High End & Low End Guitars Look The Same
Slipkid
Posted 2007-11-28 5:05 PM (#72705)
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I wonder if the Fender Fan Club ever pitches a bitch about how the $1700 Strats look just like the $600 Strats. Same case can be made for Les Pauls.
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schroeder
Posted 2007-11-28 5:12 PM (#72706 - in reply to #72705)
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No the strats are a completely different shape to the Les Pauls. You could never make the same case for both of them. One or other wouldn't fit.
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Slipkid
Posted 2007-11-28 5:21 PM (#72707 - in reply to #72705)
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Oh... go play your UTE.
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stonebobbo
Posted 2007-11-28 5:39 PM (#72708 - in reply to #72705)
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UTE? I thought he had a Tangent!
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-11-28 5:47 PM (#72709 - in reply to #72705)
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No, he was just off on one.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-11-28 6:01 PM (#72710 - in reply to #72705)
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"off" is an understatement...
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Waskel
Posted 2007-11-28 6:23 PM (#72711 - in reply to #72705)
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It's what he's 'on' that concerns me...
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2007-11-28 6:48 PM (#72712 - in reply to #72705)
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A $1700 Strat looking like a $600 Strat? Heck, the $179 Squire is pretty darn close to the high end model as well, particularly to people outside our world who really don't know the difference. Quality and value mean different things to different people. That is the beauty of it all.
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-11-28 7:21 PM (#72713 - in reply to #72705)
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I always thought the Mazda Miata and the Porsche Boxter were pretty damn identical. Dave
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2007-11-28 7:24 PM (#72714 - in reply to #72705)
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Boxster, smartas.
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colt357
Posted 2007-11-28 7:26 PM (#72715 - in reply to #72705)
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Smart as...who?
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Capo Guy
Posted 2007-11-28 7:34 PM (#72716 - in reply to #72705)
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Originally posted by Tupperware:
I always thought the Mazda Miata and the Porsche Boxter were pretty damn identical. Dave
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gulfcoast
Posted 2007-11-28 7:44 PM (#72717 - in reply to #72705)
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Kinda like the corvette and the chevette...
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Trader Jim
Posted 2007-11-28 9:14 PM (#72718 - in reply to #72705)
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You guys are sick.
(I guess that goes without saying)
The Corvette has different tail lights. ;) :p
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AussieJames
Posted 2007-11-28 9:35 PM (#72719 - in reply to #72705)
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I thought a Chevette was a cheer leader :D :D
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AussieJames
Posted 2007-11-28 9:36 PM (#72720 - in reply to #72705)
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With different headlights :D :D
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2007-11-29 10:44 AM (#72721 - in reply to #72705)
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Originally posted by colt357:
Smart as...who?
Smart as a guy who doesn't know how to spell Boxster, much less compare it to a Miata.
Actually the analogy is a good one. If you want a 2 seat convertible, the Miata is a perfectly good car. For some reason, Boxsters have the highest customer satisfaction rating for sports cars, though.
If Mazda or Porsche made both models, they would compete against each other, something the car manufacturers try to avoid, but guitar manufacturers don't seem to.
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Andrea
Posted 2007-11-29 11:23 AM (#72722 - in reply to #72705)
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Like Budweiser to Theakstons Old Peculiar
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2007-11-29 1:32 PM (#72723 - in reply to #72705)
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That's out of my league, Andrea. And I thought I could hang with the guitars, cars and beer analogies, but you came up with one I never heard of. (I drink Bud Light because it's cheap.)
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Andrea
Posted 2007-11-29 2:31 PM (#72724 - in reply to #72705)
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Hey there Mark ,Theakstons is a bitter ale to be drunk in cosy pubs in the middle of nowhere by an open fire whilst eating a sunday roast and costing nearly $5 a pint
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2007-11-29 2:37 PM (#72725 - in reply to #72705)
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Way out of my league, except for the middle of nowhere part.
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Old Applause Owner
Posted 2007-11-29 8:37 PM (#72726 - in reply to #72705)
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Actually, $1700 Strats DON'T look like $600 Strats. If you know Strats, you can tell.

Fender forums are usually full of "is the American Strat worth the money over the Mex Strat?", etc., etc. The ping-pong ball goes back and forth between the camps.

Roger
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Jeff
Posted 2007-11-30 1:14 PM (#72727 - in reply to #72705)
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Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
A $1700 Strat looking like a $600 Strat? Heck, the $179 Squire is pretty darn close to the high end model as well, particularly to people outside our world who really don't know the difference. Quality and value mean different things to different people. That is the beauty of it all.
It's like visually comparing a Celebrity Deluxe to US made Elite. To the untrained eye there's not a whole lot of difference.
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Trader Jim
Posted 2007-11-30 1:55 PM (#72728 - in reply to #72705)
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Ah, but WE all have trained eyes. Mine are almost pointing in the same direction. :rolleyes:
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bvince
Posted 2007-11-30 2:18 PM (#72729 - in reply to #72705)
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OK ... from one of the self-admitting untrained ... What ARE the Differences between the American, Japanese, and Mexican Strats? (when comparing between the same models)
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BluesSailor
Posted 2007-11-30 3:25 PM (#72730 - in reply to #72705)
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I have a '97 Miata and it is a great car. Very spirited due to its' light frame. Fantastic balance, suspension, and brakes!

Because I don't drive a Porsche, I can drink better beer. I've been favoriting the Newcastle Brown Ale of late.

Blues
(Also known as 01Bluemiata on other forums)
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brainslag
Posted 2007-11-30 3:55 PM (#72731 - in reply to #72705)
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I can't afford a Boxster or a Miata... and I drink cheep beer. :(
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BluesSailor
Posted 2007-11-30 8:14 PM (#72732 - in reply to #72705)
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Actually $5000 would put you in a pretty decent miata. That's not too bad for a car this much fun.
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Old Applause Owner
Posted 2007-12-02 7:33 AM (#72733 - in reply to #72705)
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Vince, the "obvious" difference, the easiest to note, is that the headstock logo is different, and the serial number is on the BACK of the headstock on American Standard Strats, it is on the FRONT on Mexican Standards. Serial number is Zxxxxxx on American, it is MZxxxxxx on Mexican models (this applies to those built 2000 and after).

Also, American Standards have a 2-screw tremolo, and Mexican Standards have a 6-screw. Although BOTH American and Mexican Vintage models have a DIFFERENT 6-screw trem (exactly like the older American ones). The Mex Standard trem is unique and less desirable (less mass in the string block for less sustain). String spacing is different, also.

Neck finish is different....MIA (American) has an almost glossy finish, MIM (Mexican) is much more matte. Fret ends are smoothed and polished on MIA, they tend to be a little rough on the MIM.

Hardware is all different between MIA and MIM....the MIA gets better quality tuners, pickups, switches and pots.

Back to the original point by Brad....only the most expensive Strats are $1700....these are the signature models, like the Eric Johnson, Jeff Beck, and the most premium American models. There are NO Mexican Strats in that price range. The most expensive Mex Strats are the vintage models, which are generally around $700.

The $600 Strats are good.....the $1700 ones are "dream guitars".

Roger
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