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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I want to put together a "master list" of Ovation Models and I ran into some terminology snags. This below is what I came up with, but I'd like opinions and input. As you can see as example I put "Adamas" instead of Adamas I and II, but if I put I and II do I need to add the CMT, CWT, and ME's and even the Slothead.
Well if I do that... Does that mean I need to Put Magnum I, Magnum II, Magnum III and Magnum IV and Magnum Fretless? or is it ok just to say Magnum. Another sticking point was Josh White and John Lennon, and while it's "known" as the Melissa Etheridge model, it really is an Adamas SMT.... and that leads us to the Kaki King model and the DJ Ashba models. Should they be noted in the master list or are they really just regular models with different finishes. Then we get to the Hurrican, Eclipse, Tornado, Thunderhead, all of which are models... but then why not just Magnum, just like Adamas. Open to ideas, I really want to put a master list of models together. And while we're at it... there is the Classic and also the Contemporary Folk Classic, Concert Classic, and Artist Classic, or are they areally all just Classic. HEEEAAAAALLLLLLLP !!!!! | Academy | | Adamas | | Anniversary | | Applause | | Artist | | Balladeer | | Breadwinner | | Celebrity | | Classic | | Collectors' | | Contemporary Folk Classic | | Country Artist | | Deacon | | Eclipse | | Elite | | Folklore | | Hurricane | | Legend | | Longneck | | Magnum | | Mandocello | | Mandolin | | Matrix | | Pacemaker | | Parlor | | Patriot | | Pinnacle | | Preacher | | Preacher Deluxe | | Tangent | | Thunderbolt | | Thunderhead | | Tornado | | Trekker | | Typhoon | | UK II | | Ultra | | Ultra Solid Body | | Viper |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Okay... Only the Kaki King Adamas has the gasket epaulets, so it is unique.
The Melissa Etheridge models are distinctive for it's 12th Fret logo and her signature.
The Josh White and the Folklore are the Same guitar... with or without Josh's Name.
The John Lennon is really just a 1651, until John played it.
Maybe you should lump all of the Re-Issues into two groups... Adamas and Ovation.
As to the DJ Ashba Celebrity guitars... they are Celebrity guitars.
As are the Mick Thompson MT37 and the Nikki Sixx Heroin Diaries guitars.
Maybe a special section for the many colored Flame T's. 
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Location: moline,illinois | IMHO Adamas guitars should be broken down the I and II share the same type of top and suspension ring but SMT and CVT's have different types of carbon fiber tops plus there's the UTE and OFC guitars so maybe you need sub-catagories.
What about the Custom Legend it could be separated from the legend series since they used different bracings at times and the Custom Legend had extras,AAA tops,carved bridges,more abalone...just saying.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Thanks OMA and twoWheel, unfortunately for what I want to use this for... I need one list.. just a list.. I think I need to not over-think this, but at the same time... Like if someone asked, back in 2000.... what models are made in the USA... You'd respond Elite, Adamas, Legend, Balladeer, Folklore (to name a few) as opposed to responding Adamas 1, Adamas 2, Adamas SMT, Adamas, Melissa Etheridge, Legend, Al Dimeola, etc.
So maybe my question to the hive mind should be... is anything really "missing" from the list that I couldn't just say "well that's really a... with different epi's or electronics or whatever"
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Here what the list looks like with all the models in the model reference... I added the VXT too.
Academy
Adamas
Adamas #47 Re-issue
Adamas 1
Adamas CVT
Adamas II
Adamas III
Adamas Millennium
Adamas Premier
Adamas Q
Adamas SMT
Anniversary (10th)
Applause
Applause Bass
Applause Bass
Applause Mandolin
Applause Uke
Artist
Artist Classic
Artist/Folklore
Balladeer
Balladeer 12-String
Balladeer LX
Balladeer Reissue
Breadwinner
Celebrity
Celebrity Bass
Celebrity Deluxe
Longneck
Celebrity Deluxe Bass
Celebrity Mandolin
Celebrity Viper
Classic
Collectors'
Concert Classic
Contemporary Folk
Classic
Country Artist
Custom
Legend
Custom Balladeer
Custom Elite
Custom Legend
Custom Legend Special
Deacon
Deluxe Balladeer
Double neck
Eclipse
Elite
Elite 1966-1996
Elite Bass
Elite Limited
Elite LX
Elite Special
Elite Standard
Elite T
Folklore
Folklore Deluxe
Folklore Josh White
Glen Campbell
Glen Campbell 12
string
Glen Campbell Artist
Glen Campbell Deluxe
Balladeer
Glen Campbell Model
Hurricane
John Lennon
Commemorative
Josh White
Josh White Reissue
Legend
Legend Elite
Legend Limited
Legend LX
Longneck
Magnum 1 Bass
Magnum 2 Bass
Magnum 3 Bass
Magnum 4 Bass
Mandocello
Mandolin
Mandolin, 1966-1996
Matrix
Nakao Custom Legend
Pacemaker
Parlor
Patriot
Pinnacle
Preacher
Preacher Deluxe
Soprano Uke
Standard Balladeer
Standard Elite
Standard Elite LX
Tangent
Tenor Uke
Thunderbolt
Thunderhead
Tornado
Trekker
Typhoon I
Typhoon II
Typhoon IV
Typhoon V
UK II
Ultra
Ultra Deluxe
Ultra GP
Ultra Solid Body
Viper
Viper 12-string
Viper 1966-1996
Viper Bass
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Location: Upper Left USA | Is there room for the PF Electric and Bass protos?
The iDeas?
I should have kept a separate list of Woody's...
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Outstanding, Miles. |
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Location: Canada | I have recently updated the list prices going up to 2010 where all the models are sorted by model number. The model descriptions could have been expanded by using the master list, so maybe these could be merged. Though the master list is obviously more easy to navigate without the yearly list prices. I also have tried to break up the huge list into tabs of "families". The thread where I posted is here:
http://www.ovationfanclub.com/megabbs/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=46... |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | The Angel Step Walnut guitars and the 2000 limited Walnut guitar? |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Josh white and the folklore were separate and had different machine heads and several years between them. Probably different peghead angles.
All basses were available as fretless, it was an option just like a color.
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Location: sitting at my computer | Mandolins are listed. How 'bout ukuleles? |
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Location: Munich, Germany | The Longneck for me is just an Elite, as long as it is not an Adamas. Otherwise you would have to list 12-strings separately as well. What you do with the Balladeer, but not with the other models. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | We considered the long neck a separate model.
Applesauce came in 6, 12 and bass. Also the aluminum neck US models and the import wooden necks
Vipers were a 1 & 3. And then later as the solid acoustics in 6,12& bass |
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Location: Munich, Germany | The gas station guy is right, as always. Sorry!
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Location: New Hartford CT | To further muddy the waters, there were several different versions of Nakao models... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Off the top of my head ...
Adamas Mandolin
Adamas U681
MOB
iDea
25th Anniversary
Deacon 12
Preacher Deluxe
Preacher Deluxe 12
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | ARRRRRRRgggggggghhhhhhhh The phrase "a good deed never goes unpunished" has never been more true. Hurrumph |
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Location: moline,illinois | Your doing a great job Mr O just let everyone put in there 2 cents this week and add the ones that are truly relevant.i.e.add the longneck as beal says thats a different model but not the custom legend 1719 CM-30 otherwise you'd be trying to list every single guitar IMHO |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | You've got waaaaay too much spare time on your hands Miles. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Were the "books" listed as separate?
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Location: 6 String Ranch | You really need a separate category for the limited runs of stuff, like the books, PFs, OFCs, and the like |
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Location: Jet City | Beal - 2015-11-30 6:16 PM You really need a separate category for the limited runs of stuff, like the books, PFs, OFCs, and the like And synth models, and Tamo Ashes, and wood-topped UKIIs, and Messina Deacons, and Bluebirds, and and and. Good luck buddy! |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | And the wood-topped Adamas models were fairly popular during the road-show era... |
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Location: Muenster/Germany | ...Nakao Elite...and aren´t the 12stringers something special, too?
I believe that a list is the wrong format. I would think more-dimensional, create a "family tree", that makes it easier to integrate the special editions. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | We don't know what Miles goal is so probably hard to give him exactly what he wants ... list of model TYPES?, model NUMBERS?, every possible ITERATION? Hell, you could make a pretty long list of just the different COLORS !!!
I actually thought the way I organized my gallery made sense (at the time) ... shameless self promotion
1. Original series = all the shiny bowls
2. Round hole series = 3 bling levels (balladeer, legend, custom legend) plus the variations
3. Elite hole series = 3 bling levels plus the variations
4. Twelve strings = cross reference from other series
5. Bass guitars = cross reference from other series
6. Slotheads = steel folklore and nylon classicals
7. Adamas series = all of them
8. Collectors, limited runs and customs
9. Little guys = mandolins and ukuleles
10. Stormseries = semi hollow electrics
11. Solid body = all the solid bidy electrics
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Location: Upper Left USA | This is why Henry Ford lost it once you could get a new Ford in a color other than Black.
Stick to the model offerings and perhaps add a string of custom offerings.
Then go and relax by sitting back and gazing at the Christmas tree... wait, is that ornament out of place...
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Yes ... ALL of my guitars have exactly 3-1/2 windings of string around each string post when tuned to pitch. I'm serious. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Tamo ash was just a color, wood top uk2 was only one, as was the 12 string Uk2 and there were only 2-3 Messina deacons. Nakao models were always limited runs probably less that 50. There was one for Meyer too. I would think the break point has to be if it was in general production and offered to the world and showed up in a catalogue then it counts. Limited runs, proto runs, one off and handfuls are in a second category |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | But do they shrink to 3 windings when you use a string tube? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Beal - 2015-12-01 7:55 AM
But do they shrink to 3 windings when you use a string tube?
The StringTube is only used to pull the string through the bridge. You remove it before inserting the string in the post. The StringTube is too long to leave on permanently, it would extend over the saddle.
I guess you could cut the length down to around 3/4 of an inch and leave them in place for good. But the downside is that you'd have to buy a set for every guitar and as you know they are not exactly cheap.
The other idea of varnishing the inside of the bridge holes has actually worked out quite well and has made the StringTubes almost obsolete. The only thing I am not yet convinced is how many restringings you can do before the holes need to be revarnished. But so far, so good. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I have enough to work on I think... although... I just thought of another so keep'em coming..
Bluebird. Now I realize there were several models called Bluebird.. including a 12-String, but in each case if I had one and some asked "what is that" I would say "It's an Ovation Bluebird".
I guess that's the test. For each model out there... if you owned one.. how would you answer (in one or two words) the question "What model Ovation is that?" My list is essentially a list of those answers. |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Standingovation - 2015-12-02 1:09 AM Beal - 2015-12-01 7:55 AM But do they shrink to 3 windings when you use a string tube? The StringTube is only used to pull the string through the bridge. You remove it before inserting the string in the post. The StringTube is too long to leave on permanently, it would extend over the saddle. I guess you could cut the length down to around 3/4 of an inch and leave them in place for good. But the downside is that you'd have to buy a set for every guitar and as you know they are not exactly cheap. The other idea of varnishing the inside of the bridge holes has actually worked out quite well and has made the StringTubes almost obsolete. The only thing I am not yet convinced is how many restringings you can do before the holes need to be revarnished. But so far, so good. Wait! String tubes were real!!?? |
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Location: sitting at my computer | Mr. Ovation - ... keep'em coming.. Typhoon II Bass (i read the original was called "Williwaw"?) how 'bout the Condor (Storm series-like) synth equipped ES335 archtop? Or are those considered Hammond guitars? also, there was the Ocean Acoustic models - a center sound hole version, and another with multi oval soundholes in the bass and treble bouts. (a precursor to the MOB models???) Would compiling this list be considered a lesson-in-futility or an exercise in... mass-O-chism?!  |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | TAFKAR - 2015-12-01 5:14 PM
Standingovation - 2015-12-02 1:09 AM Beal - 2015-12-01 7:55 AM But do they shrink to 3 windings when you use a string tube? The StringTube is only used to pull the string through the bridge. You remove it before inserting the string in the post. The StringTube is too long to leave on permanently, it would extend over the saddle. I guess you could cut the length down to around 3/4 of an inch and leave them in place for good. But the downside is that you'd have to buy a set for every guitar and as you know they are not exactly cheap. The other idea of varnishing the inside of the bridge holes has actually worked out quite well and has made the StringTubes almost obsolete. The only thing I am not yet convinced is how many restringings you can do before the holes need to be revarnished. But so far, so good. Wait! String tubes were real!!??
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Nancy, with all due respect, you might not want to dismiss it until you hear all the evidence or better yet try it yourself.
You can look it up in the archives it goes back a decade. I first stumbled on this when I had an Ovation with a tight low-E hole on the bridge. It was a bugger to restring with medium gauge. So I took it to a local repair guy to see what could be done. To my amazement he simply took a price of 56 gauge sting and ran it through the hole like a mini rasp. He blew away the sawdust and low an behold problem solved.
But this got me thinking that I had in fact seen sawdust on my own strings when restringing due to the abrasion and two long term potential problems came to mind. Number one, would over the course of dozens and dozens of restringings the holes actually get bored out to be too large and less structurally sound? Or could there even be minute vibrations of the string through the hole causing spurious overtones. More importantly what about the sawdust? Could fine fibers of it be embedding themselves in the windings of my E-A-D-G strings and slightly "muting" the tone?
I used to be a tennis racket stringer and we used fine gauge tubing to feed the strings through stubborn racket holes. So I thought, WHY NOT ??? I gave it a try and I was immediately impressed. Could I really hear a difference? I don't know real from imagined, but I was CONVINCED. Other members here tried my advice and some found it beneficial and others found it a bunch of BS. All I will say is this ... it would be ill advised to dismiss it without trying it yourself. You MIGHT be missing out on an almost free of charge improvement in your guitars tone and longevity of its bridge.
Unfortunately right around the time this started to pick up steam and I was envisioning dollar signs in my dreams I found out that somebody and beaten me to the punch and was already marketing String Tubes. Damn it. So I did not get rich after all, ha ha. But I still find satisfaction that I stumbled on this myself, proved it out and turned on a lot of other OFC members to the same method.
If you want more detailed instructions on how to use the String Tubes just do a search or drop me a line.
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Standingovation - 2015-12-01 10:05 PM
Nancy, with all due respect, you might not want to dismiss it until you hear all the evidence or better yet try it yourself.
You can look it up in the archives it goes back a decade. I first stumbled on this when I had an Ovation with a tight low-E hole on the bridge. It was a bugger to restring with medium gauge. So I took it to a local repair guy to see what could be done. To my amazement he simply took a price of 56 gauge sting and ran it through the hole like a mini rasp. He blew away the sawdust and low an behold problem solved.
But this got me thinking that I had in fact seen sawdust on my own strings when restringing due to the abrasion and two long term potential problems came to mind. Number one, would over the course of dozens and dozens of restringings the holes actually get bored out to be too large and less structurally sound? Or could there even be minute vibrations of the string through the hole causing spurious overtones. More importantly what about the sawdust? Could fine fibers of it be embedding themselves in the windings of my E-A-D-G strings and slightly "muting" the tone?
I used to be a tennis racket stringer and we used fine gauge tubing to feed the strings through stubborn racket holes. So I thought, WHY NOT ??? I gave it a try and I was immediately impressed. Could I really hear a difference? I don't know real from imagined, but I was CONVINCED. Other members here tried my advice and some found it beneficial and others found it a bunch of BS. All I will say is this ... it would be ill advised to dismiss it without trying it yourself. You MIGHT be missing out on an almost free of charge improvement in your guitars tone and longevity of its bridge.
Unfortunately right around the time this started to pick up steam and I was envisioning dollar signs in my dreams I found out that somebody and beaten me to the punch and was already marketing String Tubes. Damn it. So I did not get rich after all, ha ha. But I still find satisfaction that I stumbled on this myself, proved it out and turned on a lot of other OFC members to the same method.
If you want more detailed instructions on how to use the String Tubes just do a search or drop me a line.
See TAFKAR???
StandingOvation, it's not fair to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed Nan... 
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!! You guys are GREAT!!!!
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Of course the type of tubing will affect the tone. In order to get the desired effect a polypropylene, the harder the better, should be used. If you can find the tinted stuff it is even better since a black or dark blue will give the wound strings a fuller richness whereas yellows and Reds will be brighter and should be used on the trebles. |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Beal - 2015-12-02 8:31 AM
Of course the type of tubing will affect the tone. In order to get the desired effect a polypropylene, the harder the better, should be used. If you can find the tinted stuff it is even better since a black or dark blue will give the wound strings a fuller richness whereas yellows and Reds will be brighter and should be used on the trebles.
Have they tried Kevlar yet? Very Supple, very Strong! Inexpensive and easy to work with! |
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Location: south east Michigan | And it goes without saying the Fender's take on String Tubes should be avoided. |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Mark in Boise - 2015-12-02 10:57 AM
I recommended using catheters, but the price my urologist charged was way out of line. I then discovered Standing O's real solution. Just buy so many guitars that you hardly ever need to change the strings on any one..
....There goes the Dew again.... LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Well when the strings go dead, sell the guitar. Of course you only need string tubes on Ovations, Loudens and some Taks.
The Williwaw was the single pickup version of the Typhoon. There was never one made. Basses were Pacific storms, guitars Atlantic. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | So while we're on the subject... (and I'm sure Bill X and others are banging their heads against the wall wondering what they got themselves into with all these names).... Williwaw, Typhoon, Thunderhead, Hurricane, Tornado.... all that's fine... then..... Eclipse is what type of storm? There's got to be a story there. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Had to figure out a way to use all the parts that couldn't be used for natural or sb or the see through colors or things that got screwed up so badly they should be scrapped except they were still structurally sound. Sooooooo, paint them black. This was at the end of the run of the storms so it was use up as much as possible and sell it so you don't have to write it off. Maybe that's where Eclipse came from, or perhaps an eclipse is going dark and being all black with bowl paint achieved that. There was also no sanding and buffing of the finish, lower labor. |
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Location: sitting at my computer | Mr. Ovation - Eclipse is what type of storm? Was the Eclipse actually ever marketed as a member of the "Storm Series"?
Although we OFCers lump the Eclipse in with the "Storm Series" because we're aware of its background... the only Eclipse ad I've ever seen doesn't make any mention of it being a member of the Storm Series, but rather, its advertised as its own distinct model. If it wasn't marketed as a Storm, no need to name for a storm. 
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Beal, I guess the timing was off or it could have been named after the last storm... Sharknado!!!... oh wait.. that had a sequel too... |
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I need some assistance with the Master List