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Location: SoCal | Does anyone have a template for the Hurricane pick guard? |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Uh-Oh! Tony is going to plug in and go electric!!!! |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Yes |
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Location: SoCal | Problem with the Hurricane is that some players took off the pickguard. At least with a template, I could make one and cover the holes in the wood.
I don't need it to protect from use of picks but more for appearance. So far, never found someone selling an original. Everything else works well, matched finish of my Tornado.
No problem with my 2 1658's, 1659, Jorgenson signature Takamine, and the Martin D12-45. Working on a trade for the 1679 CL (from the 2000 Elton John tour) that I sold to one of my staff several years ago. Got the 6759 from one of the players on the tour...Kim originally said "you know we officially own this" - guess after Fender, I am home clear.
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Location: SoCal | Oh, forgot my 1966 electric Wurlitzer 332 style 12-string; made in Italy by Welson. Only guitar I have see that has a selection of "wild".
And a small soundhole acoustic shiny bowl Balladeer 12-string.
Let my 1688 go recently. May regret later but went to a great guy in Texas.
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I might even have an extra, all I got to do is find it. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | If you have a tornado copy that one |
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Location: SoCal | I'll check it out, thanks |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Tony, do you have a picture of the guitar (the pickups area). I have some, but not sure which storm they are for, but I know they don't fit the standard Tornado or Thunderhead... sooooooo I'm thinking they might be for the Hurricane. |
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Location: SoCal | Had an Ovation pickguard, unknown but two p/u's that the seller years ago had ordered but not the right one. Guitar came in okay but the pickguard broke. Did a little sanding to remove part of the pk, sealed the crack, and ok but would still like to get the right one. This is a pic from google, origin from an OFC'er poster.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | There are 4 styles of STORM pick guards
1) the one Tony shows above which was std on all the first generation STORM 6 and 12 string guitars
2) sometime in '68 somebody had the great idea to include cutout holes so you could adjust the PU heights without removing the PG
3) same version as 2) but for the long neck attachment versions
4) a non-ply rough finish version for the Eclipse model |
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Location: SoCal | Now there is five, the Top Cat Special. However, I will keep looking for an original.
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Location: SoCal | sanded at 1:30 in the morning
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Location: Jet City | Standingovation - 2015-05-02 7:59 PM There are 4 styles of STORM pick guards 1) the one Tony shows above which was std on all the first generation STORM 6 and 12 string guitars.... The very first ones didn't have 'Ovation' etched in. Here's a '67... |
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Location: SoCal | Tornado has ser 1222 with the Ovation logo...no evidence of a serial on the Hurricane on neck, under neck plate, inside label, etc. The pickguard I repaired and adapted had cutouts for two p/u's but narrower distance than the Hurricane guard.
However, as some of us have done, Glen Campbell truss rod covers could have been put on various guitars that merely had a black cover. Wouldn't be surprised to find that some early Storm pickguards were replaced when the newer logo version was available. |
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Location: Jet City | This one is #535 |
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Location: SoCal | My Hurricane has KURZ carved into it under the plate, no numbers.
Damon, I understand the holes for the screws but what were the four larger holes for...not on my Hurricane but on my Tornado (as well as the serial number). I thought at first that it would be to bolt on the neck but the Hurricane 12-str must have more tension than a 6-str??? |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | The four big holes are the screws into the neck. The medium sized hole in the middle pushes against the neck and sets the angle in cooperation with the four neck screw/bolts. Basically you use the hole in the middle as a pivot point to set the angle. The four smaller holes are where the neck plate screws in. At least that's how it works on my Eclipse. |
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Location: SoCal | But the question remains that from what I have read, the Tornado body was used for the Hurricane, yet the Hurricane does not have the screws to the neck. Yet, a 12-str should exert more pressure than a 6-str.
In addition, my Tornado doesn't have the middle hole/bolt that is in Damon's photo.
As to the Tornado, the heads of the bolts look close to the ones used to put furniture parts together (large flat phillips head cam lock fittings). My curiosity does not extend to removing them as the neck is good as it is.
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Location: SoCal | This is why the pickguard did not fit, probably would have fit the highlighted guitar on the right but not the 12-string on the far right which is similar to mine.
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Location: SoCal | Well, at least my modified pickguard covers the prior screw holes until I find the right one.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | damon67 - 2015-05-03 3:23 PM
This one is #535
Tony there were two versions of attachment, but I'll get to that in a minute as they both look the same.
In this photo there are the 4 screws for the neck bolts. The two versions were that initially they were just wood screws to the neck, later they were the standard bolts that appeared on most of their solid-bodies as well. The hole in the middle is for a "set screw" of sorts to set the neck angle. The four other screw holes (small ones) are just the ones that hold the plastic cover in place as there wasn't an actual "neck plate."
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Tony can you measure the distance between the two bottom adjustment screws of the pickups. This is essentially measuring the center-center of the two pickups. The guards I have are notched for adjustment screws being 3 1/8" apart. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Tony Calman - 2015-05-03 7:11 PM
But the question remains that from what I have read, the Tornado body was used for the Hurricane, yet the Hurricane does not have the screws to the neck. Yet, a 12-str should exert more pressure than a 6-str.
In addition, my Tornado doesn't have the middle hole/bolt that is in Damon's photo.
As to the Tornado, the heads of the bolts look close to the ones used to put furniture parts together (large flat phillips head cam lock fittings). My curiosity does not extend to removing them as the neck is good as it is.
They may look like camlocks, but they are regular neck bolts.
When you say "Hurricane does not have the screws to the neck. " what does that mean? The neck is attached with screws or bolts. |
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Location: SoCal | Miles, on the Hurricane under the back plate - no screws or bolts (or the four holes and center hole shown on Damon's pic), only the obvious holes of the small screws that I just took off to take the plate off. No serial number under the plate, just a crude carving of "Kurz". I even took a flashlight to see inside the 'f' holes for any residue of a label. No serial on back of headstock. Unlike an Adamas, there is no access panel so I can't tell if there was a serial number on a brace or heel.
No other evidence of screws or bolts or a serial number which is why I recorded it as 1968 v. the Tornado as 1967 on my Excel spreadsheet. I didn't expect that they were cam locks in the Tornado but they were a surprise due to their head size and flat.
However, as shown in the picture, Dave has or had two examples where one has a separation of almost 5" distance between the p/u's where another has the p/u's closer together (broken pickguard that I modified would probably have fit the guitar with the closer spaced p/u's. It definitely did not fit on my Hurricane or Tornado.)
Under the plate of the Tornado (serial # 1222), there are four bolt heads similar looking to a 'cam'.
I have no idea how the Hurricane neck is attacked either by inside screws under the top or glue. Not complaining as the neck is great even after all of these ? 47 years.
At this point, it doesn't really matter but it is interesting...sold off the Storm bass and the T-Head a few years ago but I have two great examples that play well of Ovation history. Amazing.
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Location: SoCal | not sure if this is correct but the adjusting screws are opposite. maybe this pic will help.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Well, that's interesting. The single screw is supposed to be on the bottom, on both. The guards I have won't fit as they have the pickups nearly an inch closer together. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I'd like to see a picture(s) of this Hurricane as you may have something rather rare. The only way the necks were attached on the storm series was with screws or bolts. There isn't any other option unless at the factory they decided to do a set-neck, in which case... why bother with a cover? Nothing to cover, just for show? Seems odd, especially for back then. The one pickup being flipped is odd too. Also, frankly the 4" on center pickups. 5.xx, and 3.xx but I don't ever recall measuring 4" on any Storm, but that's minimal. The neck mounting has me very curious. |
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Location: SoCal | Guess this guitar is not so strange...
This is what happens when I am trying to fix a Cisco cable box w/DVR while wife bemoans on the phone that she will loose all of her recordings...she has been up north to help our daughter and granddaughter for initially eight weeks, home for three, now probably eight to ten weeks. No consolation that she can find some on Hulu or Netflix. Cox will be out tomorrow but that doesn't help save the recordings.
On the Hurricane there was an opaque piece of cloth or more like a very thin fiberglass piece - a previous owner must have glued on then used something like shellac with the red tint of the finish. Whatever. closely matched the finish of the guitar. Seems like a lot of work.
Looks like he had started to carve but screwed it up, added the above, then carved through it into the wood, carved KOZAY or KOZAV
After I carefully removed it, there are the four holes with bolts and center hole for the wrench...SO NOTHING NOVEL. Even the carving is what Witko did on his T-Head which is why he knew the one he had bought was his one from teenage years.
As to the serial number, looks like there might have been one but he carved over it (or at least where the number would be)...can see a small part of what might be the imprint but not the numbers. Strange, then filled his letters with what looks like wood putty.
Oh well, measurements are right and I was always curious of the p/u's but each works separately or in unison as advertised. Maybe I will flip the top one. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Sorry, late to the party again. I have these (somewhere) and can cut a blank without the ever shifting pickup notch.
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Location: SoCal | Mike, really appreciate the offer. You know I value your friendship and work with the Vipers, Breadwinner, etc. However, although I will keep trying to find an original in good condition, what I have now is not bad. I was able to patch the two broken pieces so that it is noticeable and Dremo sand to fit.
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Location: Upper Left USA | Looks good!
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Ok tony, I found mine out in the barn. Pm me an address and I'll send a tracing. This is from the original Hurricane. |
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Location: SoCal | PM sent, thanks. |
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