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Location: Connecticut | Did you guys see this on the Ovation Facebook? A comment from O says the back is wood, not a faux finished lyrachord body. Wha????
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I didn't see the comment about it being a wood back. |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | They responded with: Wood 
I think it looks like Hydrographics, very cool! A bit too wild for my tastes, but if it is, it opens up an Entire new World of Art for the backs, and Personalization!!!
Myself, I really like this one: (I am guessing Walnut Laminate, GORGEOUS!!!)
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | That one got my attention too Nancy. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Vipers are wood. |
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Location: Connecticut | Mr. Ovation - 2015-12-15 7:46 AM
Vipers are wood.
Yeah, but that first pic isn't a Viper! |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Patch - 2015-12-15 6:25 AM
That one got my attention too Nancy.
We are a pair Patch! We both Love fine wood grains!!
I would have gone with a dark bridge and different colored brown and black eppies though.
Did you notice that the bridge has slightly changed too? |
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Location: Texas | I wonder if the "wood" is something that wouldn't look good in its' natural state. Not all wood is meant to be seen. Just sayin.
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Nancy - 2015-12-15 10:35 AM Patch - 2015-12-15 6:25 AM That one got my attention too Nancy. We are a pair Patch! We both Love fine wood grains!! I would have gone with a dark bridge and different colored brown and black eppies though. Did you notice that the bridge has slightly changed too? That's a standard bridge for an EA-68 Viper Nancy. The strings go through the body to the back. I've had two Vipers that were sacrificed to GAS, but I really want another one. Too bad I'm broke....  |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Patch - 2015-12-15 11:05 AM
Nancy - 2015-12-15 10:35 AM Patch - 2015-12-15 6:25 AM That one got my attention too Nancy. We are a pair Patch! We both Love fine wood grains!! I would have gone with a dark bridge and different colored brown and black eppies though. Did you notice that the bridge has slightly changed too? That's a standard bridge for an EA-68 Viper Nancy. The strings go through the body to the back. I've had two Vipers that were sacrificed to GAS, but I really want another one. Too bad I'm broke....
Ooooh! Ok! Thank You Patch! I know little to nothing about Vipers, other than I like the name!
Thank you - I am going to have to go study them!! 
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Location: Jet City | Here's the back side Nancy... 
And here's an unfinished body...
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Thank You Damon!!!!
So a Viper is an Electric Model with a Solid Wood Body, and but with carved out chambers? What kind of top do they normally put on one? A laminate, or a solid?
Do they produce a totally different tone than say a UKII? They look just like a regular Elite Acoustic, but are much thinner, and are solid body (with chambers). Interesting!!! I would love to hear what one sounds like!
Thank you SO much for the pictures, now I NEED to know about them. If I end up with one, I am coming after you and Patch!!! LOL!! |
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Location: Texas | Nancy, They were solid body (ok chambered) electric acoustics. They really didn't sound much different than a Les Paul unplugged, meaning they had no acoustic value. To support a little of what OMA brought up in another thread, the EA 63 certainly had the Ovation sound, plugged in, as other O classical's had, plugged in. I had a Gibson CE, which had a very similar looking piezo to the EA-63. Not much difference between the two plugged in.
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Location: Germany, where delicious wine is growing (Rheinh) | Hi Nancy,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFd-8mISe9w
Jonmark plays one.....
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Ovation must have liked the name, too. The original Vipers were a solid body guitar with a 24 fret to the body neck. Skinny at the nut, with 2 special pickups that make it sound sort of like a Telecaster. The Viper III had 3 pickups and are pretty rare. The second Vipers are the ones you are looking at and the third are the f hole ones they did recently, for an artist whose name I can't spell. |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | VERY Cool!!!
They are in a Class all their own then! I am not sure if it is Jonmark's talent, or the guitar, but they have a Beautiful softer sound all of their own, don't they? They sound acoustic, but are made like an Electric.
Just listened to 2 more of Jonmark's songs, this is a Perfect Guitar for his voice, Beautiful, Soft and Translucent! A voice made for story-telling.
Thank You Guys! Once again, "askin' the Boys" gets me the answers I wanted or needed, in a way I could easily understand! You guys are THE BEST!!!! Thank You!!
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Now back to the Thread (DW Ovations) was the new REO Guitar of Kevin Cronins's going to be a Viper??? |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Thank you Damon!
Ok, to make a visional analogy for me to remember, you can tell the difference like tail lights (Camaro/Firebird - Cougar/Thunderbird), but use the neck ends (for a first glance identification):
The Roundhole Acoustics have the semi-circle at the bottom of the neck
The Elites/Adamas Acoustics have the angled bottom
The Electric (Solid Bodies) have the straight cut bottom.
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Location: moline,illinois | Nancy - 2015-12-15 6:29 PM
Thank you Damon!
Ok, to make a visional analogy for me to remember, you can tell the difference like tail lights (Camaro/Firebird - Cougar/Thunderbird ), but use the neck ends (for a first glance identification ):
The Roundhole Acoustics have the semi-circle at the bottom of the neck
The Elites/Adamas Acoustics have the angled bottom
The Electric (Solid Bodies ) have the straight cut bottom
Don't forget the Custom Legend with the Mustache curve on the end of the fretboard.
And just to keep you guessing some of the collectors have square end fretboards on multi-soundhole tops. |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | That wood back is okay, IMO.
I'd be really impressed if DW did a wood back like this: 
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | DanSavage - 2015-12-16 1:45 AM That wood back is okay, IMO.
I'd be really impressed if DW did a wood back like this:
I've been trying to track down one of those for years! Love the look and the concept. |
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Location: Muenster/Germany | Yairi built guitars like this in the 80s. |
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Location: Muenster/Germany | The Ovation body above appears to be a usual black body (these are white in the raw, or not?), partly carefully grinded, then fine-sanded and polished/laquered. Only a matter of patience, a good machine and courage... |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | Patch - 2015-12-16 4:27 AM
I've been trying to track down one of those for years! Love the look and the concept.
I keep an eye out for these guitars (DY-92) on eBay. I saw one recently that had an minimum bid of $7K. (yikes!) I don't know if it sold or not.
After I finish my torrefied 1617/1117, my next BFLG project will be an Ovation-clone with a wood back like the DY-92. |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | DetlefMichel - 2015-12-16 6:17 AM
The Ovation body above appears to be a usual black body (these are white in the raw, or not?), partly carefully grinded, then fine-sanded and polished/laquered. Only a matter of patience, a good machine and courage...
I looked closely at that back and it is wood. It was built up using layers of wood, then was CNC machined to the shape of the Ovation bowl. Not too sure how thick the wood is, but it's probably substantially thicker than the fiberglass bowl or the back of a normal wood guitar. |
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Location: undisclosed | A traditional lute back is made like that using thin strips over a mold edge glued together. Parchment is then glued to the inside for reinforcement. Something like dynel instead would be stronger. The main trick on a guitar bowl will be laying out or spiling the "plank" shapes to make the waist, A lute can use the same shape for the pieces. |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | Cavalier - 2015-12-16 9:44 AM
A traditional lute back is made like that using thin strips over a mold edge glued together. Parchment is then glued to the inside for reinforcement. Something like dynel instead would be stronger. The main trick on a guitar bowl will be laying out or spiling the "plank" shapes to make the waist, A lute can use the same shape for the pieces.
The DY-92 was actually a wood vaulted-back guitar made in the method you describe. Not too sure about the parchment, though.The Ovation is a fiberglass vaulted-back guitar.
This photo give a good idea of how I'm going to build mine. 
The vaulted-back guitar was the transitional design between the traditional lute-back (potato bug) and the 'flat' backed guitar we know today. (See: Vaulted Back Guitars)
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | If anyone could do it, it would be You Dan!!
I can't wait to read and see the pictures from that BFLG project!! |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | We circulated a wood backed Ovation knockoff that Jeff W. bought over in Southeast Asia. It probably took a fair amount of hand crafting, but it didn't sound all that good. It was a shallow bowl and just didn't resonate that much. |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | I've got some torrefied Adi spruce I'm saving for the wood-backed O-clone.
I'd really like to track down some torrefied Adi to use for the braces. |
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Location: undisclosed | Interesting link on the vaulted back pictures. It looks fairly straight forward laying the strips like that. Cutting the ribs out and shaping in stacks could save some time. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Mark in Boise - 2015-12-15 1:16 PM
Ovation must have liked the name, too. The original Vipers were a solid body guitar with a 24 fret to the body neck. Skinny at the nut, with 2 special pickups that make it sound sort of like a Telecaster. The Viper III had 3 pickups and are pretty rare. The second Vipers are the ones you are looking at and the third are the f hole ones they did recently, for an artist whose name I can't spell.
I'm not sure of the whole story, but the body shape, as in the outline of the top, are essentially the same on all the Vipers (solidbody and chambered) hence the name being the same. The lower horn is a little pointier on the new ones. 
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Damon67 - 2015-12-15 12:56 PM
Here's the back side Nancy...
And here's an unfinished body...
WHOA!!!!!!
Wait a Minute!!!
I didn't understand what Patch meant when he said that the strings went through the body to the back....
I just looked at the pictures of the Vipers again, and THE STRINGS GO THROUGH THE BODY TO THE BACK!!!!!!!!
What is the reasoning/logic/thought process for this??? This is Fascinating!!!
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Mind you I don't actually know the answer why they are string-thru ('cept the Nylon EA-63's aren't string thru) but I have a few guesses. The first being that it takes the pressure off the bridge of having to be both the sting support AND the bridge. With string through, bridge barely needs to be glued in place as the strings will hold it there. There may be some transference of the string vibration to the body which may enhance the tone a bit, or maybe the idea is to get the ball ends as far away from the pickup so it sounds more "acoustic" than "electric". Or it could be a combination of the above. I will say it makes changing strings a breeze. It's certainly not unique to Ovation. Many electric or semi-hollow guitars are string-thru-body. |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Thank You Miles!
That is Amazing!! I have never seen that before, and once I put what Patch said together with Damon's picture, it blew me away!! WOW!!!!!!!!
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Location: Canada | Mr. Ovation - 2015-12-22 5:48 AM Many electric or semi-hollow guitars are string-thru-body. I think the first and most widely known guitar with string-through body is the Fender Stratocaster, built since about 1954. |
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Location: Indiana | Here's mine, Nancy.
It's my opinion that the string through body design adds to the sustain/tone of these nifty guitars.
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | What a Beautiful Guitar Jonmark!!!
Thank you for sharing! I am fascinated by this concept, how would someone even come up with this, and reason that it would improve the tone and sustain? I would LOVE to see one of these up close and personal, and see how this is done. Thank you Damon for posting the blank picture, and back!!!
I can't wait to see the new REO one coming out, but I would really like to see one taken apart to see how everything works! . (Don't let me by your mechanical things, I love to take things apart to see how they work, but always end up with spare parts later...) |
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Location: undisclosed | You should research Leo Fender, he was a true innovator and paved the road for solidbody guitars. Just don't blame him for what happened in O town, it was long past when he sold the company. |
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Location: moline,illinois | I don't think theres a new REO guitar,the ones from the factory tour were probably there for some TLC from john budny,if you look at the pics there are tags on the cases for repair/return authorization.If you look at any REO concerts from the past few years kevin is paying a custom viper on stage. |
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