Posted 2015-12-10 3:38 AM (#519262) Subject: What happens when your company is known for wood.
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Personally I was hoping this was what the future was going to be like. Anyone that knows anything about DW knows that in addition to their other accomplishments, they manage to find fantastic pieces of wood.
Got this from BillX. "What happens when I find wood at DW that I fall in love with…. "
Posted 2015-12-10 8:53 AM (#519267 - in reply to #519264) Subject: RE: What happens when your company is known for wood.
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Patch - 2015-12-10 6:18 AM
The man's got a pretty cool job.
+1
I was SO hoping that this would happen with DW, they have the coolest woods for their drums, exotic and beautiful, and I was hoping they would influence Ovations with that! Looks like it is happening already! YES!!! Some of their LE Drums are just plain Cool in the wood inlay and Artistic categories!!! GO BILL X!!!
Posted 2015-12-10 1:25 PM (#519280 - in reply to #519262) Subject: Re: What happens when your company is known for wood.
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I never thought an acoustic guitar sounded better plugged in. I did sell one of my laminated Ovations to a guy who swore it sounded better plugged in than any of my other Ovations sounded plugged in. I listened to his recording of 6 or 8 of them and couldn't tell the difference. It was also a mid-bowl, which lacked the sound I preferred acoustically. Anyway, it was a better guitar for him than me, although he later admitted that his ears may have been affected by his eyes.
Posted 2015-12-10 2:09 PM (#519284 - in reply to #519262) Subject: Re: What happens when your company is known for wood.
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But that style top was meant for a laminated design. They cN sound great. Round he's don't quite make it with laminates. The adamas after all was a laminate
Posted 2015-12-10 2:15 PM (#519285 - in reply to #519262) Subject: Re: What happens when your company is known for wood.
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I think the trick is to have the 3 plys equal and the top and bottom be the same wood. Use the ugly ones for the inside and the pretty ones on top. That way the grain properties are the same. I'd suggest the center ply to be birch or spruce or fir and be at 30 degrees, 2:00 to8:00. Like the adamas.
But then again, what do I know? I just used to run a gas station for airplanes......
Posted 2015-12-10 3:32 PM (#519287 - in reply to #519285) Subject: Re: What happens when your company is known for wood.
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Beal - 2015-12-10 2:15 PM
I think the trick is to have the 3 plys equal and the top and bottom be the same wood. Use the ugly ones for the inside and the pretty ones on top. That way the grain properties are the same. I'd suggest the center ply to be birch or spruce or fir and be at 30 degrees, 2:00 to8:00. Like the adamas.
Because I want to learn... Is the vibration for the top coming off the inside face of the wood used for the top (especially in the case of a laminate)? Or is it the entire top as a whole - all 3 pieces bonded as one?
Beal's suggestion seems extremely logical, and would allow a great numbers of diverse wood type tops to create an Exotic Collection.
I can see too, where the Center hole is more Traditional, and people would be less apt to try a huge difference in normally used top woods. Whereas, the Epi's and Multiple Sound holes are more Non-Traditional and Adventurous, and people would be willing to explore outside of the box for more unique and non-traditional tops. JMHO
Posted 2015-12-15 3:16 AM (#519357 - in reply to #519280) Subject: Re: What happens when your company is known for wood.
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Mark in Boise - 2015-12-10 3:25 PM
I never thought an acoustic guitar sounded better plugged in. .
to me, Maton guitars sound poorly when played acoustically, yet sound decent when plugged in.
I don't know what it is about them, but I have never heard one I liked unamplified.
Posted 2015-12-15 3:56 AM (#519358 - in reply to #519262) Subject: Re: What happens when your company is known for wood.
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If an acoustic guitar sounds better plugged-in it is not a very good acoustic guitar.
The problem with the sound of a plugged-in guitar is that it sounds like it's pickup or preamp.
I have a GCS771C Cedar-topped Elite with an OP-30 preamp...
Unplugged, the Cedar top sounds awesome.
Plugged-in, it sound like any of my other Elites with an OP-30 Preamp.
And if I changed-out the preamp to an OP-Pro... It would sound like an OP-Pro.
Much like a Solid-body Electric guitar sounds like it's pickups.
Switch Viper pickup to Humbuckers, or P-90's, and you change the sound of the guitar.
Beyond that, a plugged-up guitar goes through an Amp or PA, further changing the sound.
But an Acoustic guitar played acoustically sounds like itself.
Posted 2015-12-15 8:46 AM (#519362 - in reply to #519262) Subject: Re: What happens when your company is known for wood.
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I don't plug in just play pure acoustic so hopefully there will be something in the line that actually sounds good and is more than a decoration on the collector's wall.
Posted 2015-12-15 10:47 AM (#519369 - in reply to #519358) Subject: Re: What happens when your company is known for wood.
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Old Man Arthur - 2015-12-15 4:56 AM
If an acoustic guitar sounds better plugged-in it is not a very good acoustic guitar.
The problem with the sound of a plugged-in guitar is that it sounds like it's pickup or preamp. I have a GCS771C Cedar-topped Elite with an OP-30 preamp... Unplugged, the Cedar top sounds awesome. Plugged-in, it sound like any of my other Elites with an OP-30 Preamp. And if I changed-out the preamp to an OP-Pro... It would sound like an OP-Pro. Much like a Solid-body Electric guitar sounds like it's pickups. Switch Viper pickup to Humbuckers, or P-90's, and you change the sound of the guitar. Beyond that, a plugged-up guitar goes through an Amp or PA, further changing the sound.
But an Acoustic guitar played acoustically sounds like itself.
That's actually very well said.
Players very rarely play an acoustic amplified that actually SOUNDS like an acoustic amplified. They add a touch of reverb or delay, compress it a bit, equalize it, chorus it, etc etc etc. But stick it in front of a good mic with NOTHING in the way of effects or tricks? Almost never...
Posted 2015-12-15 10:55 AM (#519371 - in reply to #519362) Subject: Re: What happens when your company is known for wood.
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d'ovation - 2015-12-15 8:46 AM
I don't plug in just play pure acoustic so hopefully there will be something in the line that actually sounds good and is more than a decoration on the collector's wall.
The New Anniversary Bearclaw Adamas is made, and sold without electronics, acoustic only, unless you order them specifically. I am willing to bet that is going to be one Hellacious Acoustic! And while I plan on it decorating my Wall (Beautifully I might add), I also plan on playing the daylights out of it!!
Posted 2015-12-15 12:40 PM (#519374 - in reply to #519373) Subject: Re: What happens when your company is known for wood.
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d'ovation - 2015-12-15 11:21 AM
Nancy - 2015-12-15 9:55 AM And while I plan on it decorating my Wall (Beautifully I might add), I also plan on playing the daylights out of it!!
Right on Nancy, got your order in already eh.
My Very First Ordered Guitar D'Ovation!!! I feel like a youngster when you ordered your very first brand new car, and you were the first to drive it, and the first to fill it, and the first to kick it down and go like a Bat out of Heck!! And remember that New Car Smell??? I am expecting that New Adamas Smell too!!! I-AM-STOKED!!!!
Posted 2015-12-15 1:32 PM (#519382 - in reply to #519262) Subject: Re: What happens when your company is known for wood.
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Nancy, you must have had a more privileged childhood than I did. I never ordered a new car when I was a youngster. We did get a few for my wife, starting when I was in my 30s, but the only new car I got for myself was in my late 40s.
I got my first Ovation when I was only 24, though. It had been in a music store for probably a year, but it was still new to us. The next new one was the OFC 1 about 30 years later. That was exciting and worth the 30 year wait.
Back to the topic, I hope the New Ovation will continue to produce some of the exotic wood tops for those who want something that really impresses people visually. If they sound better plugged in, all the better for performers, especially those who may help sell the brand with their performances. But I hope they also continue to make guitars that sound good unplugged, even if the looks aren't as exciting. On that score, I think it is tough to beat the 2004 Commemorative Custom Legend or the 87 Collector for sound or looks, but they didn't use exotic woods. The 1537s were top of the class in sound, but were exotic in the sense that they were the first wood topped Ovations to use the multiholes. If the new guard sells enough guitars, we should be seeing a lot of beautiful guitars soon.
Posted 2015-12-15 4:57 PM (#519389 - in reply to #519382) Subject: Re: What happens when your company is known for wood.
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LOL!!!! Remember that age is relative Mark!
Youngster to me can mean 40 now... I got my first new car at 28, and paid for every penny of it myself, still have it, an '87 Cougar, 2-tone silver with under 42K miles on it. It looks like it just rolled out off the showroom floor! My first car was a '64 Ford Station wagon, $100, Robin's Egg Blue (God, I loved that car...) 9 Kids, we were all on our own at 14 money-wise.
I am really excited to see the new things that DW is going to explore! I hope they keep a more Traditional Line too, but I love to see the new exciting ideas coming out!
Posted 2015-12-15 5:26 PM (#519390 - in reply to #519262) Subject: Re: What happens when your company is known for wood.
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First car... '67 mustang fastback... Bullitt green. My Dad took me down to the bank to get my first loan. Only $16.00 an month but valuable life experience gained. (good one Dad).
Next car ... brand new '72 Gremlin... $1,998.00 out the door. Payment soared to $28.00 a month.
Posted 2015-12-15 8:37 PM (#519394 - in reply to #519262) Subject: Re: What happens when your company is known for wood.
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The good old days. My first car was a 68 Javelin, only 3 years old when I bought it for $750. I paid a third of that for my first new Ovation 6 years later. I'll have to check the index, but I'll bet the price of a car has grown much faster than the price of guitars.
What happens when your company is known for wood.
