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Location: Michigan | i was just looking at the rate of new posts and the reply's to them and it seems to me that we are moving more to becoming just a factual dictionary website of ovation guitars for people to drop in and get some fast info on them , which is fine , but
i look at the posts for the last 3 months and see that there are only 128 new ones .
i also see that the highest reply in the 3 months is 78.
there are only 20 red guitar neck posts out of 128.
the zero to under 10 reply's for posts are growing every week.
it seems that the o.f.c. team is getting weaker by the month not stronger.
when this site was rocking and rolling we were having o.f.c. functions all over the u.s.a. with members meeting each other and now none of that is hardly being done , because we don't relate to each other on this site like we used to , messing with each other and figuring out each others personalities and looking forward to meeting them in person.
i know that the site is having a huge amounts of new hits but it seems that allot of the older members post on a very limited basis anymore and i wonder if it because we have become to much of an informational site only.
i'm not throwing stones at anyone or the site just making a personal observation.
i would like to see if we could to loosen it up a little bit and not keep it so ovation factual and throw a few stones around again in this glass house.
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Location: Fort Worth, TX | I'd like to give my honest impressions of this forum. I would like to categorically state I am not intending to stoke any flames or slander anyone. When I joined this site I carried to it the level of interaction I had at another forum I had been a member of for about 8 years. It was a sign business owner's forum and I was a respected elder there, being one of the last dinosaurs on the site who could still hand letter a sign instead of type into a vinyl letter producing computer. The owner of the forum had a "general chit chat" subforum that saw the most action and is where the deepest friendships grew out of. He did not threaten people with vacations who strayed far away from the SIGNS reason the forum existed. We were a tight group and easily assimilated the new people without the old member hazing them first. I'm not saying there is/was hazing here, but I have experienced firsthand some incredibly unfriendly exchanges that I will admit were partly my fault for not getting a feel for the culture here before jumping in with both feet first. Of course, had I gotten the feel first I might never have come back. My impression of the host of this sight al is that he was an internet tyrant who would go so far as to bait forum members, new ones in particular, into pissing him off so they could go bye bye. I have come to see that al's motivation was mainly to see that only factual info was presented on this forum, but you don't beat down a person simply for being mistaken about something. And so I have soldiered on and hung around because you are mostly like minded in revering a guitar I have loved since I was 9 years old.
I'd like to ad my impressions of the host were confirmed by the many PM's I got from other members who supported my views and encouraged me to stick around. I don't feel true friendships are formed here at the level they are on my other forum. I am disabled completely from chronic pain after 18 major surgeries. On my other forum they raised almost $4,000 that was paypal'd to me after one of them when complications went way south for quite awhile. I have formed exactly three what I consider to be good level online friendships here, mostly with bob, a guy whose ouster I loudly called for shortly after joining this site. He graciously accepted my apology and is my favorite member here. There is still a contingent here I feel routinely try to color my posts into meanings I never intended them to have. Possibly I am too touchy because of what debilitating, intractable pain does to your mind and I am the one who over reacts. I know I do it with my family and it is a real struggle for me. On the other forum they accept that in me and I have an extreme amount of support there.
I can't help but notice a new member I turned onto this forum rarely shows up anymore, that being dwgpreacher. He came to my rescue recently on a thread where my motives for posting were roundly attacked and I feel set the record straight quite well, still there was a profound and glaring lack of any admissions of wrongdoing. Not that I required them, in fact they mostly continued unabated after his defense of me. I don't know if he will come back and he is as accomplished an all around musician as you can be and would have been an excellent asset here.
I don't have much insight into what this forum was like in its glory days or if they even ever existed. The PM's I got from a few well respected people here though indicated to me a growing discontent with the direction things have been taking here in recent times. I gave some thought to buying this forum when I saw Miles offer it for sale once for around $20,000.00. If I had, I would have given it a format along the lines of mandolincafe.com with merchant member subscriptions and the like and had ad space for vendor ads. As it is now, I don't see many vendors being willing to participate at that level. I wonder why a forum such as AGF is thriving while this one has the same threads in place week after week that often end up devolving into sniping at other peoples' posts? I realize this forum is one brand specific but it IS populated by a large number of true afficianados of the brand and I believe it should be thriving at a higher level than it currently is.
Given the demoralizing recent events perpetrated by Fender against our beloved brand I can understand a general decline in the level of enthusiasm exhibited here. It had to have an effect on us as it seemed years of effort almost became for nothing in the end. This forum has obviously had a real sustaining effect on the interest in Ovations and that is an admirable achievement in and of itself. You should feel very proud about that. The question is what direction we evolve towards now? The repository of Ovation knowledge here is staggering and there are at least hundreds of thousands of Ovations out there yet to be resurrected out of closets and out from under beds. Well built guitars that will last many more decades. Finding and bringing them to light and having friendly discussion about them can only be a positive thing (such as I tried with the GCS771LX-C I recently rescued). Instead, I was called a racial profiler in that post and had my other thread about luthier guitars I market for an ailing old man who has been building them for over thirty years referenced again as somehow being out of place here. Funny because I've seen many posts about woodboxes here int he past. I didn't feel they represented any threat to Ovations or this forum but will confine talking about them to the AGF forum from here on out.
My love of Ovations runs deep and will keep me visiting here almost daily for the foreseeable future. I have no answer for the OP as to what this forum will become from here on out but I too have noticed something of a decline in it and that is something that shouldn't be happening. |
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Location: Muenster/Germany | I must say that I am glad to have found this site. I love my Ovation guitars, have some technical experiences with them,and sometimes I try to participate with questions or discussions about these Instruments (although I sometimes feel not being taken serious as a real fan because I´m no American..). I am no member of facebook or comparable internet communities, but I visit the OFC daily and besides that I found my best Ovation guitar here, sold by a very,very nice OFC member. The Ovation guitars are so special that a forum like this is absolutely needful, interesting and sometimes even exciting (such as the lately finished incredible restoration of a customlegend). Anyway, I´ll stay in touch;-) |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Yes Dave, the 'glory days' DID happen. They were already in full swing when I stumbled across this place. It was a time when I would've given anything to get to the States and attend one of the get-togethers, especially one of the factory tours. I regularly launched myself wholeheartedly into the many 'frays' that erupted over the years. (I never got a 'holiday' tho'. Not really sure if that's something to be proud of...). Ironically, one of my first 'conflicts' was with the OP, GWB (or is that gwb???) many years ago. But now... I don't really give a sh!t anymore. I keep coming back here through habit, hoping to read another gem, but... A lot of the American friends I've made here I just keep in touch with on Facebook instead. You can say what you want there without fear of reprisal. So, was it the controlling nature of the forum owners that deterred the real 'characters' of the OFC, triggering a decline in site activity, or the rise of alternative social media sites? I don't know. A bit of both maybe. The admin will point to numbers tell you that the site is more active than ever. And that's what they want. I believe that the 'old guard' came here for the personal touch, and in that regard, that side of the site is grinding to a halt. And that's what they want.
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Location: Thredbo, NSW, Australia | I can't comment on the years gone by as I've only been a member here for a year and a half.
But what I can say is that I've benefitted greatly from the advice of many very knowledgeable people about Ovation and Adamas guitars - and strings and many other things.
I've really enjoyed their input and have been enlightened by people such as OMA, Muzza, TAFKAR, DanSavage, Moody et al.
I have a lot to learn, and while these kind people are willing to teach me - then I'll keep coming back.
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Location: Flahdaw | The "old guard" OFC is gone, and as Darrell Scott wrote in his song "Long Time Gone"...."and it ain't coming back again".
What has surprised me most about the last few years is that no one is interested in taking their place. It's like the "new guard" can't stand each other. The old guard genuinely liked and cared for each other. Still do. They relish opportunities to get together with each other at various locales around the country. They care about each others wives, and kids. They worry about their health, and help each other out when there is a personal crisis. (I was never a true member of the "old guard", but I know all of what I just said is true).
I don't see anything like that happening with the new guard.
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Location: Fort Worth, TX | darkbarguitar - 2014-08-27 6:45 AM
The "old guard" OFC is gone, and as Darrell Scott wrote in his song "Long Time Gone"...."and it ain't coming back again".
What has surprised me most about the last few years is that no one is interested in taking their place. It's like the "new guard" can't stand each other. The old guard genuinely liked and cared for each other. Still do. They relish opportunities to get together with each other at various locales around the country. They care about each others wives, and kids. They worry about their health, and help each other out when there is a personal crisis. (I was never a true member of the "old guard", but I know all of what I just said is true).
I don't see anything like that happening with the new guard.
That it a completely fitting description of the old guard in the sign industry forum I belong to and brought its influences with me to this site. I kind of thought of you as an Old Guard member and was very happy to have cracked the nut that is you (literally and figuratively). Surprised to hear you don't consider yourself a member. I'd be thrilled to help become a replacement but alas, the infamous "mattress posting" is going to define me forever here. On the sign forum it would have been received as it was intended, just a device intended to display my personality so people could know me on more than just an Ovation owner level. |
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Location: Munich, Germany | Everything has its time.
And I share DetlefMichel's opinion, that you feel, nowadays, not really as a full patch member with being german. The only people answering my posts or taking them serious are members from the old days, that "know" me from the time when I was posting more frequently. Most of the others read over them.
No problem with this at all, but maybe a reason for us "old" german members to post less. And, as I said, everything has its time. Sometimes it's nice to realize that there is a real world as well.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Things change over time and you can't live in the past forever ...
This forum is 12 years old and having been here from near the beginning I have witnessed (and been part of) significant changes. Some good some not so good. The most amazing thing of all is that the forum still exists after all that time. The same can not be said of many other fan forums.
We (meaning the founders, Old Guard, and early joiners) are 12 years older. Many of us are in far different places in the arc of our lives than we were 12 years ago ... I know I certainly am and can probably say the same of most of the Old Guard.
The brand that we loved is dead. Get over it, there is no more. The first several years of this forum were an incredible time of discovery. Just to peel back the onion one skin at a time and learn what really was the genesis of Ovation. The information in the older vaults is amazingly rich and there was not a single day that I did not learnm something new. Then we went through a period of sharing that rich knowledge with others as Ovation started to transform themselves and bring out new technologies, new models, reissues, etc. It was like one big buffet table. But then as Ovation started to wither away and die, the source of new material and detail started to dry up. So here we are today and pretty much left with the carcus of a once great brand and talk of the "good old days".
Not to be lost in the shuffle is the advent of social media. Internet forums and email is almost a thing of the past. Life now revolves around texting, twitter and facebook which are a much bigger part of my life than being tied to any specifc fan forum. In retrospect Miles was ahead of the curve many years ago when he propsoed to move this forum to a more social media type format (Ning) and many mambers including myself pushed back on it. Old dog, new tricks.
Best advice I can offer ... just turn it all off and go play your guitars !!!
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Standing Ovation makes several of the points I was going to make. I'm not Old Guard, but I enjoyed their company online. And the truth is that I have changed as much as anyone else over the last 8 years since I joined, and many things have been changed for me. One of those changes came when I realized that I spent an inordinate amount of time online instead of in person. Since that time, I have sought more of a balance. I enjoy my visits here and on other forums, but there are other things I like to do as well. I do not do Twitter, Facebook, or any similar online socializing. I absolutely have come to abhor the 24/7 digital leash that so many seem to embrace so completely, and I actively avoid it whenever I can. More importantly, my kids are now old enough that I can teach them baseball and music. We can go bike riding and on roller coasters. I no longer loaf around the OFC whle they take a nap. In other words, life has its priorities. Even so, I doubt I'll stop sticking my nose in around here any time soon. I also have to admit that the factory closing took a lot of the wind out of my sails. I heard the news on the very day I was thinking about launching a new calendar thread. Since that time, I have had considerable difficulty digging up the requisite motivation. It doesn't help that my schedule over the summer has been stupidly complicated. Regarding get-togethers, I have always regretted not being able to attend the last factory gathering as I was out of town. Many years back, an MIA OFC'er tried to put together a small event in Woodstock that never seemed to get off the ground. I would have been there if it happened. I also had a conversation with Kim Keller several years back about factory tours where he joked that if someone fronted the $5-or-$6 grand, he'd be happy to set one up. As God is my witness, I have no idea how serious he was or not. But I'd have written a check on the spot if I had a more lucrative career than social work. Regardles of the sentimental thinking and inevitable doom and gloom that sprouts in threads like this, overall, this is still my favorite place online. So like it or not, and I am perfectly aware that there are some who don't, I'll be around too. |
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Location: Yokohama, Japan | What is happening to the OFC? Because, I live in Japan, I don't know any of you guys. Whenever I get to go to the States, my schedule is so packed, I'll probably never meet any of you guys or get to go to any of the "gatherings." That's just my reality. I've been a member of this forum for less than 2-years; and so, I don't know all the intricacies of the history of the OFC...glory days &/or gory days, etc...but if you want to know "What is happening to the OFC?" I'll tell you "What is happening to the OFC." The OFC just saved my 1117-4 from the brink of guitar oblivion (read trash-can). Whether the Mother Ship is floatin' or not, I love my Ovations; and I, for one, am extremely glad that so many kind and considerate OFC'ers cared enough to comment and advise to keep my 1117-4 singing. |
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Location: Texas | That was then, this is now. I am really glad the "then" happened. The archives of this board hold a tremendous amount of information and data that have historical significance for Ovation that no other place on the web can offer...and it comes from the people that were there. If someone is interested in a guitar...do a little DD using the search and it is my experience that there is a plethora of facts and opinions on any model of Ovation that came out of New Hartford, that can be of great benefit. I am not sure what the expectation is, but this board still helps those in need of parts, opinions on different models, advice on how to fix electronics, a freakin DIY guide to refinishing...etc etc etc In the late 70's, early 80's you could have bought a used 6120 for several hundred bucks...nobody wanted them...today totally different story. Ovation could undergo that same scenario and this board could light up. Who knows. There is still a market for Ovations out there, thusly I would think there is a need for this board. "used to's" are just an old mans' affliction. It is what it is, and regardless of when I came here, personally, I think this is a great board that offers us (those that are here today) a place where we can come and be amongst others that share the same interest. As far as those that came before us...**** em...lol, no I am so glad they came and left alot of knowledge and information about the company that we love, so that we can access that information...which would have been lost, had this board not existed or the "old guard" not participated. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Those of you who drop by daily to read the news should really take the time to go the "vault" section of the OFC. Then you can read and relive the glory days before things became sanitized......that and all the things Dave (StandingOvation) said.
There are hours, weeks, months of good reading for those who care to dig for gold.
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Location: NJ | I can host a gathering
we can go to the homewood suites hang out then go up to what was the factory and hang out in the parking lot, if you wish.
what's the point?
there is nothing to see, nothing to hold, nothing to touch.
it's over.
will it ever come back? I surely hope so but sincerely don't think so.
old guard ?
new guard?
oh please.....
we have been through this so many times over the past 12 years or so it starts to bore me.
yes Miles changed the 'focus" he made it more factual than social.
not sure I totally agree with that but it was not my decision to make.
I noticed miles just bought a catering business so he is probably busy and not responding to stuff as rapidly as usual.
for myself this site is a double edged sword.
I have made many friends some of them lifetime through here.
I have seen many people try and succeed in scamming our membership and I tried to keep that to a minimum even when my name was slung in the mud.
I have been threatened, cursed at, called every name in the book, had my business slandered all over the web and even had to take out a restraining order against one member who lives in the vicinity and threatened me when I was not in the area and I feared for my wife's safety.
so your complaint is what again? the site is not fun? or yup it was tons of fun. so much fun I had to retain a lawyer. so much fun It took me 3 years to get posts against my business off of numerous website.
so Ovation as we know it is over.
yes there are still things to learn still things to talk about still things to post.
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for some that period of discovery and wonderment was 10 years ago and that is a long time.
it is hard for me to get excited over a post about an import AX when I know that my friends that worked in the factory are unemployed and looking for work in a depressed economy in a field that is shrinking.
yet I answer those posts and am genuinely glad that people enjoy their AX or celebrity guitar and hope that one day they too can find a USA made guitar that fits their budget and know what all the fuss is about.
as for the Adamas .... welll we owners are in a class of our own. we get it. we understand it we love it. there is nothing that can replace an Adamas
I forsee them making Adamas guitars in asia at some point. This will truly be a sad day but it has not yet come.
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Location: Denmark | Exactly what is happening to OFC I don't know. But since coming here for the first time it has changed. And it still is a-changing. Some people come, some people go. In and out of this room where Ovation instruments are the topic. Some people drift away while others slam the door. Some people check in every day while others maybe once a month. Thats how it is on every forum I frequent. I hope that it will never disappear since it is valuable resource to people wanting to learn about these instruments and to people who are willing to share their knowledge or document their projects. Thanks from me to all of you. Keep it rollin' :-) Being on the wrong side of the atlantic ocean I have never attended the OFC joints or meetings but thats my bad luck. If we were enough in europe it could be fun having a old world Ovation get together. I (still) have just one Ovation which is not a true Ovation (it is an Adamas) but I am glad and proud to have it and enjoy playing it. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | what is happening to the o.f.c. ?
Fender bought and ruined Ovation.
Then the Factory Closed. 
But my Ovations still get compliments on the street, so someone still Loves Ovations.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I was out of town yesterday, so I'm trying to see what I missed. I still check in almost every day and if I can't, I try to at least glance through the days that I missed. That hasn't changed over the last 8 years.
I probably fit the second generation. The old guard was pretty set when I arrived and knew each other pretty well because they were a small group. Like Dave and Stephen suggested, I tried to read through all of the vaults when I first found the site, but it took a lot of time to do that and keep up with the new stuff. In 2005, Ovation introduced the Ute and several reissues and the 2005 Collector. There was a lot of new products to talk about in addition to old products and plenty of banter. There was always a bias for USA guitars here and we don't have any new ones to talk about anymore. That might account for half of the posts in 2005.
There was also an active connection to the Hamer Fan Club and Takamine Forum, with significant overlap. I agree with OMA that Fender had a lot to do with this forum's decline, but we also had some internal troubles that led to a temporary shutdown of the forum in 2010. Miles tried some changes in order to avoid a return of the problems and participation dwindled. I don't blame Miles for that. Things were getting pretty bad and something had to be done. People left and others, including me, would have left if it continued with all the drive by shootings that were going on.
Lots of changes. Some of them sad to see. Lots to be thankful for, like all the friends I've met or haven't met through this forum. |
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Location: New Hartford CT | 10/4 OMA the simplest explanation is usually correct.
The factory closed.
At any rate, we shall carry on. We are non conformists. We don't follow the herd. We play what sounds and feels best and to hell with conventional wisdom. |
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Location: sitting at my computer | CanterburyStrings - Al said he "had to take out a restringing order". I caught that too, but wasn't sure if it was a Freudian slip or an intentional joke ...either way, it made me chuckle.  of course my fermented mind immediately imagined.... Da Judge: What? A restringing order? Al: Yes please judge, that guy has been wound way too tight for way too long. He's so high-strung, he's snapped a couple times already. And now he's developed a totally unpleasant tone. Da Judge: Restringing order granted. Bailiff, find some extra mellow nylon heavy gauge.
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Location: Location Location Location | Dave Kell, I share your thoughts, and you said it well. I think hosting and monitoring a forum isn't easy. I wouldn't want to do it. This is a well run forum, relatively easy to access and use. I've been defensive here once or twice, got my undies in a twist. Probably mostly my fault. I still enjoy coming here. There's a wealth of information, and the members are usually friendly and generous with that information. I don't post often, but I like checking in. I've yet to find a perfect world. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Way happened? Everything got said, it got boring, Miles threw a shitfit and the Usual Suspects went somewhere else. Then Fender bought Ovation and fucked it all up and shot it in the head. So now it's pretty much a historical place where we can talk about what was. Sometimes I come here but mostly I don't cause I look forward. Most of all the questions have been asked and answered. Been there, done that. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I just got another Composite Acoustics guitar...
Do you think that we could get Peavey to buy Ovation? 
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Hi.. Yes a bought another business, but Lisa runs it, as she has for the past couple of years so no real change. I'm on here every day, several times a day, along with several other forums I belong to. Unless I have something to contribute, I stay out of it. I think I've done that from the start.
As far as the "social" vs "factual" base... Although Al and I have a different view of the the degrees of social vs factual, I think we agree that this site was never supposed to be one or the other exclusively.
I really don't have much to add to what Al posted. People seem to forget that the "hey day" was also a hey day for the scum of the earth. At least two (that we know of) "contributing members" are wearing orange suits these days, or at least they were at last check. Nothing to do directly with the Ovation Fan Club... but they were here... stealing where they could, scamming where they could... oh it was such fun back then... not...
I guess what really gets me about the factory closing is I can only imagine what a gathering would be like today if they re-booted the lines instead of giving them the boot. There are some serious hard-core Ovation nerds out there.. and the wealth of knowledge that has been collected now... what an event it would be. But alas... that's not going to happen.
Most every member now is greeted and welcomed and we appreciate their input, especially if they stick around.
Bottom line... This forum, this website, is keeping the brand alive. I don't usually take credit for such things, but there is no denying it. If the brand ever comes back to the USA, I'm sure this site will be responsible for it, because there is no other place on the web to gauge interest in the brand.
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Location: Utah | I thought things here took an uptick after the factory closed. People felt some loss and came here to reconnect with fellow O/A fans. There has been a flurry of activity on the BFLG page and what seems to be an increase in activity with buying/selling.
It seems there have been more new members recently than we used to get.
With the closing of the factory there just isn't anything new to discuss. No new designs, such as when the LX came out. No new anniversary or collector's editions. No new custom orders. No new factory tours. No new Mothership refurbs.
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | cwk2 - 2014-08-27 7:03 PM
Most of all the questions have been asked and answered. Been there, done that.
Why did Ovation route a shallow section out of the center portion of the underside of the bridges?
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I was in the audience when Tommy Emmanuel gave this advice on learning a new piece of music.......'decide what you want, work it out, and then practice it Very slowly'.
I'm a new-be here (and I like the site), but it seems to me that the new Old Guard (administration) needs to decide what this site is going to be, work out the details/rules/direction, and then hit the Go button. What will happen will happen. |
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Location: Yokohama, Japan | DanSavage - 2014-08-27 2:05 PM
cwk2 - 2014-08-27 7:03 PM
Most of all the questions have been asked and answered. Been there, done that. Why did Ovation route a shallow section out of the center portion of the underside of the bridges?
Inquiring minds want to know! Same scenario with my 1117-4. "Why?" indeed! |
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Location: Denmark | mileskb - 2014-08-27 9:14 PM
Bottom line... This forum, this website, is keeping the brand alive. I don't usually take credit for such things, but there is no denying it. If the brand ever comes back to the USA, I'm sure this site will be responsible for it, because there is no other place on the web to gauge interest in the brand.
My thoughts also. And thanks for running this site.
MWoody - 2014-08-27 7:53 AM
Be the change you want to see.
Well put. Maybe a bit sharp, but very clear. Nonetheless this thread has drawn the attention of many so it has also been (and still is) valuable in that sense.
Regarding the shallow recess under the saddle my guess is that it is there to limit the amount of glue being squeezed out under the bridge in production. This will mean a thicker adhesive film - which mechanically seen is OK with Epoxy being a relative strong glue - but highly reduce the amount of mess on the soundboard and fixtures to be cleaned afterwards. But, as noted, I am just guessing. |
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Location: Flahdaw | Nothing about the site has "changed". It still does EXACTLY what it did in it's heyday.
The only thing that has changed are the PEOPLE. The members have the choice to make it a "fun" place to participate in, or a boring cold dry place full of nothing but pertinent OVATION information.
If you go thru the archives, you'll see that in a huge number of threads the original question was answered, then the thread warped in all different directions...often hilarious. At times I've tried to keep that old spirit alive, but I'm usually ignored, and sometimes criticized. Or maybe I'm just not funny.
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Location: NJ | CanterburyStrings - 2014-08-27 4:01 PM
Al said he "had to take out a restringing order".
What kind of strings?
that was restraining order.
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | cwk2 - 2014-08-28 5:47 AM
They did the little rout for a glue pocket for better adhesion.
Thank you. I thought that was the reason.
Fast-drying epoxy, like what is used on these guitars doesn't soak into the wood and instead needs a rough surface area to form a strong glue joint. |
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Location: seattle, wa | darkbarguitar - 2014-08-28 6:13 AM
Nothing about the site has "changed". It still does EXACTLY what it did in it's heyday.
I think this is true, at least since I returned to the "brand"...just ebb and flow
I read through the posts this morning, as I do each morning and, I find the banter entertaining and informative. I enjoy the many different personalities.
I then go to the Banjo Hangout. I think the forums there have similar subject volume and often as not, similar reply volume. The Underground Martin forum might have a little more replies to subjects but, as here, you read many different opinions...subtle differences and blunt differences.
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Location: Flahdaw | Mark in Boise - 2014-08-28 11:19 AM
I can't change being a Polish lawyer.
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Location: Cicero, NY | darkbarguitar - 2014-08-28 2:34 PM
And I donated my gay shirt to Goodwill, but I'm sure I've got SOMETHING in my closet that'll work
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Location: Des Moines, Iowa | I loved the Ovation guitar from the very first time I saw one in the early 80's and got my first one a few years later, although I didn't even know it was an Ovation until many years later (it was a Matrix). It was only a few more years before I got my first real Ovation a Legend Ltd 1651 that I have now pass down to my son, who plays in a local band around town and tells me he gets compliments on his guitar all the time.
I came late to the group, much to my chagrin, but I think there's still plenty of love within the group to keep the love of Ovations going strong. There are plenty of Fan forums that exist for items or products that are no longer manufactured or created, so I don't know why the demise of Hartford should be the demise of the Ovation Fan or this club.
One of the times I recall seeing how close many of the members were, was when someone was selling a prized guitar and another member that was far out of town (maybe out of country, I can't recall) asked another to grab it for him and that he'd pay him when... (they got together again or whenever). The point being that there was a level of trust between many of the members that goes beyond mere friendship. The other thing that I really liked was the vast storehouse of knowledge AND the amazing guitars that seemed to get shifted around from member to member, with many of them being only the (two-digit number) of those guitars made.
Going back to Dave's comments, which I think I understand a bit because I can sometimes be a bit... abrasive(?) but only in a joking or sarcastic way. Some people know how to take me and some people don't, which I'm betting is true with you, Dave and you were just trying to reveal that side of you and someone took offense and or "fired back" with a different theme in mind. You have to take such things in stride and I've got a pretty thick skin, so I don't take anything TOO seriously unless the situation really demands it.
Since I am late coming to the group, I'm hoping it keeps on keeping on AND I hope some of you "originals" (better name than "old guard" will hang on a bit longer or at least pop in now and then and give us a shot at maybe purchasing some of those super fine amazingly awesome Adamas guitars of yore OR maybe providing that big of knowledge that some of us newbies are still absorbing.
And... if you think it's all gone and nothing like it used to be exists, then let me add this little personal experience. A guy I've never met and who doesn't know me from Adam(as) had read some of my posts about me looking to get my first Adamas guitar, but unable to actually play one in person because there's not any Adamas dealers anywhere near where I live. Well, he lives closer than any Adamas dealers and is actually not too far from where I go with my GF sometimes to visit her mom and he offered for me to stop by his place and check out one of his Adamas guitars so that I could truly experience the Adamas for myself. Now THAT'S the kinds of things I imagine made this place a real nice, friendly, and happy place AND what I imagined it to be, at least from the little bit I gleamed from reviewing posts of yore.
So, I don't think the spirit is entirely gone and I know the love of the Ovation Guitar has not left any of us (or I hope it hasn't), so hopefully we'll all continue to be a part of the Ovation Fan Club, whether on here or just in our hearts... we'll all still be fans - FOREVER!
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I don't get too sentimental on these things...but rather I say it was a great run. As I am now moving back into professional playing...something I have been out of for a long time...I have great tools to work in the trade....not all came out of Kaman Music, but most did.
Thanks Al (sorry Miles - in all these years and events, I don't think our paths ever crossed), Beal, Tupperware, Stephen, Prof, Matt, Cliff, Temp, DBanjo, Playadamas,AJ, Brad Davis. Just think - without the OFC we all would not have gotten to meet - and listen to (ouch) Darby! |
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Stephen - I'll send our track I got to record a while back...took a while since it needed nylons....but I got through it...me and my EA 63
look for a pm.
John...yeah - you made the list too...who could deny anyone a ride after that bass solo?
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Notice how the arrow for the center of the seniors is pointing directly at Beal? |
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Thanx for the pic...
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Location: Yokohama, Japan | Great picture! But why in front of a Senior Center? Were you all having an OFC Charity Concert there, or something? I'm sorry for asking, but some context would give perspective (something that can be lost way out in the farthest eastern corner of the world)! Thanks! |
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An Ovation player since he late 70es, I crossed some decades of electric craze, but always kept a few roundbacks in my closet for some nightime good vibrations.
Being an avid (pathologic?) collector who turned his main hobby in a job (I am the publisher of ACCORDO.IT, the main Italian source of information about guitars and musical instruments) I had the opportunity to meet some guitar guys, so I could conquer the privilege to become the caretaker of some special guitars, including the Gold-Bill Kaman and Blue Boy-Jol Dantzig guitars.
When I turned 60 years old, I realized that I could not keep acting like a kid with a Telecaster anymore (and playing in a band becomes more complicated if you are not a pro). So I went back to acoustics and the Ovation-GAS started again in my blood. I fount Jerome's website and OFC are both outstanding sources of information about the glorious (and truly American) kaman story. And OFC is also an awesome meeting point to buy and sell guitars.
So, if OFC is slower than before, it's no problem: it's the logic of the Net, OFC was born before the social thing (interacting on FB is sooooo much easier), but this is no problem. OFC is the main archive of information about Ovation guitars (an America tradition that MUST NOT be lost because of a few incompetent managers) and this is the main role, together with the classified section (always alive and well). Chatting about guitars can be fun, but we can do it elsewhere.
So: "keep calm and play an Ovation" :-)
PS: the picture is awesome.
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Location: Italia, Zianigo di Mirano (Venezia) | abiraghi - 2014-08-31 11:05 AM
.........So, if OFC is slower than before, it's no problem: it's the logic of the Net, OFC was born before the social thing (interacting on FB is sooooo much easier), but this is no problem. OFC is the main archive of information about Ovation guitars (an America tradition that MUST NOT be lost because of a few incompetent managers) and this is the main role, together with the classified section (always alive and well). Chatting about guitars can be fun, but we can do it elsewhere.
So: "keep calm and play an Ovation" :-)
PS: the picture is awesome. Also I fully endorse...
however, I am always there...
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Location: Phoenix AZ | arumako - 2014-08-30 11:29 PM
Great picture! But why in front of a Senior Center? Were you all having an OFC Charity Concert there, or something? I'm sorry for asking, but some context would give perspective (something that can be lost way out in the farthest eastern corner of the world)! Thanks!
We were doing a gig next door an a photo with the Senior Center sign was too appropriate to pass up.
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Yes, it was a benefit show for MS at Walsh's General Store in Falls Village. And a great time was had by all (except Weaser).
Edit: And I see Dave beat me by seconds...
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Location: Colorado | Since StandingOvation posted a reflection of the old guard..here is a set of 3 that tends to tie us all together....sorry for the link, I'm not real good with the posting of photos here...if one of you wants...grab them and put them up here.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1440002466252339/1476639592588626/?c...
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Location: Phoenix AZ | immoody - 2014-08-31 10:44 PM
And yet, you sold it....
You know Paul, for a P.I. you sometimes ain't too precise in your analysis. Or maybe you just don't read real good ...
I SAID it was my favorite ADAMAS 12 string ever. I did NOT say it was my OVERALL favorite 12 string ever.
That honor would go to the Guild F412. So when I made the decision to keep only one 12 string, the Adamas was the one to go. I know that probably pains you into screetching like a cat in a radiator fan, but thems the facts.
Now why don't you go catch some bad guys. Only shoot is their hands are already up.
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Now why don't you go catch some bad guys. Only shoot if their hands are already up.
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Me and Arthur could fix it...
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Thanks Brad for posting the pics here...
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I'm still trying to figure out string tubes!
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or, at least repaint it.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Been thinking about a lot of the responses and I there is an overlooked point...
Before the OvationFanClub.com, information on Ovations as a whole was next to nothing.. Online, offline, outa-line.. whatever... There are books upon books about every guitar out there. There's ONE book on Ovation guitars, only some of them, for some years, and it's at best "mostly" accurate.
While the audience has relatively stayed the same, a factor in the participation during the first 5 years was simply there was FINALLY a place to find out about Ovation guitars. Even many of the other sites for other brands that have stood the test of time are full of "conjecture" where for the most of the first 5 years some of the people actually responsible for building and designing the guitars were prodding and nurturing each others memories and dusting off brain cells to get info that was thought to be lost.... or no one even knew existed in the first place.
Out of that lust for info came the http://ovationtribute.com/ site to collect as much hard info as possible and they've done an unbelievable job in that.
My point is.. there was essentially nothing before. It's only logical that at some point, one would hope, that we got most of the stories out there. Amazingly, there are still NEW stories, but back then, it was ALL new and almost every topic was information that most people never know about, and had no way to learn before.
Now, with the closing of the factory, we have become the stewards of the information. While you can't have one without the other, I think it's fare to say that "collecting" information is important, but maintaining it becomes a larger and maybe more important role.
Even I cannot overlook the important social aspect of this site, but lets face it... after around a half a million posts, there's not a lot of "new" jokes to be told or experiences to share..... or are there??? Ahhh that's up to you. Yes you, whomever you are. The closing of the Factory means a club gathering can be ANYWHERE, ANYTIME someone decides it's been too long apart. It will take awhile, some wounds of the factory closing will have to heal, but I have confidence that there will be people getting together, maybe in small groups at the start... but there will be "gatherings" again.
Thanks to Facebook and whomever started the Ovation Guitar Collectors page, there are new people learning about Ovation for the first time every day, maybe now more then ever before. As that picks up even more, they're going to need folks like us to help them along.
Yes indeed, "what is happening to the o.f.c.?" it's preparing for the next wave. Don't know what it looks like, how big it will be, and if it's part of a series or just a one-off, but it's coming, and we'll be hang'n out at the beach with a welcome mat and a cold beverage to hear their stories.
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It first aired in 1963 and ran continuously until 1989 when it was cancelled.
It was re-launched in 2005 and has come back, stronger than ever, earning a whole new generation of fans.
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Even I cannot overlook the important social aspect of this site, but lets face it... after around a half a million posts, there's not a lot of "new" jokes to be told or experiences to share..... or are there??? Ahhh that's up to you. Yes you, whomever you are.
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | mileskb - 2014-09-05 10:21 AM
Doctor Who is the longest continually running show on Television. It has been "on the air" for 50 years, in rotation, somewhere. So my fellow Whovians... in which episode did an Ovation guitar appear. And yes, there was one.
I don't know because The Doctor is not on cable here.  But I would guess it is Matt Smith because he is the coolest Doctor ever. I never thought anyone could top Tom Baker, but Matt did it.
One of my students is a Whovian too and she made me a scarf. It's 17 feet long and the right colors too. |
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Location: sitting at my computer | mileskb - So my fellow Whovians... in which episode did an Ovation guitar appear. And yes, there was one. gee, I missed that episode.  Were there Daleks with Fender bumper stickers yelling ..."Exterminaaaate!" ?? |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | mileskb - 2014-09-04 9:21 AM
...in which episode did an Ovation guitar appear?
Good question. I've watched almost every episode, but don't recall ever seeing a guitar,let alone an Ovation guitar.
Was it an episode from the old show or the new one? |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | CanterburyStrings - 2014-09-04 10:47 AM One of my students is a Whovian too and she made me a scarf. It's 17 feet long and the right colors too. Lucky you. I tried for years to find a Dr Who scarf or even someone who could make it for me. Never had any luck. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | They sell some online. Just google it and you'll see some famous sites that sell them. Just be careful when ordering because most of them are WAY too short.
My Mom made me one years ago, back in the late 70's or early 80's, but somehow when I moved it was misplaced. I'm STILL looking for it. But at least now I have one again. |
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Location: Mexico City | What´s happening to the forum? As an owner of a forum for 10 years in a different niche than guitars, I experienced the same. My guessing, is all traffic is going to socialmedia, so making the forum media friendly will help. Like upgrading to Vbulletin. Like having an app. The other reason, the brand is not living its better times. But the new added socialmedia functionality will help the communication between the thousands of Ovation faithful lovers, as me. |
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| Not having read all of the posts and being a newbie here but who's seen other forms I'll offer my observation.
First, Ovation is basically ONE manufacturer. AGF has sponsors and craftsmen who participate across many lines. It's hard to compete with Martin, Taylor, Guild, Gibson, etc….etc…and independent private builders, parts suppliers with one company…..Ovation. And then of course it looks, from what I've read, that no more Ovations will be manufactured in the USA. I guess Ovation is having a tough time competing with Rainsong and a few of the others.
Then look at the price of an Adamas. The guitars on ebay range from over $2700 to almost $7000 and the lowest new USA Ovation guitar is $3200! One can purchase a USA made Martin MMV dread for less than $1500 and the 000-MMV for $1620. Martin, who has been around for more than 100 years, sells an almost all wood guitar(some Richlite wood product) made in the USA for almost half of what Ovation sells a composite USA made guitar for. That makes it very difficult to compete. Perhaps Ovation needs to look at offering a more traditional looking composite body with a wood top I don't know. JMHO. BTW, this site is a great source of Ovation info and knowledgable owners. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Gorquin... Yes, the AGF attracts more people because it is not Brand Specific.
But to really have brand loyalty there must be something different about your product.
Ovations are Different.
The Ovation USA Factory was closed by closed-minded bean-counters for lack of profit margin.
Those same bean-counters would close the Martin factory if Fender owned it, or at least cut wages.
My buddy "Larry" owns (and plays) a Martin that cost $35,000 (in the 1990's).
And there is nothing fancy about that particular guitar.
But it is made out of Old Wood that Martin had been saving for posterity.
Some one once pointed-out that Ovation sold every guitar that was ever made at New Hartford.
Now... some Dealers may still have Ovations in their possession... But they aren't in Ovation's warehouse.
Adamas guitars were competitively priced for the materials used to make them.
Composite Acoustics cheapest model (Cargo) runs $900 New. $1000 with electronics, $1200 with color.
Other CA guitar prices quickly get up around $3000 or more.
Rainsong guitars cost more than CA's from the start.
A new Celebrity can cost $200. While an Adamas is listed for $6000 on eBay.
But you get what you pay for.
Also, you make what you Want to make.
Charlie Kaman opened the Ovation Factory to make round-back guitars.
He could have chosen to made clones of Martins like everyone else does.
But that would not have been the guitar that was on concert stages through-out the 70's.
But there would not be an Ovation Fan Club for just another wood-box guitar.
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Location: south east Michigan | We've slooooowed down.
Gorquin posts at 8 am.... the next post on the site is a full 7 hours later.
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Location: sitting at my computer | Brad Durasa - We've slooooowed down. Well of course! We been busy ...searchin' through old Dr. Who episodes. still haven't spotted that Ovation cameo |
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Location: Flahdaw | Brad Durasa - 2014-09-10 6:05 PM
We've slooooowed down.
Gorquin posts at 8 am.... the next post on the site is a full 7 hours later.
Shows how little we care... |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Brad Durasa - 2014-09-10 3:05 PM
We've slooooowed down.
Gorquin posts at 8 am.... the next post on the site is a full 7 hours later.
I didn't get-up until Noon.
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| I wouldn't buy a Rainsong guitar because I didn't see any I liked with a 1 11/16" nut that I could compare to an Ovation. On the flip side, most Ovations do come with that nut size. I'm in the minority. That closes the door for a lot of people because they may not offer a lot of models with wider nut widths.
I don't know if all Rainsong guitars are made in the USA but the low end model sells for about $1500…..the low end Ovation….$3200. How does Rainsong make a profit selling a guitar at 1/2 of what Ovation does? Different guitars? Yes. Different manufacturing process? Yes….I can't blame the Fender "Bean Counters" for halting US production if it's not making money, after all companies as well as individuals need an ROI.
Yes, Ovation can make what they want but if they can't make enough money doing that perhaps they need to look at making changes. I'm sure they had to redesign and retool when the came out with the Adamas line, why not do the same to stay afloat and be more competitive and profitable?
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | alberto, we remove the spam daily. It's not done with a robot, it's human and they use random IP addresses and emails from around the world. They can only post it in the welcome center, so we ban'em and delete'em. For fun, if you have noticed, I turned the word filter on to change certain text they use to words about Ovations. Doesn't really have an affect, but it makes me smile. Anyway, it just comes with the territory. It's has been a daily thing for some time. I have thought of adding a captcha to add an extra step, but that would impede real users as well, so until such point that I or Al get bored clicking the delete key... it's just noise... |
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Location: Milano, ITALY | Ok got it now, I didn't notice the messages were different. Thank you for your great work!
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Retirement keeps me very busy and away from my computer more these days, so I only visit once in awhile. I have been playing much more, in several bands of late, and that's what it is really all about, playing and enjoying guitars. Stephen, if you put something together locally, I'd be in if invited. |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | Hey Stephen - here you go:
http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/f0dd/?srp=1
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Location: Flahdaw | nerdydave - 2014-09-19 1:00 AM
Me come if nerds allowed. See the post above yours..... 'nuff said...
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Location: south east Michigan | Mr WeaserP - 2014-09-18 8:38 PM
Me2!
yeeeeah... riiiight,
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | Hi Guys!
'Just stopped by to look in and see if the OFC was still going. I've been pulled away for some time, after going from 5 people at work, to myself and one other, I've been averaging 11-12 hours a day. Then my mother came down with Leukemia, which took me into another direction altogether. She passed away this year, and I've been reeling ever since. Still have my two favorite Ovations of all time, and I'm playing regularly in the church band. Im so busy, I don't ever know whether I'm coming or going these days. I hope to retire next yea and spend more time doing the things I love the most...Hanging out with my girl (wife of 34 years) and playing guitar. THEN I can also spend more time checking in here. It's good to see some familiar names still. |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | My condolences about your Mom Vince. It's good to see you back. |
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Location: Tennessee | Nice to see you, Vince. We're getting to that point in life when too many sucky things start happening. Fortunately, playing guitar eases the burden and the pain. Keep striving for more guitar and girl time! |
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what is happening to the o.f.c. ?