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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Well, Mike (Fugot) made it over the the studio today and we played around with the twins and made some very interesting observations.
Also took a ton of photos and discussed some ideas for maybe the 2009 calendar.
It was Mike's camera so we will have to wait until Mike gets through playing with them before posting.
Also, I will let Mike go first on what he thought of the sound and playability of the Twins since I might be a tad biased!
Dave....took photos of the EF75 and EJ417 for your Tak site (finally!).
Jerome...took photos of the #47RI for your site (and of course you are welcome to use the photos of the Twins!)
I only saw them through the camera LCD so I am anxiously awaiting them also. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Nicely done!
Send him down here since Cliff isn't around this weekend. |
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Location: Paris/France | Thank you Stephen,
I'm very anxious to see these pics !!! ;)
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Sorry Mike....I couldn't resist (hope that is ok)
Now BACK TO YOU for the REVIEW!
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Those look really nice. Congratulations. |
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Location: South of most, North of few | I can hear them from here! Congrats! |
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Location: East Tennessee | Nice Guitars. :cool:
I'll bet the 12 string can really sing. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Lookin' really good, Stephen. I'm waiting for the sound review. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Ooh, deep, dark and D-scaled.
Maybe a Springtime trip to CO is in order. When is Springtime in CO? |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Need a black TRC on the 6. I'd shoot them with some clear too to blend more with the p/h.
They sound great though, don't they? They didn't have strings on when I saw them but I know the sound, love my 2080D, the Ovation I play the most. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Actually, the light from the camera made the TRC on the 6 look much lighter than it actually is....but it is definitely more woody than the 12 which does indeed appear to be black.
Hopefully, Mike will chime in here shortly with his comments and reviews. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I suspect Mike is still busy cleaning out his shorts. Dave |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by Tupperware:
I suspect Mike is still busy cleaning out his shorts. Dave Hmmmmm....If I didn't know better, I would think that you had already spoken to him :D |
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Location: Chicago | Holy COW. I just joined the Adamas gang but you could rob a bank with them guns (wait a minute... I think you already must have.... either that or the bank robbed you!) I've GOTTA hear a sound clip from that equipment. |
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Location: Paris/France | So beautiful !!!!
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Location: big island | spectacular, stephen!
so...whatcha sellin', huh, huh, whatcha sellin? |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Originally posted by Tupperware:
I suspect Mike is still busy cleaning out his shorts. Dave Having been in Mike's own basement, I doubt that any other collection of guitars anywhere would cause any more excitement than perhaps to raise one of his eyebrows ever so slightly. Messing up his shorts? That is more like what happened to Stephen and I when we visited Mike's basement. |
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Location: closely held secret | I'll get back to you, Stephen... I'm still speechless from the pics. |
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Location: boulder | Hey now,
First time on computer all day. (that and I just missed a call from some crank caller).
ok, here you go. Take the deepness of a baritone, the projection of a 12 fret slothead, the string separation and harmonic clarity that Adamas is known for.. and you mix it all together. ...........................................You come with a 12 string that sounds like a richly balanced 6 string and a whole nother much deeper sounding 6 string but both in perfect harmony.
What I mean to say is the baritone 12 didn't sound like a typical 12 string. It sounded like 2 extra clear, extra rich guitars. It was so distinctively rich and full and clear (not muddy at all-just the opposite), that if I said It was the nicest 12 string, I have ever played and possibly the nicest guitar I have ever played. It wouldn't be a lie.
I would actually bet $3.5 right here now, that T's baritone 12 is the best sounding ax in the usa right now. (limited to one taker :D ). I am actually serious. Until last year I had about 30 adamas's. Although my 1188, and 1688 are in Connecticut, So I couldn't bring them to Stephen's house. I can't think of one of my guitars that sounds better then the baritone 12. 1187-247 included. Yeah, sort of high praise for the b-12, but You all really need to hear it. From the first strum, you take notice.
Now, my 2080-12 isn't a slouch. And once Stephen tuned it right... it sounded close to the baritone 12, but just had a little less thunder to it, and a lot less of the two guitars at once sound.
Another way, stephen and I were trying to describe the b-12 sound is like this. The 2080-12 sounds full and rich, but the highs and lows are in a narrow band while the b-12 also sounds full and rich, it's highs and lows sounded separated over a wider sonic band. Sort of the B-12 gave enough sonic room for the highs, mids and lows to each vibrate freely. (figure that one out)
And what about the 6 strings. oh, it was ok.......No, it sounded crisper, cleaner and slightly fuller then my 2080. The difference was not so pronounced, but it was there. I feel the slotheads sharper break angle over the nut helps the tone, and the extra string length and bridge placement definetely helps the bottom end and overall fullness (gotta love run-ons).
The bridge placement on the baritones was a full 2 frets back from where it normally is. And stephens baritone 12 string neck is just as cool as magaritas on a summer friday with a hot babe.
I didn't even notice the longer neck until T mentioned something about it. You can slightly feel a diffference, it goes away in about 30 seconds, The neck was comfortable to, no worries.
all those other guitars T has are ok too. :eek: :p Don't get me started on his recording gear....
short story-being a 12 string fan myself, but by no means an expert, i would say Stephen has one of the most distinctive sounding 12 strings Adamas has ever made. And to have a set of baritones. Oh my goodness....
Ovation/Adamas way outdid themselves. The craftsmanship was as good as I have seen out of the factory. You just gotta givecredit where credit is due. Adamas built 2 amazing guitars anyway you look/hear it. Stephen commissioned 2 amazing guitars sight unseen/sound unheard. I believe his faith was rewarded.
I just know I had a great day- and heard tones I had never heard before.
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Professor, I can speak for Mike or put words in his mouth but I do believe the eyebrow was much more than ever so slightly.
but I digress.....and defer to Mike to tell the tale! |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Opps....I see while I was typing to the Professor that Mike snuck in and gave a lengthy narrative much more eloquently than I could have.
The one reoccurring theme was that "Thank God Cliff is not here to deaden the strings within minutes"! ;)
The thing that amazed both of us (as Mike said) was that it did not sound like an incredible 12 string but more like a 6 string and a Nashville tuned guitar that were played together in absolute perfect harmony (with a bit of bass player thrown in).
We would play Mikes 2080-12 (the 1st ever built) and a smile would come over us and we would say "Man that sounds good".....and then we would switch and with the first strum of the B-12 the smile would turn into a shit-eating grin and we would go..."damn..the 2080-12 sounded really good until we played the B-12".
Words really can't describe how stupendous the B-12 sounds. It really is a sonic dream that surpasses any other 12 string I have heard...and not by a slim margin but by a fairly large gap. That was why I really wanted Mike to post his impressions first. I did not want to come off as a glowing idiot who was trying to justify his purchase.
Like Mike said....Adamas/Ovation did this one right...they got it perfect...and then they surpassed perfect and went into the realm of heavenly. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | O.k., I take it back. Mike is impressed. I really have to come see your twins. Way to go, Stephen. I know you waited patiently, and sometimes not so patiently, but you now have a one-off custom pair that you can really be proud of. The B-12 sounds like it just might out tone any other 12 string on or off the market.
So, when does the yard sale start for all that other junk in your closets? |
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Location: closely held secret | When are you gonna use some of that high end recording gear you've got to give us some samples? |
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Location: boulder | Wait till he finds out which guitars I took. they all look the same anyway.
and hey, Professor, It's not like you don't have a gem or two or three as well.
Now if only TTenn and his adamas were there sunday...
Stephen, What is the scale length again? Did you ever measure how far back the bridge sits from a normal 2080 guitar? Is it the extra scale length difference? Or is/are the necks longer as well as the bridge being further back?
Just curious.
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Mike, I am already in Grand Junction so no way to measure till the weekend.
Just another teaser for the 12-string crowd. These are the only two 2080-12's in the known universe! :cool:
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Location: Alberta, Canada | Stephan, I was going to call you a dog, but, I guess it's more like "You LUCKY Dog"!!!
Congrats on a plan that would seem to have exceeded expectation. Enjoy, you lucky dog! :)
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Location: boulder | black is beautiful!!!
I spent all yesterday taking pictures of guitars to sell.....and even though Stephen gave me $5 to say nice things about his guitars, I really want one anyway. (I know you can't believe I would want a guitar)...peace, mike |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by stephent28:
They continue to multiply.....I think they are having sex! Looks like one of them has been up the poop-chute. Dave |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I wish the mothership could have come up with a case for the 2080D 12 string. It would not fit into any of the current "O" cases so they sent it to me is an Ovation soft gig bag.
When you lay it into a normal "O" case, the tip of the headstock falls just shy of the chrome ring.
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Location: NJ | Both my LongNeck Adamas and Beal's LongNeck12 Adamas are hard t'fit as well . . . they're both in traditional, heavy-duty Dreadnaught-sized cases . . . |
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Location: Utah | You could belt sand the top of the headstock off. Or, maybe gut an existing case and custom cut foam to fit. |
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Location: boulder | You notice on my 2080 and 1680 they installed white saddles? Nothin a sharpie wouldn't fix of course.... |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Cliff, the problem is that the slothead 12 is just about a 1 1/2 longer than a regular baritone Adamas headstock.
Maybe if you have time you can measure the dimensions of the dreadnaught case....but Rick Hall kinda made it sound like that had searched around quite a bit for one that would fit. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Oh yeah....length of the 2080D SH Bari is about 46 inches from end pin to headstock crown. |
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Location: NJ | I'll pull one outta' the closet & measure it up. I think they're both the same, but I'll measure Beal's 12-er case t'play it safe. I'll also look for Make/Model, but they're both pretty non-desript (you r'member,Beal??) . . .
The thing is, mine has an AdamasI headstock, Bill's12, an AdamasII. You got that big ol' "paddlewheel" to contend with. That may be a rough one.
F@ckIt . . . y'uv gone THIS far . . . getta' custom case made . . . |
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Location: NJ | Case no good. Not long enough.
If y'don't mind me asking, what made you go with that particulat headstock? Just personal preference? |
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Location: NJ | One o'them big ol' TravelingWilbury cases . . . |
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | It could be worse Stephen, at least you didn't get that flight case that my doubleneck came in. At 42 pounds, you don't want to take it anyplace. Wish I had a gig bag that would fit the deep bowl doubleneck. |
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Location: Tennessee | Originally posted by cliff:
F@ckIt . . . y'uv gone THIS far . . . getta' custom case made . . . Yeah, one of those carbon fiber cases would be the cat's ass for that guitar. Ought to get a matching one for the 6, too. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | How about one of Temp's tribal Planet gig bags? |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Hey Stephen, I saw a case over the weekend that might fit. A guy in the symphony uses it to carry his upright double base. You might need some foam. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by cliff:
If y'don't mind me asking, what made you go with that particulat headstock? Just personal preference? Partly preference and the fact that almost everyone (who has played both styles) universally agrees that given two essentially identical guitars, the slothead version is going to sound slightly better.
and if your gonna build it, have it built like ya want! Based on Mike's observations and continued playing and listening, I absolutely made the right decision. It is like it is alive!
Just never took into account that it might not fit a hardshell case.
Wish it would have arrived in time for your last visit to Fugot's House Of Guitars.....but it hopefully gives you a reason to come back (as if our fabulous singing and playing wasn't enough ;) )!
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Location: NJ | Jeanette's gonna' be coming out again soon (sans Cliffie).
I'll catch 'em the NextTime . . . |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Regarding the case question: Won't it fit in an Ovation Elite Bass case?
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I would assume that Rick Hall checked all of their available sizes but maybe if an OFC member has one, they could check the interior length.
Nice idea...hope it pans out.
Cliff...tell Jeanette if she has some free time, we would love to hook up for dinner. Lia was really bummed that she missed hanging with you guys the last time. |
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Location: NJ | I'll let her know, but I think she'll be staying up in the Mountains (outside of Jamestown) w/bro & sis-in-law . . . |
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