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| Anyone have the chance to play one? Anyone here own one? There are quite a few of them for sale all over the internet but the prices seem higher than I would expect... but that's me saying that without having played one.
How great are they? And how many, or how few, were made that they command these prices?
Someone is selling #1 right now for I think it was 5 or 6k. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Somebody here played one and said it sounded really nice.
Ugly as hell if you ask me.
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I've got an OFC2 available for sale for less than that and I guarantee it sounds better than an LT 60. |
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| I don’t think Ovation players were ready for such a huge departure so quickly. The guitar played great and there was some cool things about it. I actually liked the headstock but not on Ovation acoustic guitars. The logo, NO!!! Remember Ovation stood for Innovation and we need to institute that as our Mantra again. Reissues are fun and important but progress and the lineage of the brand going forward is key. Embrace smart change, not unnecessary change. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | What the **** is an LT 60? |
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Location: Jet City | Fendershit
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Phuckit then |
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Location: Connecticut | I've played one, and it sounded really nice. You have to figure it's the same bowl as any other Ovation, and crafted by the same gang in New Hartford. How bad could it be? I even eyed one that's for sale locally for a while. I thought I would be able to get over the headstock, but I just can't. I couldn't pay what they're asking for a Fender-era O with that headstock and the lopsided sound hole. JMHO |
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| Thanks for the feedback and opinions. I might be in the minority here, but I was first drawn to Ovations when I was a teenager about 15 years ago. What drew me toward them was not how they looked. It was how they played and sounded. It's only over the course of time that I have become really attracted to their appearance as well as their sound and feel. That's why I'm super interested in this guitar and not writing it off as F*nder sh*t so easily. Granted, it's a massive change in appearance, and I don't know about you folks but I don't look at the guitar while I'm playing it. You could hand me a guitar made out of handcrafted duck **** and if it played great and sounded great I'd probably fall in love with it, as long as it stayed in one piece.
It's obviously too high a price to pay to find out if I'll like it, and I'll probably just keep saving up for another used Adamas, or dare I say a NEW Adamas (hopefully). But still, given that they are rare birds, and might actually be very decent guitars... I'm not ready to write them off. They were apparently just prototypes. I can't figure out how many they made before the factory was closed down, but all the stickers inside the ones I'm finding online seem to say "Project Number" and indicate prototype status. But maybe that's just marketing buzz for an instrument that was never going to make it, and would never find a place in the hearts of Ovation supporters.
Maybe it'd be a damn great guitar after about thirty years of warming it up. It's probably fair to say that it'll always be one of the rarest Ovations ever produced. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | As I said before...
The LT-60 was designed by-and-for people who don't like Ovations.
The contour bowl is as close as they could get to a wood-box body with a Lyrachord bowl.
They removed the "duck-bill" from the headstock.
They used bridge pins!
It was the most wood-box Ovation they could build without just building a Guild.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | TNG-- We were typing at the same time.
There is a USED on eBay for a bit more than $1100 if you bid now... 22 hours to go.
This is a great deal since they were $4K.
Even though many of us would boycott the LT on principle... these guitars probably sound good.
And they will be "Collector's Items" in the future... to someone.
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Location: SoCal | Interesting, comes with an 8158 molded case; would have expected the 9158 case. |
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| Darn. That's actually in the price range where I would have purchased it just to thoroughly compare it to my Adamii. Sadly, at this point, I've only about 300 in my guitar fund, having just depleted it on a Mill-CB and a great sounding and playing but rather unkempt 1597. You don't even want to know how long I saved up for those two.
I don't think I can get crazy and buy it even at that way more sensible (to me) price without having to hire a divorce attorney in the process. But if anyone wants to partner up I'll throw 300 at a group purchase of guitar most of us seem inclined not to want anything to do with.
It could be like the worst custody situation ever. Four people, shipping a guitar around the country that none of them are sure they even wanted in the first place. Poor kid. LOL. |
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Location: SoCal | Let's not encourage the Fender influence to continue. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | You know, I went to that ebay site with full intention of "taking one for the team" and get my hands on this puppy. For a grand I'd be willinig to take a risk.
As finger hovered above the mouse ... I just couldn't focking do it. That abomination in just WRONG on so many levels. The best investment would be to buy it, destroy it, and put it out of it's (and our) misery. But I can do better things with a grand.
What the heck, could buy it and noodle around for awhile and flip for a break even. But I seriously doubt there is a person on the planet that would buy it from me. It's just wrong, wrong, wrong.
How would you even discribe this thing? It's the carcass of an Ovation, embellished with a f'ked up bridge, a f'ked up sound hole, a f'ked up headstock and a f'ked up logo.
"charished by its previous owner" ... yeah, I bet. You see lots of cherished guitars less than a year old selling for 1/3 what you paid for them.
Sorry guys, I had all good intentions. But unless the trebuchet is still operational, I just can't freaking do it ... |
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Location: south east Michigan | Well said Dave... you're not near a pompous as you used to be. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | xraiderman - 2015-05-14 5:02 PM
I don’t think Ovation players were ready for such a huge departure so quickly. The guitar played great and there was some cool things about it. I actually liked the headstock but not on Ovation acoustic guitars. The logo, NO!!! Remember Ovation stood for Innovation and we need to institute that as our Mantra again. Reissues are fun and important but progress and the lineage of the brand going forward is key. Embrace smart change, not unnecessary change.
"Embrace smart change, not unnecessary change." I haven't played one, but I've heard good things about it. It's just NOT an Ovation. Cutting an odd hole and changing the headstock isn't innovation, that's design change, and changing the design makes it another guitar. Looks more like a Takamine with a bowl than an Ovation with a different headstock to me.
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Location: SoCal | Naw, I wouldn't compare Takamine to this crap...I now have more than a few Takamines, quality and good design. |
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Location: SoCal | Brad Durasa - 2015-05-15 6:36 AM
Well said Dave... you're not near a pompous as you used to be.
lmao.... |
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Location: Utah | Yes it was a cosmetic change, but other than that it should be a high quality USA built Ovation. Though we all loathe FMIC as the money masters who hobbled the good people at the Mothership, the people at the Mothership were still the ones who designed and built this model.
Given that FMIC had totally destroyed the distinction between USA built and the lower design and quality standards of foreign built, the new cosmetic design of the LT-60 made sense. It was a way to re-establish an identity of the higher quality USA built guitars, and a way to entice younger new buyers who otherwise would think of Ovation as being old and stale just because the LX guitars still looked like the same design as 40 years ago.
For $1100 someone will get a great sounding well built Ovation guitar. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | FlySig - 2015-05-15 9:50 AM
, the people at the Mothership were still the ones who designed and built this model.
Wrong. Larry Thomas designed it (and had the balls to name it after his own initials) and I know for a fact the folks involved in building these hated it and only built them because they were directed to do so.
Everyone can have different opinions (I'll respect that) ... but I think all you have to do is keep reminding yourself that THIS guitar was Fender's Ovation swansong. Nothing else needs to be said.
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| Let this be a lesson to those working with an established brand. Small changes over a medium to long sized amount of time. Here's something that probably not many people have noticed. Did you know that the Pepsi logo has been slowly twirling and changing its shape for the past thirty years? In this way it always looks familiar but also retains a sense of newness. Slight twists to the design keep it both familiar and new. The LT-60 is like if Pepsi one day turned their logo into a square and painted it orange and black. If they had only changed one pr two elements in the design, we'd probably right now be debating how it sounds rather than how alien it looks to us on planet Ovation. In exchange for the new design, the only saving grace if it tastes really, really good. And that's hard to tell since so few of us are drinking it.
I'm okay with the headstock. To me, I can accept that new design because taken alone it doesn't depart too much from tradition for me. Dislike the logo (it looks like a logo for a pharmacuetical company), dislike the sound hole, it looks like a drunken wizard warped the sound hole out of spite. Hate the pins. Can't say how I feel about the contour back or electronics because I haven't heard it or played it.
I'm also aware of how picky I can be. If it were available in a different color, I might completely overlook everything I noted above. The color makes it look really boring, like so many other guitars. A nice red or blue... or even gray... I dunno.
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Location: Utah | Standingovation - 2015-05-15 10:31 AM
FlySig - 2015-05-15 9:50 AM
, the people at the Mothership were still the ones who designed and built this model.
Wrong. Larry Thomas designed it (and had the balls to name it after his own initials )
Who is Larry Thomas? |
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Location: Tennessee | Larry Thomas ran Guitar Center before we was brought in to run Fender.
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Location: SoCal | We should all pitch in and buy the damned thing. Is the trebuchet still around? |
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Location: Tennessee | I think the trebuchet succumbed to the ravages of age, however Templeman's boot is no doubt primed and ready.
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Location: SoCal | It would certainly be justified....
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Location: Jet City | An event for the Gathering? We can take it out to Jimi's grave here... A little lighter fluid... I mean, it IS a Fender
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Location: Tennessee | "I love the smell of burning lyracord in the morning". |
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Location: Munich, Germany | For a minute I thought I'd be on the acoustic guitar forum. |
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| It's relisted, starting at 900 now. There were zero bids when he started it at 1000. I can cover 1/3 of that 900 in the interest of public knowledge. If someone fell in love with it, he could just buy the other guys out. If two other people wanted to go in on it, we could do something like everybody gets it for one year and then decide if any of us want to buy it or just list it here for sale with our honest reviews. Heaven help us if we all fall in love with it. LOL. |
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Location: Utah | standingovation
Larry Thomas designed it (and had the balls to name it after his own initials) and I know for a fact the folks involved in building these hated it and only built them because they were directed to do so.
stonebobbo - 2015-05-15 2:19 PM
Larry Thomas ran Guitar Center before he was brought in to run Fender.
Well that changes everything, and a good reason to dislike that guitar. |
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Location: Canada | That New Guy - 2015-05-16 11:55 AM It's relisted, starting at 900 now. There were zero bids when he started it at 1000. That is nuts, I think some retailers asked around 4600 when they came out. Pretty sad actually on many levels. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Put LT in the trebuchet and Phuket
Edited by Beal 2015-05-16 4:14 PM
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Location: Sydney, Australia | cwk2 - 2015-05-17 9:13 AM
Put LT in the trebuchet and Phuket
The guitar or the man? |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | both |
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Location: sitting at my computer | cwk2 - 2015-05-16 5:13 PM Put LT in the trebuchet and Phuket To infamy ...and beyond! |
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Location: sitting at my computer | That New Guy - 2015-05-16 1:55 PM It's relisted, starting at 900 now. The price on that thing is dropping faster than my 401K did when the recession hit. |
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Location: Canada | 10h left on the auction and still no bid ... maybe it will get relisted at $650 ... |
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Location: NJ | I was told that guitar gets the most interest from young players.
my question was then How many of those players reached into their pockets and pulled out 3K to buy one.
no response...... |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | It is getting cheaper and cheaper:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OVATION-Model-LT-60-Proto-Limited-Series-6-...
Down to $713.81 now....
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| Everyone is of course welcome to bid me up. But I parted with an Adamas to bid on this freak. I want to know, you know. Hate all you want, but I want to know. I'm not going higher than the current bid, which is mine, so if you want to run the bid go for it. But my plan is to provide tonal analysis and have some fun with an otherwise despised instrument. Likely, I regret moving my Adamas 1597 to play this crazy O, but let a guy have a shot at it. Selling that A gives me some wiggle room, but I doubt I'll move much higher than the current bid on the LT 60. Sad to sell the A, but willing to take a shot at this beast. |
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Location: Orlando, FL | Wow, there wasn't even a reserve on the auction! Good luck, I hope you get it.
It will be interesting to get a hands on opinion as you really check it out. Just close your eyes and see how it sounds and plays... |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Good Luck New Guy!
It's an Ovation, so it is going to sound amazing! There are just some bad tastes in the mouths here because of when, and by whom, it was made. It doesn't mean that it won't live up to the Legend that is - "Ovation".
It is a Great Price, and if nothing else, a Collectible, as there were not that many made. And you know the Craftsmanship is worthy, it was made by Our Boys here in New Hartford! The end result here, is to make YOU happy. If you are, then your's is the only opinion that should matter to you on it.
We will be waiting for your side by side analysis on the sound and quality!
(I am still wondering where they came up with that starting bid amount.. $713.81... that is just plain odd!)
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Location: Canada | As much as I am tempted by the decreasing Price I will abstain as I am going through a nasty separation and am fighting to hold on to my house and guitars as it is. Good luck and let us know how she compares... |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Sold $880 (not me). |
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Location: SoCal | merlin666 - 2015-05-22 9:53 AM
As much as I am tempted by the decreasing Price I will abstain as I am going through a nasty separation and am fighting to hold on to my house and guitars as it is. Good luck and let us know how she compares...
Divorce --- where your heart is ripped out thru your wallet.
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Location: Sydney, Australia | merlin666 - 2015-05-23 4:53 AM
As much as I am tempted by the decreasing Price I will abstain as I am going through a nasty separation and am fighting to hold on to my house and guitars as it is. Good luck and let us know how she compares...
Been there. Done that. Hard time indeed. It does get better. In the meantime, do what you have to to survive. |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Meanwhile, back on topic ... Was it you New Guy? |
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Location: Indiana | Someone here may have bought it to keep it from being destroyed by folks who hate the company who built it... while some kid somewhere is learning on a POS who would love to have this instrument in their corner.
I swear, we have threads on this forum where working musicians are vilified for daring to leave a mark on their guitars in persuit of their art, and threads where mob rule crys "burn it at the stake", a perfectly good guitar, because they hate the manufacturer.
You guys are gonna give me whiplash... |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Jonmark, you just have to keep up with the crowd: "Over here!", "No. Over there!". Repeat as necessary |
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| I didn't win it. My computer froze up in the final minute so I didn't get my final bid in (serves me right for playing cheapo in the auction house). Kinda sad. I guess I began to want to play it more and more. Seriously, I just wanted to try it and compare it at first and see what I thought of it. Once I didn't win, I got kind of bummed out, so bummed out that I began to miss the Adamas 1597 I sold to have the money to bid on the stupid LT-60. A bird in the hand, and chickens before they're hatched. I consoled myself by playing for an hour or so and thinking about selling some of my non-o/a guitars. I'm sure that LT-60 is a decent instrument. If whoever did win it is on this forum, if you do want to sell it someday, please pm me. In the meantime, it'd be great if you could post a link to a good video with some good audio. I'd really like to hear it put through some paces. I doubt the person who bought it is a member here, but one can always hope to have one's curiousity mitigated. No way I'm even considering the other ones at the prices they are listed at these days. But if someone has one and wants to sell one in the near/distant future. I'm still interested in what many others consider a red-headed stepchild in the Ovation Family. |
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