Jap beautiesor what ?
marenostrum
Posted 2008-01-09 12:26 PM (#61836)
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Does anyone knows if these beauties are manufatured in the US ?.....or do they produced them oveseas and sell them only in Japan ?

C2079LX KOA - custom shop


and

C2078LX KOA - custom shop



Riccardo
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-01-09 12:29 PM (#61837 - in reply to #61836)
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That second picture is interesting.
Never seen an epplett design like that.
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stephent28
Posted 2008-01-09 1:12 PM (#61838 - in reply to #61836)
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yeah...I kinda dig guitar #2.
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stonebobbo
Posted 2008-01-09 1:13 PM (#61839 - in reply to #61836)
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I just love those inlaid rosettes on the CLs.
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Capo Guy
Posted 2008-01-09 1:26 PM (#61840 - in reply to #61836)
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Originally posted by Slipkid:
That second picture is interesting.
Never seen an epplett design like that.
Yea but their still "Outies".
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Thanksforallthefish
Posted 2008-01-09 1:36 PM (#61841 - in reply to #61836)
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looks like a modern day interpretation of the Nakao series... probably built as a limited run for the Japanese distributor as they did then.

that Legend looks great! and I'm not a Koa fan.

the outlined Abalone epi's on the Elite are interesting. and the way they do the new inlay work I'm sure it's seamless

those are nice.

Glenn
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Trader Jim
Posted 2008-01-09 1:46 PM (#61842 - in reply to #61836)
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NOT A KOA FAN?? Wash your mouth out!
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G8r
Posted 2008-01-09 1:50 PM (#61843 - in reply to #61836)
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NO MORE GAS! NO MORE GAS! PLEASE NO MORE GAS!

Man, those are purdy! Is that solid koa, or a lam? Scratch that, gotta be solid for the 2078/9.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2008-01-09 1:56 PM (#61844 - in reply to #61836)
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Oh, boy. I'm trying to resist gas on the Tak forum and now these! Koa and bling? That's like good looking and rich!
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brainslag
Posted 2008-01-09 3:11 PM (#61845 - in reply to #61836)
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The top one looks nice... IMO the Custom Legend NEEDS the old larger inlays.. the small ones don't do it for me.

The bottom one would look better (to me) if it had the multi colored wood epaulettes with the abalone trim. The abalone by itself is a bit boring.

Koa LOOKS nice. Ive never played one, but reviews point to it as a darker (duller?) top wood. Make mine a nice tight grained spruce.
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Thanksforallthefish
Posted 2008-01-09 3:16 PM (#61846 - in reply to #61836)
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do the Elite, with the CL inlay on the Fretboard, hand laid contour bowl, and Adamas I style inlaid wooden epi's inlaid w/abalone surrounds like that one.

op pro w/xlr....

Sold!!!

would be my first brand new Ovation.

Glenn

oh yeah... almost forgot, natural oiled WIDE neck.
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brainslag
Posted 2008-01-09 3:22 PM (#61847 - in reply to #61836)
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Oiled.. OILED????? GLOSS GLOSS GLOSS .... with the WIDE skunk stripes.... !!!!!!! ..OR ELSE!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanksforallthefish
Posted 2008-01-09 3:29 PM (#61848 - in reply to #61836)
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and no Koa.... nice tight grained AAAA spruce with the lightest gloss finish they can manage.

yeah oiled!! skunk stripes definitely. ebony center stripe.

Glenn
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geardaddy37
Posted 2008-01-09 3:38 PM (#61849 - in reply to #61836)
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Are you guys talking about a chick or a guitar!? :D
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Thanksforallthefish
Posted 2008-01-09 3:44 PM (#61850 - in reply to #61836)
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"Love one woman, Many guitars" at least that is what the wife keeps telling me...

works so far.

Glenn
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G8r
Posted 2008-01-09 3:48 PM (#61851 - in reply to #61836)
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Originally posted by geardaddy37:
Are you guys talking about a chick or a guitar!? :D
That's what happens around here when we see really good guitar porn :D ;) :D
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-01-09 4:05 PM (#61852 - in reply to #61836)
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Ahhh yes... wide skunk stripes are the best.
The narrow design is acceptable only when the center stripe is ebony.
Then again, a narrow skunk stripe is always better than none.
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geardaddy37
Posted 2008-01-09 4:12 PM (#61853 - in reply to #61836)
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LMAO!
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Thanksforallthefish
Posted 2008-01-09 4:15 PM (#61854 - in reply to #61836)
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soon grasshopper, soon....


GH
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Tupperware
Posted 2008-01-09 4:17 PM (#61855 - in reply to #61836)
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Originally posted by Amazingly-Detached..:
the Nakao series... probably built as a limited run for the Japanese distributor
Boy THERE'S an oxymoron ...
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-01-09 4:18 PM (#61856 - in reply to #61836)
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We're just a bunch of monkeys discussing the finer points of bananas.
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cliff
Posted 2008-01-09 4:22 PM (#61857 - in reply to #61836)
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Just when I thought that the whole "eppaulet"-thing couldn't get ANY uglier . . .
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-01-09 4:25 PM (#61858 - in reply to #61836)
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Cliff.... wet blanket extrodinare!
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Or maybe better discribed as the guy interupting a perfectly healthy guitar-gasim with a garden hose.
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Thanksforallthefish
Posted 2008-01-09 4:27 PM (#61859 - in reply to #61836)
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oooops sorry Tup, I was referring to the new guitars pictured, and realize the N768/N769 was built as an exclusive for the Japan dist.

and I do sometimes resemble the oxy(well-bleached)moron(mind).... ;)

most days are good, this is one of them.

back out to the patio.


Glenn
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Beal
Posted 2008-01-09 4:28 PM (#61860 - in reply to #61836)
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Not sure I understand the oxymoron.

I would bet those are solid tops

I kinda like those eppaulets.
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schroeder
Posted 2008-01-09 4:29 PM (#61861 - in reply to #61836)
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Wet blanket? That's his best shirt with a little post-gig spit down the front.
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maxdaddy7271
Posted 2008-01-09 4:40 PM (#61862 - in reply to #61836)
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Mixed with peanut shavings from the bar...
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cliff
Posted 2008-01-09 4:42 PM (#61863 - in reply to #61836)
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sans-eppis'd be much nicer (imo).
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Waskel
Posted 2008-01-09 6:09 PM (#61864 - in reply to #61836)
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I'm with ya, Cliff. On that Koa, either nothing where the eppis go, or a different inlay pattern, maybe outlining the sound holes. An outline of an eppi that isn't there just looks silly, there's no other visual clues to explain the shape.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2008-01-09 6:51 PM (#61865 - in reply to #61836)
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I don't mind the outlined epps. It suggests the distinctive trim characteristics of an Ovation product.
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Tupperware
Posted 2008-01-09 11:48 PM (#61866 - in reply to #61836)
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Those epi's remind me of tatoo'd on "permenent" make-up. Ugggg.
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maxdaddy7271
Posted 2008-01-09 11:51 PM (#61867 - in reply to #61836)
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I know koa's a nice fit on a solidbody. I'm not so sure about the acoustic qualities.
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marenostrum
Posted 2008-01-10 12:25 AM (#61868 - in reply to #61836)
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I've read somewhere in this board that Koa sound dull at the very beginning but after some .... years.. it opens up beautifully.

What about this one.....

Standard Elite Texture N2778T - 8GF



Have a nice day.
Riccardo
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Tupperware
Posted 2008-01-10 10:57 AM (#61869 - in reply to #61836)
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I think the textured top elites are spruce, not koa.

Dave
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2008-01-10 11:04 AM (#61870 - in reply to #61836)
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I've never seen a blue Elite T before, just light gray and black. Very stunning. And yeah, Elite T's are spruce, not koa.

Take off the epaulets, use ebony on the fingerboard, and put on gold hardware, and I'd consider one for my next purchase. I already know how good the Elite T sounds acoustically.....
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marenostrum
Posted 2008-01-10 12:00 PM (#61871 - in reply to #61836)
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Yes Dave you are right. Elite is definitely spruce. I was mentioned that in the attempt to answer maxdaddy question on sound and acoustic quality of koa.
R.
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sligoman
Posted 2008-01-10 5:05 PM (#61872 - in reply to #61836)
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Without knowing I'm inclined to think they're made in US, who knows? Nice.

As to the exclusivity issue on the "N" series, Ten years or so ago when I got my first N769, a gal at the factory wrote me a letter on inquiry that there were 15 sold in the US, the rest of the 230 or so went to Japan. I still have that somewhere.

So a few months ago, I email them again to find out if they had records as to how many black ones were sold in the US. Got an email back that I would have to contact the Japanese distributor inasmuch as they had no records and Nakao was the sole distributor of this item. Sounds like a load of BS to me. They had the records ten yrs ago, enough to tell me exactly how many were sold here. Who should care at this point?

Just got an N768. God help me find out how many of those were sold in the US. I'm pretty sure this one was. Got it from a guy whose Dad had died and knew a lot of dealers.

Why are they so pissy about giving out information? Afraid of being sued after 15 years? Seems silly to me. John
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2008-01-10 5:10 PM (#61873 - in reply to #61836)
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Most companies don't keep records they don't need. I've defended several that wished they had the records, so I doubt they get rid of the information to avoid suit. Record keeping is a big expense.
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sligoman
Posted 2008-01-10 5:23 PM (#61874 - in reply to #61836)
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I would agree with you in a general sense. We have our closed files in storage and many of them are 30-40 years old. But they have kept records on some of the other models. I doubt that the build records on these Nakaos would fill a cardboard box. Still don't get it.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2008-01-10 5:26 PM (#61875 - in reply to #61836)
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Sligo, if you're gonna have an attitude, get off the board. Have you ever been to the factory? Do you know the people there? Have you ever run a company on a long term basis?

I've been to the factory and I know the people. They are good people and they keep the records that need keeping. Probably when they were asked 10 years ago, if was just after the guitars were built. Now the records are gone.

I run my own business. After 7 years, files get purged. Otherwise I'd be overrun in storeage costs. I keep what I can on the computer but a lot of the records are actual files and after 7 years, they're gone.

Don't have an attitude about things you don't know about.....
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sligoman
Posted 2008-01-10 5:29 PM (#61876 - in reply to #61836)
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Sorry. No offense intended.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2008-01-10 5:50 PM (#61877 - in reply to #61836)
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None taken. But be respectiful (at least until you know them personally, then all bets are off) about the people at the factory. You will not find a better group of people anywhere.....
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Northcountry
Posted 2008-01-10 5:56 PM (#61878 - in reply to #61836)
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I spoke with Rich Hall at Rickenbacker back when I bought my 4080. He told me they were considering doing a research project and have a book printed because of all the tedious questions, they kept getting through the years, concerning serial numbers production amounts and the like.
He has a small staff, like he always has, and tasks like this are a courtesy to the customer but not an obligation. He also told me some of the earlier guitars from the 50's 60's & much of the 70's were all done on paper slips and they are packed in box after box in no particular order. So he gave me what information he had like my double neck Ric was two serial numbers away from the one they built for Geddy Lee and that dated mine at the second month of production for these in 75 If I remember right. This information was only because He had the numbers from the famous musicians on open record.
Rick could actually print a best seller in the music world if he'd let a journalist do this work and take a cut of the finished book. I am not sure if Ovation has this kind of potential but it would sure stop all the tedius questions now wouldn't it?
Randy
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