterWhite from the mid 70's to late 80's. My personal favorite is "Rhymes In Rooms". The Ovations really shine on that one. |
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Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota | Anything by the Wilson Sisters from the 80's! God I loved Nancy with a guitar in her hands! |
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| Also 'Moonshadow' by Cat Stevens
'Danny's Song' by Loggins and Messina
Intro to 'Crazy on You' by Heart
'Mediterranean Sundance' by Al Dimeola
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Location: Scotland | See, the problem I have with all of the above is they all sound like a plugged-in guitar. Nothing wrong with that, but that's what it is and none of them really excite me. To me piezo tone is a compromise I have to deal with to play loud, and Ovation is the best solution I have found to that end.
The best recorded Ovation sound you wouldn't really be aware of, because it would be made with microphones and a good engineer, and would just sound like a really good acoustic guitar. We all know Ovation are cabable of making acoustic guitars that can compete with the best of them, the Fishman guy was using a stereotype to make a point. Get over it. |
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Location: Nashville TN. | Chapin Taxi Live
Any Croce on the Ovations
I saw Roy Clark absolutely amaze me on TV show in the early 80s.
Might have been an Adamas.
He was thew guy on Hee Haw
It did not realize how good he really is. |
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Location: Nashville TN. | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
See, the problem I have with all of the above is they all sound like a plugged-in guitar. Nothing wrong with that, but that's what it is and none of them really excite me. To me piezo tone is a compromise I have to deal with to play loud, and Ovation is the best solution I have found to that end.
The best recorded Ovation sound you wouldn't really be aware of, because it would be made with microphones and a good engineer, and would just sound like a really good acoustic guitar. We all know Ovation are cabable of making acoustic guitars that can compete with the best of them, the Fishman guy was using a stereotype to make a point. Get over it. In rooms where it made a difference,
I have used an EV ND257 mic on slightly in addition to op24.
It worked very well. |
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Location: Parrish, FL | I'm dating myself a little here, but I seem to recall Roy Clark on HeeHaw in the late 60's.
He was a fixture there up until the show stopped broadcasting.
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Location: Chicago | "My Goal's Beyond" (J. McLaughlin) is pure acoustic. That Balladeer wasn't even wired! And, no, PT, it does not sound "plugged" in or piezo.
Sound Imaging technology is phony: wax food, silicone tits, mohair toupee, socks in the jock.
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Location: Scotland | My mistake, I should have said "most" sound like a plugged-in guitar. Either way, I agree with you, I'm far from convinced by current sound imaging techology |
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Location: Chicago | My 2 cents: Unplugged 74 Legend on "OVATION LULLABY" = 2nd button at top of "guitarsoffire.com" (link below). I'm a clutz at recording, but the sound of the old box comes through. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Fer me nuthin' touches 'Cogings Glory' - for that matter, the whole 'Guitar For Mortals' LP by the talented Mr. Legg. |
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Location: Nashville TN. | Originally posted by BluesSailor:
I'm dating myself a little here, but I seem to recall Roy Clark on HeeHaw in the late 60's.
He was a fixture there up until the show stopped broadcasting.
Blues It started in 1969 and ended in 1993
It was a special I saw him. |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
Fer me nuthin' touches 'Cogings Glory' - for that matter, the whole 'Guitar For Mortals' LP by the talented Mr. Legg. It's all a question of taste. As much as I admire Legg's technical prowess, I've always thought his tone, especially the tone he got when he was using Adamas, really sucked. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
It's all a question of taste... the tone he got when he was using Adamas, really sucked. Well, you're a "Fox Bummer" |
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Location: Scotland | I find that highly offensive. I have never bummed a Fox in my life. I've always preferred the Badger.
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Had a lay-over in that Cab Station Limbo called, "Chez Doenges"... |
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Location: Nashville TN. | Originally posted by schroeder:
Nobody mentioned Bob Marley. Oh dude I was so waisted
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Location: Nashville TN. | Originally posted by dobro:
"My Goal's Beyond" (J. McLaughlin) is pure acoustic. That Balladeer wasn't even wired! And, no, PT, it does not sound "plugged" in or piezo.
Sound Imaging technology is phony: wax food, silicone tits, mohair toupee, socks in the jock.
I will not get over it. I NURSE my anger. Gee why don't tell us how you feel
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
See, the problem I have with all of the above is they all sound like a plugged-in guitar. Nothing wrong with that, but that's what it is and none of them really excite me. To me piezo tone is a compromise I have to deal with to play loud, and Ovation is the best solution I have found to that end.
The best recorded Ovation sound you wouldn't really be aware of, because it would be made with microphones and a good engineer, and would just sound like a really good acoustic guitar. We all know Ovation are cabable of making acoustic guitars that can compete with the best of them, the Fishman guy was using a stereotype to make a point. Get over it. EXACTLY!!!!!
Although I'm not a fan of the music style, I think Kaki King's first Album (I think it was her first) was one of the best recordings of an Ovation Adamas I have ever heard. All of the deep lows and sparkly highs are there and you can actually "hear" the Ovation "signature" effects of moving around the fretboard while maintaining the same tonal qualities.
Those that have heard the intro to Crazy On You live, where it's a mix of the sound board feed and the mic she stands in front of, know... that the recording is no comparison and frankly pretty stale once you've heard it live.
I also think many would be suprised at how often the Guitar on an album is an artists "signature" whatever... when in fact... it was an Ovation that an engineer knew how to record. |
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Location: Colorado | Boston...More Than a Feeling, and Peace of Mind
Dave Mason...We just disagree
America...Sister Golden Hair...nice 12 sound
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Location: Chicago | Mr. O wrote:
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[you think] the Guitar on an album is an artist's "signature" whatever... when in fact... it was an Ovation that an engineer knew how to record.
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I can testify: Two years ago I bought my second Legend the ADII 1769 (Di Meola signature) on the strength of Al's recorded tone and endorsement. Well, in a word, I am disappointed. It does not have anywhere near the tone and punch of my old regular 1117 Legend!! Budny was kind enough to send me the OP STUDIO... Louder, but no cigar. So yes: recorded magic is in the microphone and the natural ACOUSTIC sound, first and foremost. |
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Location: East Tennessee | Three "C"'s. Campbell,Croce,Clark. I've seen them play Ovations with a sound any guitar player would die for. |
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Location: CA | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUE5fc7eiWk
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Ann's voice: double day-amn
I hope rock and roll will return to great groups and songs like this once more before I die. |
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Fightin' Mad (Your BEST example of O on record)