Posted 2014-06-22 6:19 AM (#487926) Subject: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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Location: Fort Worth, TX
Let me state first a skimming of the rules revealed nothing to me about this type post being verboten. If however, I am wrong please delete it and don't give me a gold star today.
I traded the last new O I bought to a member here, dwgpreacher for a dread made by a retired college professor in Denver who is 72 years old and has been building over thirty years. dwgpreach gave me contact info for the professor as I had some questions about the guitar. Over the course of a few months we emailed each other back and forth almost every week. I eventually had him build me a replica of the Lawrence Juber signature Martin OM with Adi/flamed maple wood combo, just like the first LJ Martins. It is an awesome and beautiful guitar. I eventually asked him if he would be building anymore dreads and he said probably not. Well, a few months back he came into possession of some ancient Gibson blueprints and told me he was going to build a series of five 12 fret slothead dreads. I immediately reserved the first one and have had it a few months now. I won't bore you with my laundry list of superlatives to describe this guitar but suffice it to say I am incredibly pleased with it.
While emailing him I learned he despised the process of dealing with people to sell his builds which were all totally speculative as he refuses to take custom orders. I told him I spent my lifetime self employed as a signpainter and have no trouble with selling and offered to market his guitars for him. He immediately took me up on it and so far I have sold I have sold 6 or 7 new guitars for him online. A few of the new owners are on a waiting list who requested to be able to buy a second guitar of his whenever it became available. So far everyone has been blown away by the guitar they get at the price I am selling them for. His name is Dr. Jonathan Conant. I have posted extensively about him on the AGF forum, as have a few new owners if you want to research anything about him. He insists he now is building for love of the craft and refuses to profit from it. This makes for some ridiculously cheap luthier built guitars as he ships them to me for his material cost only and lets me put a small markup on them. I have had another luthier here appraise one of his guitars and he said the craftsmanship level under the hood on the top bracing is usually only found on the priciest Martins. That may be why all of his guitars so far have had incredible sustain.
I am mentioning it here since I have two of the soon to be remaining dreads that will be available to sell. If I am not violating any rules here, I'd like to keep the discussions off the board since homage is paid only to O's here. Once I find out if this thread is legal I will post an email addy I use just for this purpose and we can go from there. As a pricing example, I generally sell most of his guitars around the $700 range with buyer paying shipping. You have to agree to a no return policy as I send the money off to him right away and have promised him I will never ask for a refund to keep him out of having to sell these himself. I have, however, demo'd a couple of them on Skype and provide a detailed description of each guitar before sending it off. There has been nothing but voluminous praise for the guitars from new owners so far and I fully believe I could get a few thousand for these but Dr. Conant wants me to keep the price low enough someone can get a luthier built guitar for the price of a mid level import at.
Well, that's it. I'll post my email as soon as this post is either approved or deleted and sell the remaining two on a first come first served basis as I always have. Thanks. Oh, by the way, a few people have said the pics I posted on AGF look like a Martin/Gibson hybrid guitar.
Posted 2014-06-23 11:29 AM (#487971 - in reply to #487960) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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alpep - 2014-06-23 9:12 AM
ehhhhh
send me the money for a guitar you cannot see or even have an input as to what or how it is built and no refunds?
that sounds fishy to me dave
I'd feel the same way. It is an arrangement requirement I have with the luthier who is an eccentric 72 year old retired professor. Out of seven I have sold so far I haven't received anything but positive reviews. As I said, I demo them on Skype for anyone who wants to hear them first. I tried to tell this guy I could get two grand for these guitars but he refuses to profit from them. He said "I build them to build them not to sell them". In fact, he told me if I ever receive one of his guitars and know a fledgling guitarist who can't afford a decent guitar to just give it to him. A guy down in Houston I sold a size 0 to is getting number two of the 12 fretter dreads. He asked me if he could make the trip to Denver to pick it up himself and meet the builder. I asked the guy and he said yes, but he will still have to negotiate the price with me. As for no input on the build, he refuses to take spec requests because it puts too much pressure on him and defeats the purpose of why he builds them. I describe details down to barely visible sanding swirls so everyone knows precisely what they are getting.
And Bob, Duane was long dead by the time I was on an Allman Bros bus. We are speaking strictly of Greg who is definitely no angel.
Posted 2014-06-23 4:25 PM (#487977 - in reply to #487926) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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If you're the distributor/seller, and he's 'allowing' you to mark up to make some money, I would think YOU'RE the one setting the 'no refund' policy as you would be the person I'd ask if I wanted a refund.
I second Al's comment, with an added sounds like "BS" to me. How can you in good conscience offer up an untested and unknown brand with a zero return policy? I myself wouldn't jump at an offer like that from anyone I knew, let alone an internet stranger.
Good luck with your spamming. If it were up to me, I would have deleted this post from the start.
Posted 2014-06-24 5:34 AM (#488001 - in reply to #487977) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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Location: Fort Worth, TX
damon67 - 2014-06-23 4:25 PM
If you're the distributor/seller, and he's 'allowing' you to mark up to make some money, I would think YOU'RE the one setting the 'no refund' policy as you would be the person I'd ask if I wanted a refund.
I second Al's comment, with an added sounds like "BS" to me. How can you in good conscience offer up an untested and unknown brand with a zero return policy? I myself wouldn't jump at an offer like that from anyone I knew, let alone an internet stranger.
Good luck with your spamming. If it were up to me, I would have deleted this post from the start.
*click*
I am so sorry you feel this way. I actually don't feel like a stranger on internet forums I frequent. In fact, on one of them many people I've never met raised over a five thousand dollar donation for me after one of my 18 major surgeries that left me disabled for a number of months. AS far as an untested unknown brand, are you even remotely aware of how many luthiers are in the world selling guitars nobody has ever heard of? I happen to have found one with over thirty years of building experience and seven buyers so far have thanked me profusely for sending them one of his instruments. Two of them want another one. My conscience is very clear on the no return policy I did indeed set myself. My finances are extremely limited being on a total disability income. I immediately send the payment for each guitar sold to Dr. Conant the day I receive it as per our agreement to keep him from having to deal with buyers. If you don't like the arrangement I guess you won't be requesting info on the remaining dreads I am selling for a fraction of their value as instruments that in my case will become two family heirlooms I will pass on to my sons. An experienced luthier here already appraised them as having craftsmanship on a par with thirty grand Martins. I'm guessing you missed that part of my first post and only wanted to jump in and agree wholeheartedly with Al and add a bit of venom of your own.
Posted 2014-06-24 6:57 AM (#488004 - in reply to #488003) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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Location: Fort Worth, TX
jamesholl - 2014-06-24 6:26 AM
If you already have two to sell and you have two previous customers who want to buy another one why are you advertising here??
They want OM's identical to the Lawrence Juber Martin repro I have. In fact, I am thinking of selling mine to one of them to buy another O I have my eye on. These people each bought one of the series of size 0's Dr. Conant did recently.
Posted 2014-06-24 7:59 AM (#488005 - in reply to #487926) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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Location: NJ
In the past we have donated for guitars that were suppose to be ovations and wound up being other brands.
we have provided guitars for members in need that were not in need.
we have bought guitars for over value because a member was in need or ill or a family member was ill.
we supplied instruments for people that claimed they were musicians in need of instruments.
NOT ONE
NOT ONE!!!!!!!!
NOT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
of these individuals posted past the time they got their instrument.
so forgive me if I am skeptical of someone wanting to collect money for an instrument that someone cannot see hear touch taste with a no refund policy.
In fact we had another guy from texas that stole THOUSANDS of dollars from members and wound up in jail for credit card fraud.
so
without any sort of guarantee warranty picture video etc of the instrument someone is purchasing I would absolutely have to caution people from buying them.
are there hundreds of independent luthiers out there? yes
do we know of all of them? no
do they build nice guitars? sure why not?
have I played guitars from independent luthiers that were great? yes
Have I played bad ones or less than stellar ones? yes
the problem is not every guitar is great even from martin, gibson, trailer, breedlove, goodhall, etc etc etc.
sure you may just be wanting to turn people on to a good deal. but this guy can be relabeling made in china guitars also and no one would really know would they?
I am just a skeptical guy from NJ
when someone tells me it is too good to be true guess what it is probably too good to be true
Posted 2014-06-24 8:20 AM (#488007 - in reply to #487926) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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Not to jump into the fray, Dave, but you have to realize the weight of yarn that's being spun here. Let's take one line for instance - "An experienced luthier here already appraised them as having craftsmanship on a par with thirty grand Martins."
$30 GRAND MARTINS? That's pretty high praise for pretty much ANYone, isn’t it? I don’t see many Collings, Santa Cruz, Olson, Huss & Dalton, Bourgeois, et al guitars in that range unless they’re sporting some REALLY well aged Braz. I'm sure these are very nice guitars but building them up that high and telling everyone "you can see them online but no returns/no refunds" is crazy.
Reverse it for a second - if I told you that I knew a guy who built cars on par with Ferrari's and you could have one for $10k BUT you can't drive it beforehand and no refunds or returns, would you be taking that leap of faith? I think not.
Posted 2014-06-24 9:39 AM (#488010 - in reply to #488007) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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Mr WeaserP - 2014-06-24 9:20 AM
...but you have to realize the weight of yarn that's being spun here.
That's a very descriptive phrase that I hope to remember to use some day.
.
And Wease makes all the valid points as well.
Well Dave... by now you're probably thinking of the old saying.. "no good deed goes unpunished".
I think you're intentions were good.
.
It seems that before you even posted you had a inkling that it might not pass muster.
May I suggest that next time, you first e-mail the post to Miles and Al for their opinion.
Posted 2014-06-24 12:09 PM (#488015 - in reply to #488007) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
Joined: January 2009 Posts: 1249
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I drive a Ferrari and I am not going to buy one.
All great points. The problem Dave, is you have no skin in a game with tremendous risk to the buyer and are placing yourself in a position to be questioned because you have tilted the game in the sellers favor (unless the guitar sounds and plays like a 30K martin, whatever that is). You know, maybe folks would scarf them up, if you actually had pictures, a youtube of one being played, and maybe a video of John Knowles stating that IHO it sounded like a 30K Martin. But what most folks fear is that you would have Moody saying it sounded like a 75.00 Silvertone(lol, sorry Paul).
You should expect this type of response when you bait a hook, in the manner in which you did. It is the age of internet shystering and I think everyone, at the least, knows someone that has been burnt by the "too good to be true" addage.
Posted 2014-06-24 12:57 PM (#488017 - in reply to #487926) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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Not to mention that you are willing to sell yours to finance an O. O's are great as we all know, but if this guy's guitars are so great that the dread sounds like a $30,000 Martin, why would you be selling your OM? Not as good as the dread, huh?
Posted 2014-06-24 1:23 PM (#488018 - in reply to #488017) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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And the previous owner of the luthiers guitar, that you now have, traded you for an Ovation... Not to mention that person has yet to endorse this luthiers product as being of the value you have associated with it
Posted 2014-06-24 2:32 PM (#488019 - in reply to #488018) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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Location: Fort Worth, TX
amosmoses - 2014-06-24 1:23 PM
And the previous owner of the luthiers guitar, that you now have, traded you for an Ovation... Not to mention that person has yet to endorse this luthiers product as being of the value you have associated with it
That would be dwgpreacher. I have emailed him and asked him to weigh in on this thread having met both the luthier and knowing me for fifteen years. Stay tuned. It's really funny, on the AGF I have yet to get the reaction I am here about these guitars. It seems some of you live to accuse.
Posted 2014-06-24 2:47 PM (#488021 - in reply to #487926) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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I have seen no photos of this guitar. And you haven't posted it on YouTube.
And someone traded it to you for an Ovation...
And you are thinking of selling it to buy an Ovation...
Post some pics or a video of your guitar.
Although that guitar might not be representative of the guitar anyone would receive.
I would just like to see this guitar you are raving about.
Posted 2014-06-24 3:14 PM (#488022 - in reply to #487926) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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After the "It seems some of you live to accuse" comment.... I don't think pictures will help.
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And... I'd bet the last thing members here want is to fall in line with the AFG forum.
Posted 2014-06-24 4:50 PM (#488025 - in reply to #488020) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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Brad Durasa - 2014-06-24 12:45 PM
Dave, Dave, Dave...
Please recall "The Rule of Holes".
It would come in handy right... about.... now.
The Rule of Holes????
And Jay, I deeply resemble that remark about the $75 Silvertone! I'm seriously thinking of trading my OFC slothead for one that a friend of a friend told me about and that it was equal to a $50 Snailor........
Posted 2014-06-24 5:49 PM (#488029 - in reply to #487926) Subject: RE: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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Pics... as requested...
If you want to see more pics of his other builds and reviews from new owners I suggest going to acousticguitarforum.com and searching for Jonathan Conant or Conant Guitar. As for the theory of him rebranding Chinese guitars... I can forward the emails of in progress build pics of a few of the guitars on AGF if it would ease your mind. I'm only following thru with these pics because of the requests. It appears I have all four remaining dreads sold as of a few hours ago.
Posted 2014-06-24 5:53 PM (#488030 - in reply to #488017) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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CanterburyStrings - 2014-06-24 12:57 PM
Not to mention that you are willing to sell yours to finance an O. O's are great as we all know, but if this guy's guitars are so great that the dread sounds like a $30,000 Martin, why would you be selling your OM? Not as good as the dread, huh?
Please tell me where I said it sounds as good as a Martin of any value? Reading for comprehension would reveal I said a luthier here told me the craftsmanship on the top bracing is as good as a thirty grans Martin.
Posted 2014-06-25 7:15 AM (#489040 - in reply to #487926) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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GUESS WHAT???!!! I got an email from a member here wanting the last of the five if the tentative buyer doesn't come through. The last thing I'd do is reveal who he is and let you all heap commensurate abuse on him. But at least ONE person might be getting an awesome guitar from a very experienced luthier for a third of its true vale. I should have known better than to post anything woodbox related here I will admit. You guys by and large have a bias completely tilted to O's... which I completely share. It's just in my case being on a lifetime disability income means I can't just run out and buy one whenever I want. Instead I have to sacrifice another guitar I may be very attached to, as I will soon do with Dr. Conant's OM I've had for a year. I don't want to bust up my Conant collection but I am jonesing for another O and have found an aged Balladeer special I want.
Posted 2014-06-25 7:32 AM (#489041 - in reply to #488031) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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merlin666 - 2014-06-24 6:05 PM
Is there a 12-string available in that 12-fret slothead format? Though the body looks odd and unbalanced with dreadnaught bottom and round shoulders.
I'm stumped by the "unbalanced" comment? It is a classic Gibson body style built from ancient Gibson blueprints but with the internal bracing done in the manner of Martins. It honestly is an awesome sounding guitar I've yet to be able to put down for a few months now. The two remaining unsold ones (at least at the time I posted this) have carpathian and Adi tops. I might keep one of thhose and sell my current one at a big discount to someone. Another thing about Dr. Conant. After he builds a guitar if it doesn't satisfy him in every way he commits it to a bandsaw. It has happened already on one I was waiting for for a buyer. No branding them as seconds. My only motive in posting this was to give somebody a chance to add a quality guitar to their stable for a third of its true vale.
Posted 2014-06-25 7:45 AM (#489043 - in reply to #487926) Subject: RE: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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Location: Fort Worth, TX
"In the past we have donated for guitars that were suppose to be ovations and wound up being other brands.
we have provided guitars for members in need that were not in need.
we have bought guitars for over value because a member was in need or ill or a family member was ill.
we supplied instruments for people that claimed they were musicians in need of instruments."
In that case Al, I'd like to submit my medical resume dwgpreacher can confirm when he gets around to replying to this thread and setting the record straight. I was declared totally disabled at age 58 while I still had all three of my kids in college. My income dropped by three fourths. Suddenly I was in extreme financial peril. I traded my only remaining O to dwgpreach for a 13 year old dread of Dr. Conant's based on the sound of the dread alone. Cosmetically it was very loaded with mojo. I am still facing the need for a 19th major surgery but am trying at all costs to avoid it because I spent six months in the hospital with horrendous complications from the last one and was unable to eat a single bite of food for a year afterwards, existing on IV nutrition. I couldn't even watch tv because food commercials literally drove me insane. I'm still flat broke and always will be and have been unable to finish helping my kids with their education expenses which makes me feel like a failure as their father.
Would I qualify for any help with obtaining another O? I find it unconscionable nobody you've helped before ever posted a follow up "thank you" or anything at all. I can assure you I am much more appreciative than that. Early on I had to learn to swallow my pride and LET people help me. As a self employed entrepreneur my whole life that went completely against my grain. A sign industry forum (the business I was in my whole life) raised over five grand for me following one surgery. I have yet to meet any of those people but was very humbled by their donation which literally helped me avoid what would have been the second foreclosure in my life because of my health. I'd take any Elite type guitar with the multi soundholes at any discount in price that could be offered. I feel like a fraud being on this forum now not in poseesion of an O.
If you're really feeling generous I absolutely loved the new prototype O's with the design change!
Posted 2014-06-26 9:50 AM (#489080 - in reply to #487926) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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Hey everybody! Its the Preacher, risen from the dead! Hope you are all well, and I've missed you. I have to admit I have been lurking a little, but the schedule doesn't allow me to play on these forums much any more.
I first picked up the Conant I traded to Dave at a used shop here in town, hanging on the wall next to half-a-dozen Taylors Martins and Gibsons, all tagged at significantly higher numbers. Picked a few up and played them, and this one blew them all away. Now, I will be the first to admit I'm an idiot, but that was my impression. Talked to the sales man and he admitted he knew almost nothing about the instrument, but, I quote "It's a really well-built guitar, and I think it would sell for closer to $1200 if it had a "label" on it." I bought the guitar, loved it, played it for a couple of years, had a chance to meet Dr. Conant at his house, sit down with another of his builds, see some other stuff he was working on, and I was VERY impressed.
Now about Dave: We were next door neighbors for years, played in a band together for years, did some business together. I consider him to be one of my very closest friends, and I cannot say I have EVER had an occasion to question his integrity. Yes, he does have a flare for the dramatic, but I would ask you to accept my opinion that you should never need to worry that he would do anything even remotely shady. If Dave is promising you a quality hand-built instrument (and honestly, I think $700 is damn cheap for what you would be getting) at a reasonable price, that is exactly what you will get.
I understand the no-refunds policy, because Dave is not a wealthy man and Dr. Conant is a bit on the eccentric side. I can absolutely understand that is a difficult pill to swallow, for someone who doesn't know Dave and hasn't seen one of Dr. Conant's guitars. And some of your comments are fair from that perspective. However, knowing the instrument, and Dave, as well as I do, I am sure you will find that is not an issue.
Here's my question, in the interest of stirring the bee's nest and all: Are any of you guys pissing all over Dave actually interested in checking out the product, or has this devolving thread just been a game of mud slinging for your own amusement?
Posted 2014-06-26 11:13 AM (#489085 - in reply to #487926) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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Boiled down...
Dave posts something he feels there might be a problem with.
Catching up after a busy guitar show weekend Al, the Roundback King of the Land, pretty much suggests the topic be dropped. No... he did not say it directly, but that's the feel I got.
Dave won't let it go.
He got the good doctors name out there. Mission accomplished. No need for the hard sell.
Posted 2014-06-26 11:24 AM (#489087 - in reply to #489085) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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Brad Durasa - 2014-06-26 11:13 AM
Boiled down...
Dave posts something he feels there might be a problem with.
Catching up after a busy guitar show weekend Al, the Roundback King of the Land, pretty much suggests the topic be dropped. No... he did not say it directly, but that's the feel I got.
Dave won't let it go.
He got the good doctors name out there. Mission accomplished. No need for the hard sell.
I am amazed at how someone who has never met me can so easily ascribe motives to me. The only "mission accomplished" is that this post has resulted in the impending sale of the last 12 fret dread to an OFC member. As for "not letting it go", I think it's called REPLYING to posts with questions asked which, if I'm not mistaken, is the normal SOP on internet forums. You seem to be the one incapable of letting it go and I'm predicting a swift rebuttal to that from you any second now.
Posted 2014-06-26 11:31 AM (#489088 - in reply to #487926) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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It is a beautiful guitar. I don't care so much for the slope-shoulders, but I like the slothead a lot. That houndstooth purfling is a Conant trademark, but the pearloid rosette is a little more flashy than his typical work. Dave probably didn't say this, but that Gold leaf logo is something Dave designed for Dr. Conant, shortly after they started talking. I see he has updated his label. Is that something you had a hand in, Dave?
Slipkid: Your comment makes a lot of sense, but the feeling I got was he felt his motives and integrity were being unfairly questioned. Honestly, I thought most of this forum was familiar enough with Dave that he would have been allowed a little more grace than that. And that does not make any of the comments on this thread invalid; if you don't know someone, it is always wise to vet them thoroughly before doing business with them.
Posted 2014-06-26 3:03 PM (#489096 - in reply to #489091) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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Brad Durasa - 2014-06-26 1:32 PM
unbelievable.
Makes me wonder why I ever came back here.
Go back to the post where I stuck up for Mr. Kell stating how sure I was of his honest intentions.
Seems like no good deed goes unpunished.
----click-----
You are correct. I reread the post by you. Please accept my apology for my comment pertaining to you. And Bob careful or I'll reveal you are indeed the OFC'r who is the impending sale of last one with Carpathian top.
Posted 2014-08-08 5:44 AM (#491189 - in reply to #487926) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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I feel compelled to mention that a member here is getting the opportunity to have the next slothead dread I have in my possession now for a mere $710. It is an awesome instrument in every way, and worth far more than the selling price Dr. Conant insists on. He refuses to make a profit from his builds which baffles me!. I hope the highly respected member here will out himself after receiving the guitar with a review of it on this thread to rub it in the face of the naysayers I encountered (said with no malice whatsoever).
Posted 2014-08-08 1:10 PM (#491206 - in reply to #487926) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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Dave, I actually look forward to hearing about this guitar and as I think I previously posted it may very well be a great guitar. I'm not going to pass judgement without first hand knowledge. The irony is that for the most part I think the members here are united in their distain for those who pass negative judgement on our Ovations simply because the back is made of plastic, WITHOUT ever playing or hearing one first hand. I'm going tobe a hypocrit are pass the same judgement on the Conant guitars.
You do have to keep in mind (and I'm sure you know this), teasing this crowd with a guitar like the Conant is like walking through a zoo and poking sticks at the animals in the cages. Yes, you'll get a reaction. Hell, look at the For Sale section of this forum ... you can't even sell a high quality Ovation or Adamas around here, so what do you think are the chances of selling a wooden guitar are?
I'm glad that somebody here took the leap and I look forward to hearing his/her opinion. Being a capitalist pig, I still have trouble wrapping my mind around somebody not wanting to profit from a good thing. Oh well.
Posted 2014-08-08 5:10 PM (#491215 - in reply to #487926) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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Okay!!! It was me. I bought it, alright already.
Quick review:
Playability- similar to a dobro, but I have been doing finger pushups for months in anticipation of this purchase
Construction- the hex head screws holding the neck to the body were slightly loose upon receipt, but with a little help from my cordless drill, all is now fine. Glue sheen on body is barely noticeable. Fake abalone is nearly lifelike. OMA paint job on headstock is his usual perfection. Don't know if oblong soundhole is intentional, but it has that "new" Ovation look to it.
Sound- tinny, as if it it's made from thin aluminum. Not a bad sound tho....better than a Fender acoustic.
Conclusions- worth every bit of the $71.00 I paid for it...........WAIT!!!!You charged me WHAT!??? $710.00!!!!! Get my lawyer on the phone NOW!!!
Posted 2014-08-09 2:18 AM (#491222 - in reply to #491215) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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darkbarguitar - 2014-08-08 5:10 PM
Okay!!! It was me. I bought it, alright already.
Quick review:
Playability- similar to a dobro, but I have been doing finger pushups for months in anticipation of this purchase
Construction- the hex head screws holding the neck to the body were slightly loose upon receipt, but with a little help from my cordless drill, all is now fine. Glue sheen on body is barely noticeable. Fake abalone is nearly lifelike. OMA paint job on headstock is his usual perfection. Don't know if oblong soundhole is intentional, but it has that "new" Ovation look to it.
Sound- tinny, as if it it's made from thin aluminum. Not a bad sound tho....better than a Fender acoustic.
Conclusions- worth every bit of the $71.00 I paid for it...........WAIT!!!!You charged me WHAT!??? $710.00!!!!! Get my lawyer on the phone NOW!!!
Actually darkbobar... YOU could own it now! The esteemed member of which I alluded to messaged me he didn't notice I said it was a 12 fret... he prefers 14. Doesn't matter tho. I have two of them now and four people who want them, mostly from the AGF crowd.
Posted 2014-08-09 5:58 PM (#491236 - in reply to #487926) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
Joined: January 2006 Posts: 1478
Location: Michigan
oh boy now you have done it............ pissed off al p. it has been a long time since al sent someone on a vacation...... this is the way that the old o.f.c. used to be free speech and allot of fun. jump in here bob and throw a little gas on the fire.............GWB
Posted 2014-08-10 2:25 AM (#491242 - in reply to #491236) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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Location: Fort Worth, TX
guitarwannabee - 2014-08-09 5:58 PM
oh boy now you have done it............ pissed off al p. it has been a long time since al sent someone on a vacation...... this is the way that the old o.f.c. used to be free speech and allot of fun. jump in here bob and throw a little gas on the fire.............GWB
The fact that al is a cantankerous, acerbic individual with a propensity for baiting forum members into "pissing off the host" wouldn't be so disturbing if he didn't have groupies such as yourself cheering him on.
Posted 2014-08-10 9:15 AM (#491245 - in reply to #491243) Subject: RE: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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DaveKell - 2014-08-10 7:16 AM
al S u c k my P i c k
By the way, Dave's picks are handmade by an aging ex-professor living in the woods of Saskatchewan who doesn't make them for profit. He simply makes them for the good of mankind (but gives them to Dave to sell for a slight profit to AFG members). The price of $39.75 each covers the wholesale cost and shipping charges. Suckability is guaranteed (but no refunds if not satisfied)
Posted 2014-08-10 2:46 PM (#491251 - in reply to #487926) Subject: RE: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
Joined: January 2006 Posts: 1478
Location: Michigan
cantankerous, acerbic individual with a propensity
that is way over my head but you are right , al has (groupies) i call them friends.
hell some of his groupies have taken his tee shirts around the world which was kinda cool . GWB.
hey stephen where did you hide my caps key , i still can't find it........
Posted 2014-08-11 4:05 AM (#491270 - in reply to #491254) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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Brad Durasa - 2014-08-10 4:30 PM
Dave...If you got anything else to say, you'd better get it in while you can.
It seems to me as if you are presuming to know whether al has a sense of humor or not. C'mon dude, he tells me to "get a job" and I say "suck my pick". I don't care who ya are, that right there is funny. Of course you may be right and my days are numbered, which I'm guessing is what you're pulling for. May I ask which soap opera on daytime tv you are hooked on? You are very certainly a fan of drama.
Posted 2014-08-11 4:08 AM (#491271 - in reply to #491255) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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darkbarguitar - 2014-08-10 5:16 PM
Brad Durasa - 2014-08-10 5:30 PM
Dave...If you got anything else to say, you'd better get it in while you can.
Shoot....we never did find out if he caught an STD from his night on the tour bus with Duane Allman
I give bob... you caught me and outed me. I had a menage with Duane and Gregg. The industrial duty STD is the reason I am totally disabled now. Maybe now you'll take pity on me and quit airing my dirty laundry for the 60k people to see who have been to this forum?
Posted 2014-08-29 6:34 AM (#493778 - in reply to #493770) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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darkbarguitar - 2014-08-28 9:20 PM
No offense to Lake Sagamaton, but who the hell is HE?
Not good conduct in business to name those you do biz with. I would also add that one of the people he had appraise the guitar for him, the one with totally positive comments, is a name any guitar player in the world would recognize. This buyer is friends with a very famous artist who is the one who said the guitar I sold for a little over $700 should have sold for $2,500. (By the way, I just found out from Dr C there is yet one more of the series coming to me in a couple of weeks).
Posted 2014-08-29 7:55 AM (#493781 - in reply to #493780) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
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Waskel@Work - 2014-08-29 7:42 AM
DaveKell - 2014-08-29 4:34 AMNot good conduct in business to name those you do biz with.
And yet you did in the AFG post....
I have to admit this time I did not quite get the gist of bob's comment. My comment about not discussing who you do business with comes from forty years as a sign company owner. It could hardly be avoided on AGF could it since I was replying to the original poster. Besides, what special meaning does the revelation have for you?
Posted 2014-08-29 8:17 AM (#493783 - in reply to #487926) Subject: Re: Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
Joined: September 2003 Posts: 9301
Location: south east Michigan
So Dave, now you admit it is an actual business.
I'm so tired of this.
I'm tired of all the mystery and intrigue. Unnamed OFC members, wealthy benefactors sending you a free amp, PMs of support from OFC members who remain in the shadows, and most recently the "famous" artist.
Nothing illustrates just how much the OFC has changed that you can rudely call out Al in one post and in the next tell him to "Suck my pic" without any response Miles or Al or even one of the mini-mods.
Maybe you should ask Al to pin this thread to the top so you won't have to keep bumping it.
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In one way the OFC has remained the same. We always seem to have our own "Glenn Hess".
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Great Price on Luthier Built Woodboxes...
