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Location: SoCal | Years ago, Serge Lara sold me his Country Artist. A couple of months ago, Serge wanted the CA back. We traded for his dark sunburst Legend, FET pre-amp, in excellent condition, great set-up, etc.
From the specs, basically a Custom Legend with out the abalone.
EM me if interested: ascalman 'at' aol. | |
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Location: Tennessee | You need to post a price, Tony.
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Location: SoCal | $800 with good brown case $800 (buyer resonsible for shipping, paypal if used, customs if international); if international, seller reserves the right to decline sale.
$750 with very good black 9158 case (buyer resonsible for shipping, paypal if used, customs if international); if international, seller reserves the right to decline sale.
$725 with very good black 6158 case (buyer resonsible for shipping, paypal if used, customs if international); if international, seller reserves the right to decline sale.
Trade may be accepted.
Pictures will be provided and posted (if I can figure out how).
Frankly, I do not see any chips, scratches, cracks, etc. | |
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Location: SoCal | Okay, finally figured out that we could post an album/gallery on the OFC. Pic's are in my OFC Album as well as on my Facebook album:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=626557584081780&l=9bbf168255...
There are a couple of 'smudges' (best term I could use as they are not chips in finish or wood) on the right side of the headstock as if caused by a capo or tuner exerting pressure. Other than that, I can not see any chips, cracks, etc. Hard to see but set up for Dunlop strap locks.
So, as previously posted:
$800 with good brown case $800 (buyer resonsible for shipping, paypal if used, customs if international); if international, seller reserves the right to decline sale.
$750 with very good black 9158 case (buyer resonsible for shipping, paypal if used, customs if international); if international, seller reserves the right to decline sale.
$725 with very good black 6158 case (buyer resonsible for shipping, paypal if used, customs if international); if international, seller reserves the right to decline sale.
Trade may be accepted. | |
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Location: Des Moines, Iowa | Tony, I wish you had some pictures with a bit more... vibrancy and detail in them. I'm kind of a sucker for those old Legends, especially those made in the 70's. At that price it would be very helpful to have photos that show the shine, the sheen, and the absence of any cracks or blemishes.
Little too much money for me and you didn't mention the year of manufacture, which the serial number should reveal (see the F.A.Q. section on how to "Crack the Code."). | |
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Location: Jet City | Hey Tony, any idea on the bracing on that one? Depending on the year it could be VT or A | |
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Location: SoCal | Damon, serial is 1241xx which would be late '77 and before May '78. Can't find my dental mirror to check it out (no, not a dentist). Serial would reflect that it is a VT with (if I remember correctly), the 'A' was 1980 and later.
It plays like an 'A' with strong balanced projection, yet subtle with resonance. As you know, I have a lot of 'A' braced to compare it with. Will find the mirror and get back to you but I am in the middle of my taxes. | |
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Location: Jet City | In my experience, the VT braced guitars are straight up cannons. They have what only Mark In Boise, the wordsmith that he is paid to be, could coin, "The Ovation sound".
It's the bracing to have if you want to get out in front of your woodbox, bluegrass playin', time hoggin' friends.
The A seems warmer/mellower to me.
If I were to compare the two to kelvin temperatures, the vt is a daylight bulb in the 6500k range, the A is warmer... around 2700
I've had and like both. I wish I still had the old VT braced 1117, but it lives in Italy now with Riccardo.
That one is very tempting.
Edited by Damon67 2014-02-19 6:29 PM
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Location: SoCal | Tony, if it's VT braced (VT11?) then you can see around the sound hole the braces slanting off away from each other, not parallel to each other. with A bracing, you'll see three sides of a square -- the sides and then across the bottom of the soundhole parallel to the bridge. | |
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Location: SoCal | VT-11, no parallel bracing as would be found on the 'A'; also matches the serial 1241xx matching late 1977 and prior to April 1978. Ovation Archives show 'A' but I believe that did not occur intil 1980.
Hard to believe the condition for a 36-37 year old guitar.
Edited by Tony Calman 2014-02-20 12:43 AM
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Location: Tuscany, Italy | Damon, the 1117 is here and it's a cannon. Also the tone is wonderful, at least to my ears...
Jump on that one to quench the seller remorse .. 
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Location: Des Moines, Iowa | Hmmmm... I'm going to have to see what type of bracing my Legend 1617 uses. I guess you don't know what you don't know until you know you don't.
I do know my Legend 1617 was made in 1979, per the "Crack the Code" listing AND because it's the same year my 1651 Legend Ltd. was made. Now the basic information from Ovations archive on both of those models just says "Ovation A" for bracing and that's the same thing the archive info states for my 2001-year USA-made 1867 Legend. Only my new 1868 Elite lists something different for the bracing pattern/type - "Quintad."
Damon, I like your use of the Kelvin temperature scale to describe the difference in sounds between the bracing, which I don't believe that was what Lord Kelvin had in mind when he created his absolute temperature scale, but I totally get your use of it in terms of sound "warmth."
Thanks for sharing the knowledge and giving us newbie amateurs nice little gems to explore in both sight AND sound. I knew about the different bracing patterns and common sense suggests the sound will be different for each, but what I'm wondering is where do you find out if different patterns were used during different years? In other words, Ovations info just says "Ovation A" for ALL model 1617 guitars, but I'm guessing that maybe that's not entirely true.
If that's not true, then are there other models where the bracing wasn't always the same? Where can a person find a reference for this information?
You'll have to excuse me for butting in, but I'm really enjoying the process of soaking up the Ovation knowledge. I've been an Ovation acoustic guitar lover for a LONG time, but it's only been kind of recently that I've been getting serious Ovation Guitar Collecting Fever.
Speaking of guitars, collecting, and fevers, I meant to ask one of the more experienced folks here... what's GAS? I'm assuming it's an acronym with G=guitar, but the rest?
And again... sorry for butting in... as I said before, if I get out of line.. just slap me a couple of times and I'll figure it out....
Cause after all, I'm just a...
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Location: Des Moines, Iowa | Oh.... and if what you said is right about the A bracing not being until 1980, then I've got two Legends that are that VT bracing. Unfortunately one is at the Luthiers and my son has the other one, so I can't do the visual inspection suggested.
The one at the Luthiers is supposed to be finished soon (crack repair and bridge replace) and I might just call up my son and have him look inside the 1651 from 1979. | |
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Location: SoCal | Not a brag as others have a lot more but I currently have 61 (Ovation, Adamas, Celebrity (Palm tree KOA), Takamine, Gibson, Martin, Fender, Wurlitzer 12 str, etc.
Adamas are all textured tops to include #50 pre-production slothead, 1687's, 47RI, and the 1688 12-string (exception is the CVT Millennium). Ovation includes mostly 6 & 12 Custom Legend ('A' braced, AAA spruce or bearclaw). Exceptions are guitars such as the 2009C KOA 'A' brace and 1776 Patriot, the pre-production 1537, Elite 'Garris' prototype 1718-X, two 1624-4 Country Artist, a number of Collectors (1984, 1987, 1997, 2001, 2005, 2006. and 2009) Shiny bowl Deluxe Balladeer and Balladeer small hole 12-str. A 1968-69 Glen Cambell Artist (unknown bracing). Plus some 6 & 12 str solid bodies and Storm series.
Martin includes 1980 D-25K2, HE-28VS, D12-45 12-STR.
Takamine includes CP132SC, TEV360SC, EF417S, 45TH ANNIV, EF75J (Brazilian), 2010 Ltd Miayabi (3 of them), 2011 Ltd Iki, JJ325SRC-12 12-Str.
Banjo, Uke's, and MM68 mando.
Four amps from 30w to 260w.
GAS refers to GUITAR ACQUISITION SYNDROM...easy to get caught up 'in the hunt'. Hurts to sell.
Yet, I have sold or traded 48 guitars. Need to control my 'GAS' and maybe five out before I bring one in.
So, at this time, as they all sound and play great, I don't really care what the bracing is, whether center hole or Elite...condition, bowl type and size, quality of top, acoustic or a/e is all I look for. Really don't care if 1 11/16 or 1 3/4 neck. I am blessed with a diverse group of guitars. As most of them are on the wall or stands (with AX Jackets), my only curses are where to put the many cases and restringing them. | |
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Location: Jet City | Slb, the 1117 and 1617 started off with VT bracing, then moved to A somewhere around the '79-'80 timeframe. The other Legends (custom, anniversary, limited) always had A
The other thing I like about these pre-'81 Legends is the neck. It's a much slimmer profile than the neck with the Kaman bar.
As for where to find all this info, well... I think that's where you are now
And I'll take it one further since it doesn't stop with just 'guitar'... GAS=Gear Acquisition Syndrome
Sorry for jumpin all over your thread Tony. I love and lust after that beauty, but the guitar fund is dry right now. I'll shuddup now.
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Location: California | Wow Tony, nice group of guitars. Would love to see and play the pre-production 1537 and the 1688 Adamas. | |
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Location: SoCal | Damon,
Always welcome. This is a colaberative effort...the strengh of the OFC. | |
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Location: SoCal | Damon,
We all learned from the years past...sad that they rarely post with their wisdom.
Edited by Tony Calman 2014-02-21 8:28 PM
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